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this is how the doj works... they are seeing which docs they can release...it wasn't just one released, it was 9 I believe.

QUOTE (Texsox @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 02:04 PM) Ask Japan about what should, and should not be, options. In a world where in one moment we could kill hundreds of thousands of humans, and destroy ecosystems for hundreds of years, losing our right to Rush Limbaugh and the New York Times, seems rather small. oh PLEASE 9/11 was likely the worst tragedy that has ever happened to America by an outside source, considering all civilians. BUT, it was not war. We did not have an invading army in the country fighting a war against us, we did not have a rebellion uprising, we were not even in a military battle against another country.. There were no troop movements to report or any precedent that SCOTUS has historically provided for when suspending the 1st amendment is allowed. The media even tacitly complied with not being to critical of the government in self-censorship. It seems rather HUGE to me, to lose everything the country fought for because of a huge power opportunity came into play for our central government, when no mobile consistent threat was among us. If Japan entered our shores in WWII, I could see complete pre-censorship of media being reasonable, but as it is, a terrorist attack is not a reason to throw out our constitution, the mere allusion that it could seems absolutely, absolutely absurd.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 01:59 PM) I think we all get what is on GW's permanent record by now, and those of us who don't get it will never get it whether that be through ignorance or stupidity. The Obama administration claimed they wouldn't play the blame game and do business as usual in Washington, yet that's exactly what they're doing. Rather than coming up with solutions to the problems, reassuring the American people and moving forward, they point back and resurrect the ghost of Christmas past in GW Bush on what seems to be a daily basis. It's getting old now, nay...it's beyond old now. Move us forward, move us onward...and stop pointing out the obvious failures of the Bush administration. For those who get it, no explanation is necessary. For those that do not get it, no explanation will do. no offense, but they've proposed a large spending package, are working on unfreezing the credit markets, working on reforming health care, trying to bring in Iran and get moving on greener energy... and meanwhile they haven't supported the senate hoping to do truth commissions of the Bush administration or sought to remove executive privilege from karl rove cases. Yet they release documents that people have been asking for for years and the government has nor real reason to keep hidden, and they are not proposing any solutions and 'looking back instead of looking forward' For historical purposes, its important to have actual information out there, not just the memories of the people who lived through it that "just knew what he was doing".

QUOTE (iamshack @ Mar 4, 2009 -> 06:23 AM) I'll be interested to see if they put him back in that "multiple arm angles" mode again. I much prefer he just throw over the top, as I think his pure stuff is far more devastating that way, despite it only coming from one arm angle. I partly agree, but partly don't know the answer. For sure that forkball is ruthless when he throws it over the top, but I can't get out of my mind the success he had when Duque told him to "throw like a Cuban again"... perhaps it gives him a psychological edge. Like, if his stuff isn't there on a day, he can use different arm angles to fool.

Gulf Mill Ford was pretty good, too. Now do like Stu and you'll see too Push it Pull it Tow it to gulf mill ford

hahaha

my favorite was when the guy crashed because of some hideous girl on the sidewalk he was oogling.

sounds like someone who should go down to St. Louis.

Where are the intellectuals of this conservative group? Where are the Buckley's? Surely there are brilliant people people in this country that believe in small government and strong defense, is there not a one who can create a platform that isn't antagonistic and fear-mongering? I mean, of conservative writers...I respect David Brooks...uh, alright done.

QUOTE (longshot7 @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 09:36 PM) Christ, there's a lot to reply to here. You can like or dislike Nirvana's music, HOWEVER there are probably like 10 artists that changed "rock and roll" music in earth-shattering, fundamental ways, and they are one of them. To deny this (whether you were there or not - and if you weren't, and don't know how important they were, I'm sorry for you) is to not know the history of rock music in the US. I'm sorry if this offends, but it's true. and, again, I just think it says a lot about that generation that they let an average rock band change the face of music.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 07:35 PM) In what way? I agree that it was way over the top and historically inaccurate, but those were some of its intentions. I never read 300 the graphic novel, I just remember the battle being taught to me in class. And in the battle, they fight until their spears break, swords dull, and go hand to hand until the very end. That's badass to me, at least that's how it was taught to me. So, it was very anti-climactic for me, when after fighting all these mythical creatures and s***, what takes them down after 2 days of fighting is a bunch of flipping arrows.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 07:35 PM) That's fair enough. I'm only questioning the validity of accepting that you can value a piece music more than you should because of a personal significance (prom song, first kiss song, etc.) while not accepting you can do the same based on historical significance. It's not a dichotomy I can say I share. It can, but only if that historical significance means something to you... I don't really care about the early 90s problems because it has no reference point for me. If I used to always listened to the Stones with my dad and he'd tell me about how he went to monterey and stuff, then that historical significance might lead to a sentimental significance.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 06:00 PM) To be honest I have no idea if people are talking about this out in the media. well for it to be a useful tactic of 'dumping' a document to get peoples minds off of the economy, don't you think they'd dump it and publicize it? Otherwise it's the worst tactic ever.

QUOTE (FlaSoxxJim @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 05:55 PM) I don't agree with that. I definitely will preferentially view certain bands, musical trends or forms, etc. in a different light if they represent an historical antecedent to something of musical significance or something I connect with. That's probably not a great thing to admit from the standpoint of unbiased listening, but curiosity over those historical precursors has led me to some really wonderful things. Let me try to give an example. As a teenager listening to and reading all things Hendrix, I kept running into references to an early electric jazz guitarist named Charlie Christian and it made me seek out his stuff which I ended up loving. Now I could have randomly encountered Barney Kessel or Tal Farlow without knowing about Christian or that their styles were very much predicated on that of Charlie. And the stuff I've heard from them is quite good, but because Christian was the pioneer I hold him in higher esteem even if they are all technical near-equals and even though I wasn't around to experience any of this first-hand. So, here's a case where history is really what dictates hoe I view Christian relative to the others. Years later I became aware that Christian was really one of the pioneers that help forged the style that became bepop, so I feel entirely vindicated by letting an established historical significance guide a lot of my digging into music that predates me. but that's leading you to discovery, not enjoyment. I probably found the beatles because of their significance, but I don't think you can trick your mind into enjoying something just because of that. I may have *found* woody guthrie because of his influence on other musical acts I've enjoyed, but I couldn't trick myself into liking him, I just did. Though I'm well aware of can and neu's influence on LCD soundsystem's sound of silver, I can't listen to neu!, i just don't have it in me. I can hear the correlation, I can, just don't enjoy it all that much. I know robert johnson had quite an influence on everyone, but I never want to put on robert johnson. I can understand its importance, but it's not like i'm gonna throw it on just for significance. Music is about its affect on my life, and the bands that have affected me, not who have affected them.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 06:42 PM) To be fair Terror Twilight came out in 1999, which is a lot more recent than In Utero. I liked The Eraser by Thom, not as good as the Radiohead stuff but I enjoyed it. I was off on my dates anyways, I don't think S&E dropped until 92, crcr 94? wowee zowee 95

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 05:54 PM) Look at his ratings and tell me exactly how "respected" he is. Whether you like him or not, a LOT of people follow the guy and heed his advice. If you'd rather I could big up Warren Buffet's statement to his Berkshire shareholder instead. to be honest, yeah, it just kind of reinforces that people SHOULD follow jim cramer because he screams and blows whistles and gives out bad info. I'd find WB's much more interesting.

QUOTE (DukeNukeEm @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 06:49 PM) To an extent, sure. But we all know Bush didn't really care much about these kind of rights to begin with and this just reinforces that notion. It's kinda s***ty of Obama to just release this memo the day after the dow drops below 7000. Oh please, he's a month into office, the DOJ reports came out YESTERDAY, as it was falling, it takes time to release classified documents, and these stories never find legs anyways. Is any news outlet talking about this? Do you remember in August when a commission basically said the Bush admin KNEW they were cooking up WMD info definitively and not a single media company reported on it? People have Bush fatigue, it doesn't mean you keep info that shouldn't be kept just to try and get a wedge that doesn't get wheels anyways. Gibbs didn't even bring it up in press, the only thing people are talking about right now is Iran and AIG.

naw I disagree. It would have been a terrible precedent to indeed say to all future presidents that everything you do can permanently be done behind the scenes. As with South America but to a far lesser degree, sometimes you need to air all the dirty laundry to heal and move on.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 06:24 PM) I'm worried Count is going to tear that thing again, although that comes from not knowing much about the injury in general. It just cant be very common for 40 year olds to recover three months early from a devastating injury without either chemical assistance or the hand of god. I've thought about that...I'd like to hear from ptatc, but the fact that it's a tendon and not a muscle makes me wonder whether it functions the same.

haha, writing a memo that justified torture is not enough?

is there record when domains are sold between two parties?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 3, 2009 -> 06:00 PM) There was one of them in Boston a few hundred years ago. that's not what I meant, is there a high probability that these web domains would be bought in August out of the sheer coincidence that this phrase is often used to show rebellion by, say, conservatives in a dem. administration. Honestly, what are the odds on that, it doesn't make sense.

Why is John Yoo still employed?

That seemed to be more of a response to Gibbs besides the first question. Has this 'tea party' thing been a common phrase? Is there a history to it? Because it's too strange of a coincidence for all that stuff to happen.

You are confusing something, with music there is a heavy sentimental value that can make music you normally wouldn't find as good to be much better. But I don't think there is the same for historical significance. I really don't think about how the Beatles saved America from the Beach boys in 63, or what it was like to have a band that big at the time. I think, man, this music is pretty good. I don't think I could ever like Pavement as much as someone who was around in 89 when slanted and enchanted dropped, but I really enjoy their music now, one of my favorite bands. But with Nirvana, I wasn't there (in a way) and I don't really care that much about their music, I'm not saying it's bad and I'm embarrassed it existed, but I don't have nirvana on my computer and I won't listen to it. Historical appreciation doesn't lend itself to music well. In fact, I kind of resent them more because that whole generation allowed their youth culture to get so easily packaged up and sold back to them. Like if Urban outfitters was Walmart.