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I thought that cleanup already occurred?

I wish I could enjoy how hilarious it is Jerry is trying to do this song and dance as his team becomes a national embarrassment... But if it was another team, like if I lived in Seattle, I may very well see the team tanking as he does this as an indicator he wants permission from MLB to leave for lack of support.

Yeah, esp. with rule 5 and waivers. Bailey horn just looks like he sucks, but I do find it funny that we were selling some of this excess bullpen help in April. I haven't quite figured out whether Bannister/Katz. I do think the work with starters has been interesting, and possibly good. BUt - we also put probably the most effort into organizational starting pitching in the last 8 months. So is it that they developed pitching strongly enough to pull our farm top 10, or that we traded and drafted some really nice pitching prospects. The bullpen has been atrocious though, and I am inclined, as you, to say that's scouting and talent. Some luck. Katz seems to work best with super stuff type pitchers with bad control and making it work just enough. Well, Leasure was the one stuff guy they found. And they didn't do good work with Kopech. So I don't know what to think. I'm not quite sure I understand if Bannister Katz is actually better than an average group in the rest of the mlb. And the sox really, really, really need to find something they are elite at.

Exactly, 85% of the league is thinking either "We can't be the red sox, so we have to be more like the rays" or "what if we were the rays, but with a $400 million budget"? Meanwhile the white sox and rockies are thinking "we aren't the yankees because they spend too much, let's put a nice, modest product on the field. Get that damn spreadsheet out of my face"

except his scouts were good. The big scene where he throws a chair in moneyball the book they tried to get him to draft jeremy bonderman who had a major league career and a 200 strikeout year that took tigers to world series.

woops, forgot to add. All the gasps at great value at the deadline - but it was extremely noticeable that those always included top pitching prospects. It's why I was dumb enough to be wait and see with Vargas, as it at least was a position prospect.

Yes, this is the most concerning part. Maybe we hit really well on this group of pitchers and find a dynamic group of Crochet, Schulz, Smith, and find 2 of Thorpe/Iriarte/Bush/Martin/etc as a great starting 5... Well seattle is leading the league in ERA and is 70-70. Granted that is...37 games above us. But given we have had a year of our hitting prospects shedding their hype, I think it's going to be brutal stacking enough offense together.

Robert also seemed like he would net an all-time haul last winter. Now he's on the verge of being "we'd be lucky to get out of that salary". Worried he's the next Jackie Bradley Jr. Our try-hard prospects have come up and been throwing up 50 wRC+ seasons. No bueno!

I don’t understand this response. His post is about Luhnow in St. Louis, where he was crucial to the 2011 WS team. His 2009 draft class also was hugely responsible for their 2013 WS run. A bit better resume than Getz heading in.

Congrats to Marco Paddy, who pioneered the quiet quitting trend.

I was watching some commentary on Dabo Swinney and how coaches like that that build a program and let it slip away (I think the demise of clemson is a little overrated, personally, but obviously the decline has been real). They talked about how those coaches hang on too long to what they think college football should be rather than adjusting to what it is. It is very on the nose to Reinsdorf. For 30 some years, since 94 I'd say, he's run the team based on how he thinks baseball should be run. And, miraculously, in 2005 it worked where spreading money around on veterans was better than signing a giambi. But it has continued to crumble as 2nd contract vets have been the worst value there is. Yet he still thinks that is better than paying amateurs, because I'm sure Joe Borchard or something. You could hear it in his voice with Getz. Oh he'll be hard on the guys to actually do the fundamentals, unlike those other teams just looking at spreadsheets. Yet those teams are so much more fundamentally sound than ours. They don't understand modern baseball at all, or how to run a team. He just knows he doesn't like it and wants to believe he knows a better way. Maybe this year, being such an embarrassment, could shake him out of it. But I doubt it. It sure has shaken me though, jesus christ this is embarrassing.

i don't know. 2007-2013 mariners seem like a dream compared to what i'm expecting.

He has been a field coordinator since 2018. One of the many instructors that Getz hired, has done nothing to show value, and gets promoted anyway. "We don't tell him, we do drills, he's done these drills, not sure why it isn't working!?" This is a great quote from clearly a very good professional baseball coach.

DJU is just atrocious. That interception has got to be a top 5 worst decision I've seen a qb make up there with the orlovsky safety. I'm excited for Mizzou, but week 1 made me nervous. Even vandy looked good. Gonna be a brutal schedule this year.

sorry i just needed to add this article here. My threads are important artifacts to pass onto the future generations. https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2024/09/03/sisson-white-sox-not-giving-up-on-lenyn-sosa

I’d also say we spent a ton of our resources adding pitching prospects. So is it that much better or did we just get a lot more pitchers? Regardless Janish absolutely sucks.

God bless you all

I read that article and was confused because he made it seem like they were respectable, noted they didn't offer either top prospect, and then mentioned a pitching prospect that got injured. Oh and the flaherty deal people thought was light.

That doesn’t mean they learned their lesson

Hey we've tried extremely qualified and unqualified and tbh not sure it makes a difference. I'll take playing experience, grady seems happy and nice. I'm not sure getting some manager from an org that has a real front office will help. I'm extremely concerned now that our opening will attract lazy grifters that see a sweet gig where you don't have to do anything except kiss ass and get to wear a uniform for 7 months and then a sweet vacay.

Well honestly I think some of it is he had a high floor because of his plus command. We are throwing around #4 derisively but also I’d be pretty surprised if he’s not a longer term pitcher in the league. But his upside is there for more, it’s just it was a “we’ll see if this extremely outlier approach can work at that level.”

Not put a retired person as head of international.

my point was also that lopez in particular was a $4 million roster decision that was easy to say you could put to better use. He was often referred to when they traded to the sox as a likely non-tender candidate. There isn't just Profar, he was just an example of hitting a home run with that. There are a lot of, especially relief, options that signed for less than Nicky, literally why I put the list. Lots of small signings. At the margins, Getz got crushed.

Yes, they brought in guys, and they have been below replacement. Because the white sox are worse at this than other teams. A lot of other teams used their resources more wisely than Chris Getz. ANd his team is historically bad. At each step along the way, when the sox had a decision to make on what players to keep, let go, change, they made the wrong choice nearly every time except for Paul Dejong and Eric Fedde.

you gotta nail those moves or else it doesn't matter. I'm not sure Eder gets you more than Burger right now.