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I'm drawing a blank, what else is up there for MOTY if we're just talking about under the WWE umbrella? Zayn-Nakamura, Zayn-Owens at the last ppv and one of the Styles-Reigns matches? I know I'm missing one or two or twelve.

Also watch the Ibushi-Alexander match from the CWC last night if you haven't.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) Hearing Orton to Raw in trade for Owens and Cesaro may be in the works. Foley should get fired for that deal. And Bryan would have redeemed himself with one trade. Still real to me.

Alright Soxtalk, we buying this stupid franchise or what?

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Is it possible to make this a temporarily sub forum so we can have threads for each sport? There are just so many sports going on all at the same time I want to be able to find my swimming and volleyball chat easily. I'm not sure the sub forum is completely necessary but definitely feel free to make your own threads for the different sports, I'm sure you'll get some chatter.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 3, 2016 -> 02:24 PM) . Openly rooting for your team to lose is just flat out disgusting. This is super silly.

Those are pretty cool. If I were an Illini fan I'd be all over this.

I can't stand Eva but the voice over in her entrance is the best thing ever. And this is also a perfect gimmick for her if they're just going to have her come out and fake injuries for a while, pretty genius actually. The Styles-Cena stuff was great, the only problem I have with it is that it's basically every Cena story in every Cena feud but whatever, still well done. Ziggles and Ambrose were both great tonight too. When Dean gets serious he's still fantastic on the mic and Ziggler with an edge is much better than whatever the f*** he's been the last few years. I'm at least a little interested in that feud now, compared to not at all like how I was at the end of last week.

We need to find room for Ranaudo in the rotation for the rest of the season. The odds of him being anything are slim but I'd like to give him a 2 month try out and see what he's got in that short sample size.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 04:49 PM) And that'll totally fix everything! A friend of mine is a huge Mets fan, but doesn't spend his time on message boards b****ing about how the Wilpons screwed his team by getting into bed with Madoff. He's had to focus his energy on the adult aspects of life, such as getting laid off and dealing with a child who has vision problems due to a birth defect. You could probably focus your energy on something other than telling people how to be a fan as well.

That sucks, I was actually looking forward to this one. DC gonna DC I guess.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:51 PM) So if the Sox would have made it to a play in game as the 5th playoff team last year and lost 12-0, not making a trade yesterday for whatever they could get would not have been the blunder it now is. *Sigh* Yup, you nailed it. You win.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) The same as most teams. I know White Sox fans are owed more than any other fanbase, but what you are arguing is 'why would they try to win?" You haven't made the playoffs in 8 years. Quit trying to win" Lose, lose, lose. Get a bunch of prospects. It's fool proof, and don't hold out for the best price. Just take what you can get. Since 2006, there's literally 5 teams including the Sox who don't have at least 2 playoff appearances. Two of those are the Blue Jays and Astros who can get out of that category this season. But yes, we're just entitled morons who can't see this awesome product that the organization has given us for the last decade!

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 2, 2016 -> 02:16 PM) When the Pirates rebuilt, they went 20 consecutive seasons without winning 80 games. Sure, the Sox can trade all of their good players for prospects, but how does that guarantee the team is better, let alone "fixed" ready to be in the playoffs 4 or 5 years in a row? Until we know what exactly was offered for White Sox players, I am a guy who can't say they made a mistake not trading them. There was a poster yesterday who said the return on any of these players had nothing to do with it. I think it has everything to do with it. They can still be traded, or maybe they won't. Until then, we have to watch Q and Sale pitch instead of a guy like Volstad. We have to watch Melky hit instead of a guy like Coats. We have to watch Robertson and less of lesser pitchers. I really don't have a problem with it. I will judge the team next year next year, not now. If they half ass it again, I'm with you, but I think they have learned their lesson. They are either going big or dealing guys away. I also wouldn't be surprised if a player or 2 is dealt this month. Maybe that will ease some pain. The Sox could get another Leury Garcia or 2 and the rebuild will be well underway. You know why I can say they made a mistake? Because that's all they've done for a decade now. You and anyone else can take the wait and see approach but I've been waiting and seeing for 11 f***in years now and I know exactly how this turns out.

I loved the opening segment. It was stupid and really made no sense but I thought it was super fun. But just like anything with Enzo I get if its not someone's thing.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 05:33 PM) Regardless of everything that transpired "mired in mediocrity" was a misstep. Ya but think of the strides we already made, now we're middle of the pack with some special talent. Pretty big turn around.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 04:36 PM) FYI - FutureSox probably wouldn't rank Tilson #5 Gotta be somewhere between 6 and 8, no?

QUOTE (Baron @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:59 PM) Bruce Levine ‏@MLBBruceLevine 39s39 seconds ago Hahn - On fans reaction . We have special talent here so there is a lot of frustrating feelings about our record https://twitter.com/MLBBruceLevine/status/760218060477370368 We're going for it guys They shouldn't even pretend that they're going to be sellers...ever. 2017 offseason is going to be a lot like this last one.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:33 PM) Maybe, would be nice to hear it confirmed. I still believe this front office went into this whole thing knowing full well they weren't going to trade any of this key pieces and made sure no offer would be good enough I hate that I believe this but that's exactly what I think happened too.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) I feel like I'm experiencing an alternate reality or something. You guys are acting like this team is 20 games under .500 and has a bunch of pending free agents. Again, I understand the opinion that the team should rebuild, but I don't understand why everyone is acting like it's unbelievable that they aren't selling. It's very believable. They didn't "blow" anything, they just made a different decision than you wanted. Because we all have years of history on our side to tell us that this plan isn't going to work, I mean it's really that simple at this point.

I can unfortunately never detach myself from this stupid organization because I love them so much but holy f*** do I hate them right now.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 03:06 PM) I don't understand the bafflement. I get that you guys think they should blow it up, but why are you shocked that they aren't? They're a .500 team with all of their core players controlled next year. They just decided to keep trying to build and win. I'm not saying it's the RIGHT decision, but it's not a confusing one either. I don't think anyone is baffled by it(I think a lot of us kind of expected it) but some of us are certainly pissed about it. It didn't work this year so lets go ahead and do the same thing again that hasn't worked in a f***in decade now.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:33 PM) Why not around one of the B's plus Benitendi or Moncada plus Swihart, etc? It can be both and depending on the B, you are still getting a ton of long-term value. Plus, I think part of this change is more realizing we can develop pitching and not position talent, so it is more retooling the club around position players, hoping we can leverage our historical strength's to rebuild the rotation. Bradley and Betts are both having better seasons than Sale, are both still on their rookie contracts and are both under control longer than Chris, we're not going to get one of them plus Moncada or Benintendi plus more.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Aug 1, 2016 -> 02:34 PM) That is an opinion. I get your stance, but you don't trade Q and Sale unless you get what you want, and so long as you have those dudes, you may as well try to compete. Which is a proven failure with this organization.

Looks like Beltran is going to Texas, not sure for what yet.