SleepyWhiteSox

Thank goodness for sportsline, finally gets something right... But damn, woulda been nice to see pacific pull it out.

Better safe then sorry, I guess.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Mar 16, 2006 -> 01:20 PM) It's not even doing anything for me. What a bust. Halftime maybe?

QUOTE(YASNY @ Mar 15, 2006 -> 01:26 PM) This might reduce our illegal immigration problem.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 04:50 PM) How about "There's no f***ing 'S' in my last name?" Nah, too long...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 02:22 PM) Where did I claim that. You claimed the opposite so show me some proof. I am not making the accusations here, you are. Ok, lemme go run over and grab the Ellis Island documents from the early 1900s right now...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 02:18 PM) You doubt, or you know for a fact? Let me know and show me some information and the numbers. Thank you. So your claim is that each and every one came here legally? There are illegal Irish immigrants here today...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:58 PM) And they do that because it is illegal correct? Weren't the Irish coming over legally? Not all. Once quotas were met, it was illegal to enter. I doubt that stopped them.

QUOTE(J-MAN @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:52 PM) Sounds like an awfull risk but depends on what they gave up for him. Did I hear 2nd-round pick?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:21 PM) The bulls*** has been instigated by you. YOU played the race card. You brought it up. It was unneccesary to do that. But you did. Now your playing the victim. Oh woah is me and all this bulls*** people keep bringing up. You started it and now you are upset because you have to deal with it. Plain and simple, you shouldn't have brought it up. lol...

QUOTE(ChiSoxFan @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:12 PM) Dre Day is the song. s***, so he's shooting a Sox fan?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:15 PM)

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:11 PM) I love the "rite of passage" that is being brought up in argument. "Well back in the civil war days..." Who gives a rats ass. If we were follow those lines of logic, then we should meet up in the street and beat this argument out with clubs and knives, any takers???? The fact is, regardless of why immigrants come here, or what they are doing here, the bill in question refuses any medical treatment to illegals and will prosecute any doctors following their hippocratic oath. That is a fundamentally flawed idea, and in the support of basic human rights, I am against it. Exactly, which has been my point from the beginning, even though it's gotten lost in all of the bulls***...

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:08 PM) My father came over here on a work visa in the early 60s. He then joined the army to fast track his immigration. He went back and forth in the 60s between Ireland and the US and then brought my mother and I over in 1973. I was 1 1 1/2. He worked multiple jobs growing up. It took a while but we got our citizenship. I still remember it even though I was a child. It was one of the best days of my life. The american flag never was so beautiful to me on that day. So you were brought over illegally? There's a few people on here that don't want you here.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:00 PM) I am just going to throw my opinion into the frey on this, however I am a person who is a immigrant and a person who had to go through the naturalization process. Thank God I was able to overcome the families use of Gaelic and learn english I am a unique immigrant as I was born in Ireland and came over here when I was a baby. I dont have the typical Irish accent so no one knows that I am an immigrant unless I tell them. I am for a guest worker program. I believe in giving people options to become an american citizen. I think its a great option and will help curb some of the illegal activity. However the people who will be against this are the companies that utlize the lower pay of the illegal immigrant. This is who will fight this, not the immigrant and not the average american citizen. The immigrant wants a better life. Ireland up until they joined the EU had a piss poor economy. Many of my relatives have left and have sought out better opportunities all over the globe. I am however in favor of legal immigration only. Bottom line, if you cant come to a country legally, you must abide by the Sovereignty of the Countries Borders. For every person that comes here illegally with the proper dream, there are others who are using this as a way to bring drugs, gangs, and illicit goods into/out of this country. I see international gangs like MS-13 who jump back and forth across the border who have figured out how to utilize illegal immigration to further their gang activies. And as hard as it is for people to believe, there are irish and polish and others who come over here illegally. If you earn money in the US you should abide by the laws of the US and pay taxes. Rewarding people for breaking into the country is setting a bad example. So no drivers licenses, etc. If the government knows you are illegal you should be sent back. I dont care if you are Irish, Polish, Meixcan, Peruvian, or whatever. Our borders need to be secure. I do find it funny that the government of Mexico is openly handing out pamphlets on how to cross the border safely. The Irish are working on a similiar thing, it involves a tunnel that connects all the Irish pubs. It was scrapped due to too many irish not wanting to leave the first bar they hit. My only fear is that if some terrorist group uses the mexican border to get in and perform acts of terror, the repercussions to the Mexican-American relations will be grave and dramatic. Great post. I basically agree, especially in your belief of giving deserving immigrants the proper chance to be citizens. By the way, can I ask how you got here as a baby?

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:27 PM) Did many want them out and call for it? YES!! There were people waiting for them to come off the boats to tell them to go back and that they weren't wanted. They considered the Irish a dirty people. A lot also became slaves and indentured servants. A lot of them didn't even get a chance to live here anyway because they were shipped off to fight some war they knew nothing about. However, there also wasn't an overcrowding problem in the United States back then. Is there now? This is not a problem that one race or nationality had to deal with. This has always happened. Either way, I think that is a ridiculous argument for you to make since that had nothing to do with my argument. You are arguing two different things. I was arguing your stance on poor treatment by others in this country. Your call for racism. Ok, I get your argument. It happened in the past, so that makes it perfectly acceptable now. Fair enough.

QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:16 PM) Thank you. 5-10 kids was the norm 20 years ago...

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 12:09 PM) And just to make a point here, all immigrants had to deal with this problem when they first came to this country. No one would hire the Irish when they first got here. You know the Irish had to take the most dangerous jobs (Police and Fire Fighters) that no one else wanted for very little pay. Then the Germans. Then the Polish........ Each nationality had to deal with that. Each nationality also had to live in filth and the slums. Each nationality was very poor. Each nationality was treated very poorly. Each nationality had to learn an entirely different language. That is something that Mexicans can get by on right now. They don't have to learn the language. As soon as the Irish men got off the boat they had to sign a paper to join the army and were then shipped off to fight in a war they knew nothing about. There seems to be a price you pay when you come over here with nothing. Is this the racism you are talking about? Because I am not sure I would call it racism. And did they all get kicked out of the country as many are calling for?

QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 11:23 AM) If you'll stop using the race card to defend your argument, I'll agree to that. Yep, I'm "screaming racism." :rolly If you're gonna twist my words that poorly, might as well admit you've run out of things to say and are just talking out of your ass...

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 10:47 AM) No he is right. Other religions that have been around for centuries need to be made fun of. Scientology, who was invented by a writer, and is the "trendy" religion, is too serious to be mocked.

Go DePaul! Anybody wanna go with me to Rosemont to see them play?!

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Mar 14, 2006 -> 01:18 AM) It just seems kind of odd to me to bring that up in this discussion when nothing we being made of it. Unless you were having trouble refuting a point, which seemed like the case. What point did I not refute? You're the one still hung up on a simple point that I made that is, in fact, relevant. I've explained time and time again that I do not believe racism is a main cause of those who are against illegal immigration, but I do believe that it does play a role in the poor treatment and degradation of immigrants. The idea that because racism is brought up it completely nullifies a point of view is narrow-minded and ridiculous. There are going to be racial undertones when dealing with this particular subject whether you feel you're above admitting it or not... Maybe you keep bringing that up because you have trouble refuting my points...

QUOTE(WCSox @ Mar 13, 2006 -> 06:36 PM) The fatal flaw in your argument was that I was addressing A PARTICULAR person's life. I'm well-aware that there are college graduates out there who have a wife and three children to support. The fatal flaw in your argument is that you assume that every husband with a house and kids shares yours views. That's not the case. Let's just judge the opinions being posted and not the posters who are posting them.

Wear your damn hat straight...

It's a school bus company. I see them all over here in Chicago.