SleepyWhiteSox

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 11:44 PM) Another immature sight from Ozzie. I don't think I've once seen Guillen admit he was wrong at one point or another and until he does so, the White Sox are going to see idiotical displays like the Timo Perez experiment tonight. Ozzie seemingly believes that no one should hold him accountable because he "makes the f***ing lineup" or whatever. I'm sick and tired of hearing his childish rants when someone pins him in a corner he deserves to be in. Instead of saying, "s***, I made a mistake, I'll never do it again," he instead lashes out at reporters as if they're going to crucify him. While Ozzie is indeed the manager, he isn't God; he's totally human. Not everyone is going to be buddy-buddy with him, and he's only going to alienate himself and the fanbase through this horses***. ''As long as they blame it on me and they're not blaming any of my players, good,'' Guillen said. ''It's real easy to be criticized in baseball. That's part of the game. I just laughed. I do my job and I do the best I can to win games. That's why they are sitting behind the desk and I'm here managing. But if you're not willing to be criticized, get another job. That's why I'm the manager, to be criticized." He does take the blame and has before. He has stated before, and continues to, that he prefers the blame and criticism on himself rather than his players.

QUOTE(greasywheels121 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 11:33 PM) You guys just love to complain, and this is just something else to complain about. Unfortunately... And that list of questions is ridiculous. Similar lists can be made for just about every manager in every sport over the years...

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 11:21 PM) We didnt hire Ozzie for his class or tact. We hired him to inspire the team and get the best out of them. If we only have to deal with a few mental breakdowns like this series great. Exactly. Ozzie didn't yell expletives at him. I would have been disappointed if he had done something of that nature. He basically just dismissed what he had to say knowing it was probably bulls*** anyways. I don't see a problem. We should have some idea about how Ozzie's personality is and how he would react, and this was fairly tame to what it could have been. Were some of you guys expecting a hug?

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QUOTE(southsideirish @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:45 PM) By a few do you mean 2? I only saw Pierzynski and Konerko. 2 is a couple. A few is 3 or more. There was also a few pictures of Danica Patrick on that site. Talk about a hot June...

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 03:14 PM) yeah, I get off at the EL stop on fullerton every day right there, gotta love those demon dogs 3 bucks for a hot dog, fries and a small drink. Actually 3.10 now. I was literally sad when it went up 10 cents. Anyways, you can't beat that. I couldn't eat lunch if it wasn't for those prices... Tastes great too. Great dogs.

I'm in the area during the afternoon for fairly obvious reasons...

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) Haha, yeah. *cough cough* stalker *cough cough* There I was looking out my bedroom window, and some dork with a Depaul cap and a psychology report was spying on me on some George McFly type s***. :headshake

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 31, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) Interesting. I could very easily say, offense keeps you close, defense will win you the game. Just a difference in opinion, no one in here is wrong. Yeah, it's all a matter of opinion... Let me just throw out a scenario for the sake of discussion: Is there a defender that you are supremely confident that could shut down Jordan on, say, a game-winning shot guranteed? I would put my money on Jordan. It's impossible to say that he'd hit that shot every single time (he obviously did not hit every game-winner that he took in his career), but I still think that Jordan's offensive skills trumps any sort of defense that you throw out at him. In my humble opinion, he was just that good...

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 31, 2005 -> 05:24 PM) Do it, seriously. I would if it wasn't such a lame idea. Go for it if you're interested. I would prefer that the wording be however the tyson-lovers want it to be...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 31, 2005 -> 05:21 PM) The polls are now coming in. It appears that you are losing the majority vote. I'm tempted to do an Elton Brand - theo ratliff/tyson chandler poll...

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 03:39 PM) Philosophical differences is all. As far as I can tell, superior defenders are hard to come by, and guys who have the potential to score are everywhere. You don't agree? That's fine. Those guys that excel on both ends of the court? In a 30 team league, those types of players are very, very hard to come by. In my world, you add a Ray Allen, you add a Michael Redd. Do a study on the Milwaukee Bucks or Golden State Warriors. Actually, do what I do...take the time to analyze how every team builds, or has built since like 1987 (within a reasonable time frame, whatever we have witnessed throughout the course of our lives). Teams that build with offense in mind first and foremost don't work out in the vast majority of cases. Now, to get on to a whole nother discussion...I support a defensive brand of offense. I want the high percentage shot in the paint or the wide open shot on the perimiter every time. I want superior ball control. I'm not into PGs, combo guards, or scoring SFs who play street ball, like Allen Iverson, Steve Francis, Ben Gordon, Stephon Marbury, Jamal Crawford, Antoine Walker, Big Dog Robinson, etc. As you can see, teams actually try to build around these guys, although I won't presume that you'd do the same. Great defenders are usually very smart players, naturally. They can do all the little things well, which is what you're referring to when you bring up ball control, timely passing, hitting the open man, etc. Most are unselfish, and their contributions to team chemistry are immeasurable. In the end, you value offense when I think it's easy to come by, and I value defense which you think is not that hard to come by. We see the NBA from different ends of the spectrum. I am as conservative as they come, you are clearly liberal, although not to an extreme. This s*** is classic...

QUOTE(ChiSoxyGirl @ May 31, 2005 -> 09:51 AM) Pretty sweet site. Interesting.

I don't like "Sox pride."

Here we go...

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:07 PM) Last post on this topic- I swear... I just said Brand wouldn't be my first choice, but I'd rather have him than Chandler. I wouldn't exactly call Chandler "consistent" on either end of the floor anyways. I'd rather have someone that gives me consistent production on one end or the other without being a huge liability on the other end. Guys like Chandler are the guys you add to the team later when you already have something built because guys that contribute in only one or two areas of the game are easier and cheaper to find than guys that can fill in across the board. I don't care how good your defense is, you're going to have to score around 90 a game to win consistently, and you're starting in a nice little hole in that department starting with Chandler/Ratliff and Hassell/Bell. After you get someone like Brand, you can add guys like Bowen and Dalembert and get closer to competing as opposed to struggling to score 80 with your defensive stoppers and looking for someone who can produce that won't compromise the D. It's a little harder to try it the other way around. I'd much rather start with my scorers because it's difficult to find someone that fills that role without killing you on the other end. If I really had my choice of players in the entire league, I'd take a guy that can do both rather well, like Duncan or Garnett. Then I have a lot more flexibility in the type of player I can add at the other positions. If I add someone like Dalembert, I can afford to take a more suspect defender that will help my offense like Nash, or if I add someone like Ray Allen I can take someone that struggles to score like Chandler. Or I can make things much easier and get someone like Artest who gives me both, making a solid foundation for the team (as long as I can find a way to keep him in check. In the end, who cares, I'm just using examples). There are numerous important facets to making a successful team, defense is only one of them, just like scoring. Just like you need to be able to protect the paint and pressure the ballhandler, a good team will have someone that can score consistently inside and someone that can hit the open shot, and having guys that can create their own shot help greatly in that area. You also need to handle the ball, find the open man, rebound on offense and defense, and be able to get a stop or a score in the clutch. I'd much rather take a guy that can help me in 4 or 5 of these areas than 2 or 3. I know you have a bit of a hard on for the defensive specialists, but there are many other facets to the game. Ben Wallace and Taysaun Prince are nice players, but Detroit wouldn't be there without guys that can create their shots like Hamilton and Billups, and vice versa. The really good teams can do it all. You take you stoppers and see what happens if you can't find a scorer, I'll take the scorer and try some role players to provide the D. It's a little easier to start over if it doesn't work my way than the other way around.

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:32 PM) All of those are suspended outside of tmar... he is never a problem. I believe it is fop one month, tru two, and dougly ten. losers

QUOTE(GreatScott82 @ May 31, 2005 -> 12:32 AM) Lets face it. We all have had a love-hate fan relationship towards Frank. I don't think anyone can question his career #s and what he has accomplished for our Sox over the last 15+ years. I do remember wanting to not re-sign Frank after his subpar 2002 season when he was a free agent. He always made it public about his contract needs and that just pisses off most fans (ABOZ I know where you are coming from), he also had a bad attitude when things didn't go his way before 2002. But after he signed back with us in 2003- he seemed to have changed for the good. He had a solid 2003 season (should have been an all-star) and we just missed the playoffs. In 2004 he was on pace to repeat what he did in 2003 until his injury. And even with his injury and all the comments Ozzie made towards him- he has been extremely classy, and has been an excellent team player. Everyone seems to bring up old negatives in regards to Frank, but in reality he hasn't done anything negative to the team over the past 3 seasons. He has changed for the good and is near the end of his career. (could be the last in a White Sox uniform) I personally am happy he is back- as our offense could use a presence like Frank to help stir up the opposing pithers thought process. And as far as Frank messing up the team chemistry: I'm not buying it, out team will still have great team chemistry. Ozzie wont settle for less. I was at the game today and when we gave Frank that standing O- i got goosebumps. Definitely a great moment in White Sox history. Welcome back Frank. Hopefully your hip thing aint serious and hopefully he didn't return to the lineup too soon. Good post. When the hell did Conan do that "interview"???

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 31, 2005 -> 03:03 AM) I am not very pessimistic. I tell the truth which many people cannot handle and mistake it for being pessimistic. But you go along believing what you wish. Ok. Good for you. Will do.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:53 AM) If you want to question Ozzie moves, fine and most will agree with you on some, but if you want to make asinine generalizations then you should intern for Moronotti and leave us alone. "intern for moronotti"

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:41 AM) This is true, but it sure as hell seems to me he has money on the opposing teams more often than not. He makes alot of bone headed decisions more and i am not one of those people that says it after it happens. When i see something weird as hell going on i question it to see if anyone knows the answer why. More often than not he stumps everyone. Just out of curiosity, do you like anyone associated with the Sox (outside of widge)? I can't recall a positive, non-pessimistic Sox post from you....

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 31, 2005 -> 02:10 AM) LOL seriously. We all have our great el stories! Really, though...I think the El is extremely safe. I've fallen asleep on the Orange, Green, Red, Brown, and Purple lines countless times and have never had any problems. My only complaint is the cubs fans that crowd the Red Line and ruin my power nap on my way to school... By the way, if a guy on the El approaches you asking if you would like to participate in an extremely quick psychology experiment for DePaul, please say yes. I have a few to do in a short amount of time, but the good news is that I'm essentially done..

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:51 AM) I never had you pegged for one who just agrees to disagree. You talk s*** too, so GMAFB. You come with more cheap shots than just about anyone on here, although not as many now that we don't have Bulls threads every day. Little subtle references here and there. You know what I'm saying.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:38 AM) Sad, really...

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 31, 2005 -> 01:31 AM) Sleepy, don't even try to pretend as though anything I have ever said made any sense to you in the first place. You do realize you come off as a stuck-up, egotistical asshole, right? And no, your attempts at insulting my intelligence aren't the most clever...