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QUOTE(Tadahito15 @ May 9, 2005 -> 07:51 PM) Thanks! I've been reading this site for awhile now and it seems that I have finally found some other knowledgeable and diehard fans like myself. Here's to a season of success and fun baseball. welcome

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He maximized his players and turned outscoring and outrunning into a new form of defense... Skiles could have won it with no complaints from anyone, although the start may have hurt him, but this is a solid choice nonetheless. Anyone outside of these two winning, such as a certain coach getting consideration after coaching for about half a season, and I would have not agreed at all... Saying Skiles got raped is ridiculous...

renee zellweger married kenny chesney?

I like crawford, but not when he's playing us.

What happened to the anti-Crede crew?

ho-hum...another win... Ok, I'm excited! Hope it isn't serious...

Him moving his legs is a good sign against serious injury, right? I'm clueless about these things...

LOL Can't wait til it hits the clubs...

Awesome story...

QUOTE(The Critic @ May 7, 2005 -> 06:17 PM) ....you can exhale now....ESPN LOVES THE SOX!!!! My life now feels complete.

Can the title be changed to best April/May Sox team?

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 7, 2005 -> 05:12 AM) There numbers that have reressed this year are still better than nash's. Even if they were equal those three's defense>>>>>> nash's defense. They make players alter their shots almost at will. If you take shaq, duncan, and garnett, and replace them with whoever those teams would not be nearly as good. The heat played ''very well'' with his but were only 4-4 without him. At the most they would be five games or so over with let's say, marc jackson in the middle. How about we replace duncan with another ''good'' player antoine walker? Garnett with rasheed wallace or kenyon martin? You could put jason kidd, jamal tinsley, mike bibby, brevin knight, dwayne wade, alston, etc... on the suns, surrounded by all that offesive fire power and they are bound to rack up double digit assists. Now of course you will just say no not possible considering you do not believe in defense and pass first point guards. Do you really think that if Nash had players like tim thomas they would really be the same? Nash doesn't really make the offense, everyone in that starting line up makes the offense, nash is just the catalyst, the doesn't make him an mvp, find another catalyst and the offense still runs. There has never been an mvp that you could say, wow, several other guys that play the same exact position could come in and get very similar results. To say the mvp is not the best player during the regular season is silly i don't care what the title is. The best player in baseball gets it, not who the press thinks helped there team the most. Same goes with every other sport. The player who put up the best stats always gets it. It also helps for that player to a be a franchise player for them to win it. Once more ( since you apparently skipped over it) amare was putting up these numbers in the second half of last year so there cannot be the excuse he made amare suddenly better. Has nash really made this team that much better or how about bringing in jimmy jackson and richardson? They surely were no help. Bring in a point guard that buys into the run and gun and voila, success. Bottom line is mvp winners are irreplaceable and steve nash is not irreplaceable. So I'm supposed to argue against hypothetical scenarios? You're going at it completely wrong. You can't say so-and-so would have done the exact same job because there is no way to know that. MVP voting is based on facts and what actually happened, not what you think might have happened in these make-believe scenarios you keep bringing up. The bottom line is that Nash played with the Suns this year, they had one of the greatest offenses in a long time, they had a huge turnaround from last year, and they were one of the best teams in the league. Keep telling yourself that other PG's would have done the exact same job. That really isn't based on facts, but oh well... And no, I did not discount Amare or Marion or Q, but you're discounting the fact that Nash made their lives much, much easier. Would you mind telling me the numbers they put up when Nash didn't play this year compared to when he did? You'll notice the difference...Sure, Amare was showing signs of life last year, but how was their record then? Bottom line is Nash drove that team, and their offense was one of the best in a very long time. Nobody else accomplished that this year. And bringing in baseball made no sense either. Let's at least stick to the sport of discussion. Oh yeah, Jordan losing to Barkley and Malone completely kills your argument that the MVP goes to the best player in the league.

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 7, 2005 -> 03:36 AM) True, its hard to say duncan too because, the spurs weren't exactly struggling with out him. Exactly. And you can't miss that many games and still win it. I'm not some huge Nash fan either. It was more of a default win than anything else. But saying he didn't deserve it because he isn't the greatest PG of all time or whatever is ridiculous. It's not a life-time achievement award. You're not competing against the players of the past. It doesn't matter if somebody had a better year than you 5 years ago and didn't win it. It's a single season award. Like I said before, because of the lack of amazing individual season-long efforts by a player on a top team in the league, it was slim pickings this year... The talent level and greatness of the past just isn't there in the NBA currently...

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 7, 2005 -> 03:30 AM) You could make an argument for a few guys winning it, nash is definatley one of those guys. I don't see why not. Sure. That's how it is every year. But the strongest case usually wins. But to be honest, outside of Nash and maybe shaq, I really couldn't see any others who had a strong case. Nobody had their impact on how their teams became so strong and won so many games. KG? C'mon now...He's great, but the wolves were s***ty as hell this year. It would have been a mockery of the award to give it ti him...

QUOTE(rangercal @ May 7, 2005 -> 03:13 AM) I think the award goes out to who the voters feel is "most valuable to their team". Not best player. With your lists , you seem to think the best player should get it. You would think it's a fairly simple concept...

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 7, 2005 -> 02:35 AM) Shaq, duncan, and garnett all had considerably better seasons. No, not really. All their numbers went down, most had injuries, and you're joking if you think KG would win it going from one of the best in the West last year to not making the playoffs this year. There's no value in that. You really didn't even present a valid argument against Nash winning it. Nash won it not because he will go down in history as one of the best players to play the game, but because there was a lack of strong performances this year for MVP. It speaks more on the level of talent of the NBA right now. Nobody really broke through to make a strong case for MVP this year, and that is a trend that may continue... I still have no idea why you compared him to Kidd from years ago if the award is for THIS year...

QUOTE(danman31 @ May 7, 2005 -> 01:24 AM) Tyson Chandler has the worst hands known to man. Eddy Curry needs to be back, duh. You made 2 verry good points...

QUOTE(qwerty @ May 6, 2005 -> 09:57 PM) Timo was tremendous today. We need a team full of timo's QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 2, 2005 -> 12:26 PM) One of the options we have is to change the color of the text that appears in your posts. When you see green text, that indicates sarcasm, or a joke. Don't take it seriously. For example The Cubs are my favorite team, and Woods>Buehrle

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ May 6, 2005 -> 09:52 PM) I'm so sick of crap like that. We had home court in the playoffs...its not good enough just to be there and f***ing bow out like you don't give a s***. GAH WHAT A s***TY NIGHT THIS WILL BE Sox won... I stopped paying attention to this series after game 4. It was over after that...

QUOTE(Jabroni @ May 6, 2005 -> 09:50 PM) Seriously, where the f*** was Gordon? Griffin showed up tonight...That's about it...

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ May 6, 2005 -> 09:48 PM) What a great day. The Bulls choke, it looks more likely that Dee may go pro, it looks like Scheyer is a lock to Duke, and I've spent all day studying for a final. You thought weber could recruit scheyer?

duhon is our best PG and chandler should have at least been 2nd-Team All-Defensive this year...

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ May 5, 2005 -> 07:57 PM) For all the people complaining. There is something called "winter coats" to keep you warm. They invented it a long time ago. It works wonders. Really crazy. You see, you put your shoulders in these 2 insulated holes and put the coat on. Then you zip the zipper all the way up. It keeps your whole upper body warm. Some of them come with "hoods" that keep your head warm as well. It's really crazy. I wonder if anyone has them in Chicago besides me. lol