SleepyWhiteSox

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 02:35 PM) There's a big difference. Yours is based ALMOST entirely on your subjective opinion. It practically ignores stats entirely. Show me statistically where Valentin in past yrs has proven to be a better SS than Uribe has this year. Subjectively I think Uribe's arm is substantially better than Jose's & that's the main reason we are turning the DP's. It's not luck. It's talent. Uribe's current pace will exceed Val's in both DP's & assists. As for Thomas, his impact is felt not just in OBP but the number of pitches he consumes & the quality of pitches he consumes. He's one of the toughest outs in MLB (statistically supported fact) & that helps everyone in the lineup. Nothing you said about Garland changes the fact that for his career he is a 3.66 era pither in May. That again is a statistically supported fact. So if he's going to balloon like you believe he is it would occur in the warmer months. No one is expecting him to have 20 wins like E-LO. But right now his pitching has been bolstered by solid defense that has allowed him to get out of jams. I don't see any reason to believe that will change. So whether he falls to Earth will depend on whether he can keep the ball down & prevent HRs. Now to suddenly extend this fall to Earth scenario to the rest of the rotation is irrational. Look at the m-2-m #'s for Garcia & Buerhle. They are good for 25 winnable starts a year. That's a statistical fact. Hernandez is a wild card because of health but BMac promises more in recovery than we've seen in several yrs. Contreras statistically defies his talent. So why should I believe it's more likely he will fall than rise? As for the defensive improvements they are pretty clear to any one who watches the games. Pods has more range in LF than Lee did. Pods has enough speed & experience to sub for Rowand in CF. An option we did not have in yr's past. You are the only person I think on the planet who does not believe that Dye is one of the better defensive outfielders in the league. Again his arm is substantially better than Maggs. You're comparison of Val to Uribe is insane. Unless you are referring to Val of 2000. Any one who bothers to watch most of the games knows that Crede is one the best 3B for getting outs on anything hit in front of him. There is no one better. His weakness has been anything hit near or past the bag & so far this year he has looked better than past years. As for Konerko his arm is better than most & he's made some good stops in past yrs & this yr. You undervalue him defensively. Now I can prove all this by posting ZR numbers for all of these players & compare them to the rest in the ALC but it's much easier to comment on how they play in the field. All Sox fans can see that. As for the bench what matters most are the R, RBI, & TB. They are producing as I indicated above. It's useless to look at overall stats because bench players are used mostly in situations & matchups. vs LH: Ozuna (.333A .333O .444S) , vs RH: Harris (.353A .421O .353S) That's why both are likely to remain after Thomas returns. The team as a whole: vs LH: .297A .306O .428S, vs RH: .248A .296O .390S The team is 15-4 because of talent. Luck has been on their side but it doesn' t generate back to back hits to drive in the tying & winning run like it did on Sun. That's talent.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) If I'm ever on Hannidate, I give anyone the permission to kill me. That was some mean-spirited s***...

Where's Mo Cheeks when you need him?

QUOTE(Yossarian @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 02:08 PM) Sorry, I agree with him. Ozzie comes across not just outspoken, but angry and vindictive too. In business and in life I like straight at you direct, to the point, outspoken people. What Ozzie does is way beyond this. On another note, yes we Sox fans and our team are the poor neglected red haired step children of American sports. The national media would love to see the cute adorable ones from the north side in the playoffs much more than they'd like to see the Sox be there. Still, the degree of reflexive circle the wagons mentality about each and every little slight isn't going to help the cause. If the Sox keep winning, the media will have to shine the spotlight on our team. It would be a good thing if our "outspoken" manager would keep that in mind and learn to pick his times to go off with a little more discretion. Something just doesn't seem right when the negative articles heavily outweigh the positive articles for a team playing this well with this kind of record, regardless of it being early. But the players aren't distracted and we continue to play well, so it really doesn't matter how many negative articles the media can churn out. Regardless, it's just a minor pet peeve that they have to be more negative than positive.

QUOTE(lukedu (atwinsfan) @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 08:50 PM) Idk if that is my site but I registered here in return... Welcome. As long as you're not fat girl, that annoying twins blogger...

QUOTE(valponick @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 01:56 PM) I read alot of Donovans stuff and most of it is garbage, not just the stuff he writes about the White Sox. And calling him a moron is hardly "tearing him to shreds" so stop being dramatic and relax chief. I just think writers are too eager to rip the Sox. They're supposed to be kicking us when we're down. The Sox are obviously not the most popular team amongst sportswriters and national media, but why not at least wait until a 3-game losing streak (That is, if we ever have one this year) to bash us?

Although I didn't think so, the title sorta sounds as if he had actually 'died.' Hope nobody else gets confused...

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 11:18 AM) Seriously, you are the Sports Bar version of AnthraxFan. And you're right, I should have put you on ignore a long time ago.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 01:28 AM) I'm past the point of having a civil conversation about basketball with you, dude. You miss the mark every f***ing time. Lebron James is decent right now, at best. Anyone with half a clue would tell you the same. What in the hell do you want me to say to back this up other than the fact that I actually strive to know things about the NBA, unlike some people. If he's Top 15, I'm a motherf***ing astronaut. PGs don't swarm around the perimiter like SGs and SFs. They don't get consideration in the traditional sense. Of course you didn't know that. How could you not know that Posey and Bell are terrific defenders? I'll tell you how. You have your head waaay up your you know what. Lay off the weed, marley. There really isn't any need to get your panties in a bunch. If you're going to get into a basketball discussion and whine and b**** because everyone isn't agreeing and you're not getting your way, than just don't respond to my posts. You do realize it was you responding to my posts, right? I take this as light-hearted, innocent banter. It's just sports. If I knew it was making you cry, I wouldn't have carried on. I'm not past the point of having a civil discussion with anyone. Maybe some people just don't know how... :headshake

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 01:34 AM) Posey Bell Igoudula Christie Bowen Prince Hassell McKie Kirilenko Artest Augmon Peterson Ginobili Pietrus Battier And some more stats here on a Bowen vs. T-Mac vs. Kone comparison on defense; Bowen - PER on defense as a SF = 14.7 Bryant - PER on defense as a SG = 15.1 McGrady - PER on defense as a SF = 13.6 The thing is PER is a stat that not only indicates how good you are on defense compared to your offensive stats and how your opponent does on offense and defense. So even though Bryant has a higher PER, opponents would score way more on him, because Kobe scores a lot more than Bowen, and he only has a PER .4 higher than Bowen, who is much weaker offensively. Judging from those numbers, bowen isn't much better than kobe, although I have no idea what they mean. Could you show the numbers for the rest of the players listed? Might as well throw in Kidd and LeBron. And I hope you meant Plastic Man Augmon from 10 years ago. Peterson has lackluster D, along with anyone in a Raps uni...I also mentioned Christie, when healthy...and Kirilenko plays the post...

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 10:19 PM) That is why he is not gonna be starting for us anytime soon unless he learns how to take care of the ball and run the point which i am not very confident that's gonna happen any time soon. We don't win without everything that Ben Gordon gave us tonight. I'm not sure if you've noticed, but the general consensus is that he played a GREAT game. He gave us what we needed, and his defense wasn't THAT bad. Look at Hughes' numbers this year and tell me who stopped him this year. Neutralizing 2 or 1 of their big 3 is all we need to do to win each game. Ben will be starting next year. He's too good not to.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 09:17 PM) I swear, some people could just never get it right. :headshake I stand by those words. He's good, but not great. I swear, some people never mature. Instead of attempting to belittle my comments because you think you're more knowledeable than I am in an opinion-based discussion, make a valid addition to the discussion by backing up your argument instead of basically just saying "Your opinion doesn't follow mine and therefore you are wrong." Don't just disagree for the sake of disagreeing because you're coming in defense of your boyfriend. You said LeBron wouldn't even figure into a top 15 list of perimeter defenders. Name them. And don't forget to include Posey and Bell... And last time I checked, PG's don't play in the post. Therefore, they qualify as perimeter players. Again... :headshake

QUOTE(qwerty @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:21 AM) Kobe bryant is one of the most overated defenders in the league. If you do not believe me you can go ahead and get others opinions on him ( unless of course they are a lakers fan they would be slurping him). He is always good, sometimes very good, but how often is he great? He is just like mcgrady, if they were not 30 point scorers they would never be eligible for defender of the year. I didn't mean for there to be a misunderstanding, witesox. It was meant for qwerty since he pulled off this gem.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 25, 2005 -> 12:39 AM) No you weren't Don't put those two (Kobe and T-Mac) in the same sentence in terms of defense. Kobe is superior to T-Mac. Get it?

NOC!!! BEN!!! Kirk! (minus the poor shooting) Davis! Othella! Duhon! (minus a couple of rookie mistakes) Tyson! piatkowski :puke

QUOTE(T R U @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 05:21 PM) still doesnt justify the fact that he is not = to Burris and no matter what you think he did on the basketball court.. he must have done some s*** to be Mr Basketball in the state of Florida I meant for FSU. I attended every home game and he was a non-factor.

TAKE pike OUT!!! It's a damn lay-up!

BEN GORDON!!! (And no, I don't need to hear about his 'deficiencies' right now )

So who plays when all of our big guys foul out? If not for comcast sucking ass, Pip broadcasting...

QUOTE(whitesoxfan99 @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) Who has Kobe ever locked down? I remember him trying to guard Mike Bibby when they played the Kings and Bibby absolutely embarrasing him. I remember Hamilton having a good series against him last year. Bottom line is what wings did he have to lock down during their title run. Against the Kings Rick Fox would take Peja and Kobe would guard Christie who is not a good offensive player and Bibby who lit him up. The Blazers go to guy when they should have beaten the Lakers if it wasn't for the officiating was Rasheed Wallace. The team that the Lakers have had the most problems with, the Spurs didn't have a great perimeter scorer. Last year, Ginobili and Devin Brown both has quite a bit of success scoring. Not to mention Sprewell who had a big series against the Lakers in the Conference finals last year. Also, every time I have seen Kobe guard T-Mac, McGrady has lit him up. Is Kobe a bad defender, no. But I would not put him among the league elites. Bruce Bowen is a very good defender who always draws the opposing teams best wing and is a guy who annoys the hell out of everyone he guards. He is widely acknowledged as among the leagues best and causes guys a lot of problems because he is very sound with his technique on D and he plays real hard. Having Tim DUncan in the middle helps him some, but are you saying having Shaq in the middle didn't help Kobe then cause you can't have it both ways. I would also say that both Ron Artest and Tayshaun Prince are both much better defenders than Kobe Bryant as well. Prince made Bryant look bad over and over again in the playoffs last year and basically shut down everyone he guarded. You have to remember that it is impossible to shut down a great offensive player. Guys like Bowen, Prince, and Artest do a great job of severely limiting them however. I don't think Kobe has done that on a consistent basis. He has had his moments defensively and they just happen to be remembered more because he played for a winner. It was stated before that Kobe locked up AI in the Finals. Kobe has a couple of all-defensive teams under his belt. I guess I'm wrong along with everyone who voted him in for it in multiple years. Kobe is the better defender at the guard position. Artest and Prince are SF's. So everyone else agrees that T-Mac is as good a defender as Kobe?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) Kobe had some 7 footer behind him too during those championship runs. Atleast that's probably what Pippen would say I was talking about T-Mac. So you think he's better at D than Kobe too?

I still can't believe we're seriously in the playoffs.

Just harmless banter, qwerty. As long as we both want a Bulls victory, all is well. (Kobe on D and T-Mac on D are 2 completely different things.) PIP on comcast right now...

Thanks for the re-name. I don't know who started talking about PIPPEN and bruce bowen...

QUOTE(bulokis @ Apr 24, 2005 -> 04:13 PM) Ozuna, Rowand, Shingo > hell yeah!!!!!!!!!!! Our bench is better than kc