RockRaines

QUOTE(LosMediasBlancas @ Dec 29, 2005 -> 11:57 AM) and WTF is he doing playing Dr.? now THATS clubhouse chemistry!

QUOTE(S720 @ Dec 29, 2005 -> 11:02 AM) My point is most of us did not like the contracts of Burnett, Millwood, etc. They are making $11/year as well but with longer years. At the end of 2008, if you think Garland will be resigned with the White Sox for $11 mil/year again, what is the difference between Garland's contract and other overrated contracts of Millwood or Burnett? I don't think Garland will get another big contract from the White Sox after 2008, and that's the reason why I prefer giving this $11 mil/year for 2 years to Contreras. What is the difference between these players that you mentioned? Garland has almost the same statistics as the Cy Young award winner last year, except for a couple less wins. Burnett and Millwood werent the performers that Jon was. Plus Jon is 26 with no injury history, and his contract is less that that of those two players, in years and money. Thats why this is a bargain, business 101.

QUOTE(watchtower41 @ Dec 27, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) great thread... Orton gets no credit becuase of the media and fans that think we have Joe MOntana coming off the bench. Look at this team last year with Krenzel and Quinn, same defense, but did they win any games?? The Bears stand today as division winers in largepart to the way Orton handled the offense and did not hand over games to the opposing team. Sexy Rexy on the other hand, will choke in out firsty playoff game. In 6 quarters he already has 3 pics and was a stellar 11-23 against one of the worst defense's in the league. Hope they gets his wing in Canton done soon. to Grossman, the most overrated Chicagoan since Kerry Wood same defense? What was our defense ranked last year???? And this year??? Congrats on your terrible argument.

The only real question in my mind is the OF and IF positions. The bullpen is set with the critical situations being handled by our existing staff. But in the event that Uribe goes down, im not sure im comfortable with Pablo filling in. But other than that I like the direction that we are going.

Garland was named AL pitcher of the month for April after going 4-0 with a 1.80 ERA, and he threw 23 consecutive scoreless innings from April 20 to May 6. He made two postseason starts, going 1-0 with a 2.25 ERA, including a complete-game victory against the Los Angeles Angels in Game 3 of the AL Championship Series. He posted a no-decision in Game 3 of the World Series in Houston, allowing four runs (two earned) in seven innings Sounds to me like his deal is a bargain. Much better than the 55-60 million dollars he would have gotten as an FA.

QUOTE(S720 @ Dec 29, 2005 -> 08:10 AM) Don't know what Kenny is thinking! But this offseason is getting more interested... im sure he is thinking that Jon is 26 years old, and is signed for below market value. If you compare the stats of the two pitchers last year, Jon had the better year. In fact his stats are extremely close to the colon's who won the cy young.

QUOTE(Athomeboy_2000 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) HOLY CRAP! Some guy just called the Score in regards to the stadium idea and said that apperently Schaumburg is under the table looking to maybe get an NFL team. Maybe in a stadium near the convention center. Bernstein said he hasn't heard that, but WOW! What an interesting idea. It would never work. The bears are so rooted in this town. The cubs and sox have survived this long because they are so old. PLus the most popular sports team in this town is the bears, and it will always be that way.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 29, 2005 -> 08:10 AM) I see nothing wrong with anything Contreras is asking for, just I like I had no problem with what Garland was turning down what he did. Good luck to Jose, as this will be the last big contract of his life. agreed. You are talking about someone who pretty much has the most "ace" stuff on our starting staff, carried us through the 2nd half, and was our top of the rotation guy in the playoffs. What he is asking is actually a little under the market price for a guy like that.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 29, 2005 -> 07:28 AM) Give the man 3 years, 11 mil.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) Well, the specific point would be this...our closer destroys lefties, we have a righty setup guy who can get out lefties in Cliffy, and 1 other Lefty. That's a pretty good way to go into the 8th inning...if Jenks continues devastating lefties like he did last year, it may well reduce some of the need for another lefty reliever. That said, we still need another relief pitcher from somewhere. YUP The you need a lefty to get lefties out thing is tired. I think we need one more bullpen arm, use BMAC in the long relief/swingman role, and we are done.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 05:11 PM) How could they be worn out? Nobody sat in them for years. *rimshot*

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) My guess is that the "Owens thing" is Owens's departure from Winterball that we mentionned here a week or so ago. I figured, but where is the Gathright is better than Brian Anderson information.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) Jenks = Moreso. you=right but jenks=closer

QUOTE(ottawa_sox @ Dec 24, 2005 -> 11:16 PM) This club could really use a loogy specialist. Someone to face the best lefthanded hitter the opposition has to offer in a close game. Polite is pretty damn effective vs lefties.

QUOTE(wilmot825 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) After the rumors about Jerry Owens, are the White Sox going to make a run and re-aquiring Rowand or possibly trying for Joey Gathright? I am just not sold on Anderson yet and don't want him to be a bust and screw up the rest of the line-up. Gathright is speedy and a solid #2 hitter Ozzie is looking for, but he isn't proven yet. I would love to get Rowand back and then have the unltimate team. Please expand on this owens things, and why gathright is better than Brian Anderson.

Trade whoever, the only untouchable in my eyes is MB.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Dec 27, 2005 -> 01:33 AM) Franchise, not team. Franchise. f*** this Franchise. egg-zactly, it all starts with the ownership.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 03:52 PM) Unless he's cheating on Ozzie's neice, I don't see it I didnt say THEY would rather trade Freddy. I said I would. He makes the most sense to me, and frankly I think that down the road he may be the least effective arm we have.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 03:44 PM) BMac won't be traded. The sox can't have a NYY like salary for their starting rotation. With Garland locked up, Jose or Vazquez are likely to be traded I would rather trade Freddy.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 02:50 PM) No fair, I was going to post who it was, but I saw it when I was posting something else. Another issue is that the latter's shoulder acted up at the end of the season and still has 2 years at $26 mil left, which has actually gone higher than that because he won the Cy Young, and it could go from $14 mil to $17 mil for 2007 if he finishes in the top 3 for Cy Young voting again. You hit the nail on the head on that one. Jon is only 26!!!!!!! He eats innings, was consistent pretty much all year, and was good in the playoffs, especially at anaheim. But of course he will be under .500 for the next 3 years right?

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 02:45 PM) And the below market price one was about 1 home run by Garret Anderson, or 1 or 2 more good games away from making a real challenge for that Cy Young award too. Oh, and he gets a pretty ring. And pitchers who arent nearly as good, or durable get HUGE contracts...cough AJ Burnett, cough

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) 221 IP 18 Wins 86 ER 47 BB 3.50 ERA - 26 years old 223.2 IP 21 wins 86 ER 43 BB 3.48 ERA- 32 years old One of these players just won the Cy Young award, the other just got locked up for below market price. SF1 this is what I was posting.

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 02:42 PM) I hit send too soon.

221 IP 18 Wins 86 ER 47 BB 3.50 ERA - 26 years old 223.2 IP 21 wins 86 ER 43 BB 3.48 ERA- 32 years old One of these players just won the Cy Young award, the other just got locked up for below market price.

QUOTE(Soxfest @ Dec 28, 2005 -> 02:25 PM) Yeah hope you "chuckle" when he wins 12 games and goes .500 or below record next 3 years. hahahaha!!! Keep it up with those zingers, you truly are a great mind.