RockRaines

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 05:21 PM) THats fine. Add in him playing at home and he is an average player. .809 OPS in one of, if not the best, hitting park in the league. THats average to bad. And what park does Crede play in??? I will give you a hint, one of the best hitters parks in ALL of the MLB. And his OPS is lower??? Thanks for playing. Secondly he is 25 years old, has a higher ceiling, is already a better offensive player and defensive player. You can try and section off his OPS in domes, grass, half seasons, playing with eye black, it doesnt change the fact that Blalock is a superior player. Also nitetrain=Vafan=jphat IMO

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 05:18 PM) Most statistics? They show he is one of the worst hitters in the league away from Arlington. You cant just eliminate half the games he plays to prove your point. His home batting perfomance is half of who he is. Stop trying to manipulate statistics to prove your point, it doesnt hold water.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 05:14 PM) No Blalock is not "clearly" the better player. That is your opinion. his opinion, most fans opinions, most scouts opinions, most GM's opinions, most managers opinion, most statistics show this. Guess you are the minority.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 05:08 PM) Yeah ok, now I remember. Thanks. I joined sometime in '04

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 05:06 PM) 15 yards, piling on.

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 05:04 PM) What was your old name, I don't remember. I thought this was your original, you know, like Jim H. and quickman. babybearhater, I had some nice blow outs with Querty.

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QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 04:55 PM) Rock the crappy part is I think there is something new in a thread, but its the same old story, same b****ing and moaning. The titles change but the subject are the same, stupid stuff. I guess you picked an off time to come back. A little over a year ago we really had some great discussions, it seems to have fallen off lately. Of course that was under my old name....

QUOTE(JimH @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) Yeah right, Boras is gonna give the White Sox a reasonable price. And Garland, who wants to play on the west coast, will take whatever the White Sox offer. Jim, Adressing his posts are alot like this= :banghead its just not worth the trouble.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:55 PM) Thx Jabroni, talkin out your ass again. Just like you did the first time when you got banned. I did not say that about either [player. I said Blalock sucks on the road and it would be increidbly dumb to pretty much trade Garland for him. And we've been through the Sizemore thing 100 times. Each time you make s*** up and look dumb for it. Yet, you had nothing to say to me? You are a stat manipulator, you will pick out a small portion of statistics from each player that prove your point. The best way to look at a player is their stats overall. Looking at just their home or away statistics in this situation is ridiculous. So what if someone hits badly on the road, he flat out rakes at home, better than our best hitter right now. Its is still part of who he is as a player. Your arguments seem to dodge that little bit of truth every time its called out.

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QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:24 PM) Irony Oh, your admin powers have me in awe!!!!!!

And now lets put this thread to sleep.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:07 PM) I never understood why someone would pay for these baffons? Are they not doing the same thing you or I could do? . No, because your articles last year would have been even MORE wrong, and simply just looked like this. ihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwih tekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihate wihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwihatekwi atekwihatekw

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Jphat seems to use stats to show that our players are better than any players on any other team. He can't seem to accept that players like Grady Sizemore and Hank Blalock are better than Scott Podsednik and Joe Crede. But Timo has a higher OPS in a dome than Thome has against lefties, so obviously Timo should have been our DH. For god sakes Timo's OPS is 790 when in domes!!!

JP, dont you think 5 million is a bargain for a player with a higher home OPS than Konerko?

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 02:54 PM) Yes, but his home OPS is better than Konerko's, so basically we would be getting a sweet bargain on him. Right? ?????

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 02:37 PM) But my point is that evens out. 5 Million is ridiculous for a player that has a road OPS lower than Scott Podsednik for the last three years. And I'm aruging with a guy who think Podsednik sucks. Yes, but his home OPS is better than Konerko's, so basically we would be getting a sweet bargain on him. Right?

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 02:33 PM) Blalock is a better overall player than Crede. Especially when you consider he's locked in to a very fair contract for a few more years, there's probably not a single executive in baseball who'd rather have Crede than Blalock. there are a few future GM's on here who beg to differ.

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) This might be my favorite in regards to Blalock. 3 year home OPS ..942 Konerko 3 year home OPS .940 manipulating stats is fun huh? JP, seriously, manipulating stats to prove your point is super sweet.

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 01:08 PM) Defensively, Crede is better. Offensively, Blalock is better. Disagree, Blalock is a better defened, he led the AL 3B in defense. And he is 2 years younger. If you compare them both at 25 years old, clearly you can see Blalock is better with the glove.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 12:02 PM) I wasn't concerned about them making it, that's just me thought. I didn't even think Mark should have started until Halladay got hurt then I was for Mark starting just because it would be something cool for him, personally. Blalock was one of the most hyped prospects to come along in a long ass time, every player and coach was aware of him when he broke into the league and he tends to have decent 1st half of the seasons, which is what is voted on. For as long as we have say the NBA All-Star game with Yao being the leading vote getter and Amare Stoudamire the starting PF, I really can't put much emphasis on All-Star appearances. well there IS a reason that when considering a player for the hall of fame, the amount of all start selections is brought up. Especially when introducing a player. It carries weight. Regardless, he is still a better player than Crede, home, away , offensively, defensively, he is a better player

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 11:55 AM) How can anyone put any value into All-Star selections when they continue to be a joke year after year. I stopped putting weight into the All-Star game in all sports a while ago. Until the Fans stop voting and until the players get thier heads out of their asses when voting (Nathan was an All-Star last year) I refuse to use All-Star selections as a measuring stick for who is a good player. When it comes to older players and fan favorites, I agree. But when electing a 23 or 24 year old on a not very popular team, at a saturated position, I think it holds weight. If it really didnt mean anything than we would have been so concerned with Garland and Buherle making it, and having Mark getting the start.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) No, no it doesn't. Oh, thanks for that Gospel. I fgured 2 selections by the time a player was 24 was pretty good, especially when he isnt the only player on his team selected therefor going by default. But I guess your truth makes more sense.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) I can't BELIEVE people say they want Blalock here. I think this might be my favorite in regards to Blalock.... Guess who has the higher road OPS (three year splits -- basically their whole career) between Scott Podsednik and Hank Blalock by 38 points. Though I do a disservice to Scott because he IS a leadoff man after all. That's right. You guessed it. None other than Scotty P. Pods - .745 Blalock - .707 Disgusting. This might be my favorite in regards to Blalock. 3 year home OPS ..942 Konerko 3 year home OPS .940 manipulating stats is fun huh?