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Lets just take away half of the season of players we evaluate, to determine their true worth. Thats a correct way to measure players for sure.....

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 11:43 AM) What exactly does being an All-Star mean? Nothing. Oh sorry, I thought it meant you were good. Guess I misread that requirement.

QUOTE(jphat007 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 10:48 AM) I can't BELIEVE people say they want Blalock here. I think this might be my favorite in regards to Blalock.... Guess who has the higher road OPS (three year splits -- basically their whole career) between Scott Podsednik and Hank Blalock by 38 points. Though I do a disservice to Scott because he IS a leadoff man after all. That's right. You guessed it. None other than Scotty P. Pods - .745 Blalock - .707 Disgusting. totally, who want want the AL defensive leader at 3B on this team, and who needs a two time all star anyway? God, he's even too old at 25 to even mention this possibility. He has no power, and cant hit anyway!! God!!!! I mean, if the sox ever start playing every game on the road, he would be worthless!! What a horrible idea!!!

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Dec 19, 2005 -> 09:18 AM) He is protected for 3 years. He doesn't have a 3 year contract but he's under our control through 08. Hence the term "not locked up"

QUOTE(GreenSox @ Dec 18, 2005 -> 12:46 AM) We've got Crede locked up for 3 more years; there's no reason to trade him for a more expensive non-upgrade like Blalock. Kenny doesn't have to worry about signing him for 3 years, so what's the difference who his agent is? Well, because he isnt locked up for three more years and Blalock IS and upgrade over Crede, thats probably why.

I didnt know that Cliff was influential in developing Cotts.

Cooper: Contreras will get by without Duque December 16, 2005 BY JOE COWLEY With news of the White Sox' trade of Orlando Hernandez to Arizona on Wednesday came concern that the departure of "El Duque'' would affect Sox starter and fellow Cuban Jose Contreras. Sox pitching coach Don Cooper was quick to brush aside those concerns. "El Duque was good for Jose, just like Cliff Politte was good for Neal Cotts,'' Cooper said Thursday. "What they had in common was they were countrymen that both went through a lot to get here. One took a boat, one took a plane. "But Jose has come of age. Jose is a man. He's not a rookie. Looking at El Duque, it was just another comfort in company of a lot of support. I'm sure Jose is going to say something like, 'I'm sorry Duque is gone. He was a friend, he helped a lot, but I'm not back in the Atlantic with a life preserver on just coming here all over again.''' Hernandez, who was like a big brother as well as a coach to Contreras, received a lot of credit for Contreras' turnaround with the Sox last season. On the trading block after posting a 4-5 record and 4.26 ERA at the All-Star break, Contreras, 34, went 11-2 with a 2.96 ERA in the second half and 3-1 with a 3.09 ERA in four postseason starts. Hernandez was dealt to the Diamondbacks as part of a three-player package for pitcher Javier Vazquez. Contreras credited Hernandez with his turnaround, saying Hernandez approached him one day in July and told him to start pitching "like a Cuban again.'' That meant changing arm angles and going after hitters more aggressively. Contreras also credited Cooper and teammates Freddy Garcia and Mark Buehrle for advice and support. "Jose Contreras deserves the credit,'' Cooper said. "He threw the pitches. Jose has the blueprint now. A lot has evolved here. He has the best of his future lying ahead. I'm sure the two will stay in contact. I'm not overly concerned about that. "I do know that everybody was yelling for Jose's scalp in the first half of the season. Where was El Duque then? Jose exorcised a lot of demons.'' The acquisition of Vazquez has focused attention on the contract situations of Contreras and fellow starter Jon Garland. Both pitchers are due to be free agents after next season. Cooper frequently talks to his pitchers during the offseason but said the topic of Garland's contract status does not come up when he speaks with the right-hander. Garland, who is eligible for arbitration, turned down a three-year offer from the Sox two weeks ago. Several sources said Garland's posturing did not sit well with the organization, which was one reason it acquired Vazquez. "I don't go there,'' Cooper said of Garland's contract situation. "I call Jon to see how things are going. I want everyone back. That's not my area. My area is to coach the guys that are put under me. Do I have a soft spot in my heart for Garland? Sure, I do. I know what we went through with him. "As much as I want Garland back, Buehrle back, Freddy back, there's things I don't get involved in. I would love for him to come to terms with the White Sox, but I don't follow money. I don't even know how many years we have guys for or how much we have them for. I just concentrate on who is on the staff. Contracts don't affect my job.'' Daily Southtown

BTW, just celebrate Chrismikah Its the best holliday.

What school in DG? I went to public school in DG, and we never even touched on any jewish hollidays.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:26 AM) At least 3 times that I know of. And you have nothing to base their knowledge of baseball other than that they have a different opinion than yours about a particular subject. Pretty foolish to think you have a better understanding and knowledge of baseball just through that. Anyway, carry on. Does this mean you are going to stalk my PM box with 25 messages again? Back on ignore

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 10:26 AM) Ok, in seeing the number drop from $8 million reported to $3 million reported, I'm much less enthusiastic about this trade. It still doesnt take away from my supreme owning 2 pages back though.

QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:38 AM) I'm not trying to get anywhere. He's just as good of a hitter as everyone thinks, that's all I was saying. Based on what? Stop ignoring an argument and post something relevant. Here we go, I will be the one to actually post something of substance. 2002 Ranked 3rd RBI 16 hr (38) 2003 t-18 RBI (106) T-36 Hr (27) 2004 1st RBI (150) t-21 Hr (34) 2005 t-28 RBI (98) 26 HR pretty damn good consistency, with great defense at SS.

QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:34 AM) And I should care what the people on an internet message board thinks?? I never said he wasn't the best SS in baseball, I just said he wasn't one of the best hitters in baseball. Based on what?

QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:33 AM) OK again, this isn't anywhere near I was saying and is the general flaw with baseball knowledge (if you can call it that) on this board in general. I wasn't saying how he compared at his position. He is not one of the best offensive players in baseball, which is what people on here think, he might be one of the best SS's in baseball, but he doesn't produce like the top hitters in baseball do, thats all I was thinking. Who are these top hitter, and what are their numbers?

QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:29 AM) It's not so valuable that we need to give up a considerably better defensive SS, a starting pitcher and another top prospect (which was the deal being discussed here which everyone was saying they'd do in a heartbeat)....why give that up for production we don't need and to weaken our defense? Tejada is a VERY good defensive player, and would immediately probably best our best or 2nd best run producer. He has been one of the most consistent hitters in all of baseball. His 2 silver slugger awards over the past 2 years prove his hitting prowess. Being that he has never finished out of the top 20 in MVP voting shows that he is a perennial candidate for the award. He is an all star player, an MVP, and a downright superstar. He would immediatley be the BEST player on our team.

QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) Doesn't anyone on this board know how to do anything but copy and paste?? Yes, the whole first part was my typing. Tejada is an elite player You son, have taken a sip of the wacky juice.

QUOTE(valponick @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:21 AM) Explain. how about he has avg'ed about 130 RBI's over the past 4-6 years. 1 AL MVP 2 silver sluggers 3 time all star, His 162 game avg over his career is 28 hr, and 110 RBI. And now I will borrow some information from Scouts Inc. Miguel Tejada was inked to a six-year free-agent deal last winter to anchor the middle of the Orioles' lineup, and he didn't disappoint. His 2004 season was a model of consistency from start to finish. He tied his career high in home runs and set a personal best in RBI, leading the major leagues with 150 ribbies. With Alex Rodriguez moving to third base and Nomar Garciaparra in the National League, Tejada now is the Junior Circuit's most productive shortstop. Hitting Tejada generates his home-run power to left and left-center field. His doubles power ranges from foul line to foul line. Tejada's swing is more compact that it used to be, yet he struggles with soft-tossers. Finesse pitchers are able to keep him off stride and reduce his power. His slight uppercut swing allows groundball pitchers to keep the ball in the park and have success against him. Tejada remains one of the better hitters in the American League with runners in scoring position. He's more productive batting fourth than in the No. 3 spot. Baserunning & Defense While Tejada generated 24 errors in 2004, he still is considered one of the American League's top shortstops. His range is among the best in the league, especially going into the hole. Tejada has a plus arm and can make all the required throws. He's adept at turning the double play, recording a league-leading 118 at short last season. While he rarely steals a base, he can go from first to third on singles to right field. His speed allows him to score from second on most hits to the outfield. 2005 Outlook Tejada continues to be one of the marquee hitters in the American League. If the Orioles can add more depth to the lineup, his run production should remain close to his 2004 level. At age 28, he's entering the peak years of his career and could improve upon his 2004 season. Tejada is a perennial MVP candidate.

2007, he is arb elig after this season.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 11:05 AM) I don;t think we can rape Pittsburgh twice in 1 year.. or can we? Its been done before.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 06:00 PM) Was your source me? Chaveztalk.com - IT HAS RETURNED! wow

Signing big name RP for big contracts seem ridiculous to me. Half of the extremely productive bullpen arms every season are low-payed or call ups. Look at the payroll of our bullpen arms. Our best arms are on minor league contracts. Polite is cheap, Hermy is relatively cheap. Ridiculous.

QUOTE(Frank the Tank 35 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 10:04 PM) Furcal is getting paid more than him next year. He will make as much as PK next year. For a guy who hit like 150 rbis two seasons ago, I have to disagree with your opinion. He avg's 130 RBI FWIW.

I still think that the Angels would be the best trading partner for Garland. SoCal, they need an innings eater, they have the money to sign him long term, and prospects to give up.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 16, 2005 -> 08:20 AM) I have read the thread. This is not the first time you have used this comment against someone. You have used it at least 3 times that I know of. It is ridiculous to think that you know more about baseball than anyone else here. 3 times=3 people. Sorry.

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) OK 6 of one half dozen of another. if they move him (1B), it will stay take longer to develop. By the way we are loaded at first base as well. Bye bye to fields...later though. Nice to see you back BTW.