RockRaines

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:37 PM) OK 6 of one half dozen of another. if they move him (1B), it will stay take longer to develop. By the way we are loaded at first base as well. Bye bye to fields...later though. I've thought for some time now that fields will end up making his debut with another team.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:33 PM) Has White Sox Josh taken over Nitetrain's body? wow, LMFAO

QUOTE(quickman @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:32 PM) Furthermore this does tell you that Josh Fields is coming along slower than expected and may take just as long as Joe did to reach the majors. If Blalock does come don't expect fields to hit the majors until he is compeltely out of options or I suspect he will be traded sometime later in the year for a quick pick up on someone. This deal doesnt need to tell us that, we can look at the way he has been playing. The guy has a cannon but has s*** for footwork, and is not progressing as a 3B as we thought he would. I still think he will end up playing some 1B before its said or done.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) Yes, because K'ing is much better than hitting a SacFly Out or a groundball to advance the runner. Definately KW and Ozzie's type of player.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:59 PM) Luis Castillo was traded this past offseason. That must mean he's a lock for the HOF. exactly, way to ruin your point of a players reputation being based on whether or not he is traded. Trades happen to all sorts of players.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:58 PM) Exactly why I think this rumor is BS. Wilkerson is not a KW type player at all. Agreed, I dont think he would be a player we would be after.

QUOTE(southsideirish @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) The way you write it seems to lead one to believe that you think you are the only one that knows about the game of baseball. You have told more than one person now that they don't know the game of baseball because you do not like their opinion. To think that you know more than anyone here is a pretty IGNORANT thing to believe. And how you get this belief about someone from a couple of posts a person makes on a message board about an opinion he/she has is beyond me. Read the thread first before you want to make a general statement about me.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:47 PM) If he's such a stud player, then why is he one of the guys they are always willing to give up in trades? I liked the Pods trade simply because it gave us a leadoff hitter not named Aaron Rowand. A-rod got traded, does that mean he is bad?

QUOTE(TheHammer @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:43 PM) Nitetrain let me guess, you probably defended the Podsednik for CLee trade citing, for one, that Podsednik hit much better two seasons ago than last season. But now that your favorite player is being discussed you only want to look at those 2005 numbers. Can't go back a year or two for Blalock, have to just cite the worst season of his career. Blalock is a stud, all-star caliber player. Crede is just a solid average starter at third. 2 time all star to be exact, by the age of 24.

QUOTE(Chisoxrd5 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:40 PM) Easiest way to answer this thread. Lets say hypothetically that Blalock and Crede have the same exact stats. Identical in every way. Blalock's value is higher because of his Lefthanded bat. It's not even close, anytime you can get LH power from the 3B spot it is a huge advantage over most teams in the league. And he is younger, led the league defensively this year, has a GREAT contract, and is healthier.

QUOTE(fathom @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:37 PM) Plain and simple... Hank Blalock is better than Joe Crede. YUP, that is the plain and simple truth. Offensively, defensively, age, contract, health. s*** even batting stance, he is better.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:33 PM) Good grief.. let the guy live in his world in peace. Its a strange, strange world, beyond reality.

And we would sign him to play where?

Officially the most one-sided thread of the year.

QUOTE(Steff @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:31 PM) Hmm... is this thing on... tap, tap... I'll elaborate a bit more. It's still '05 and it's obvious (apparently, possibly, maybe only to me... ) that he's talking about this years team which, IMO... would be the one that played in '05 and just won the series. Yes, but apparently the best team in the MLB THIS year, cant touch the Blue Jays of NEXT year.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:04 PM) Obviously, you didn't read correctly when I said this year's Toronto team vs the same White Sox team from last year carried over. Man you're a dumbass. Oh im sorry, I forgot the part where I SIM'd the season with their new players, if you think that the addition of those players would make them better than the World Champs, please prove it, because I did it as well as could be done, considering they havent played the season yet. It was nice of you to call me a dumbass and all, but im not the one trying to prove that an AVG team is better than a team that won the World Series, going 11-1 in the playoffs and tearing through the regular season. I should buy you a shovel to help you dig the "i know nothing about baseball, but im trying to argue anyway" hole that you have made for yourself today. Between this ignorant argument, your suspicious man-love of Crede, and your lack of knowledge about the game of baseball, I think you have solidified the worst poster of the year award on this board. I award you no points, and may god have mercy on your soul.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:26 PM) Dude stop Im crying over here from laughing so hard.. How many times last year did we hear hawk go.. Crede pops up?!?!?! He a freakin MVP candidate in this thread.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:21 PM) But I'm saying, you put Crede in the 3-4-5 hole like Blalock is and you have the same numbers as Blalock. There is not much of a difference at all. And I'm not say Crede would be a .300 hitter, but I'm saying around .270-.280. And protection does affect a hitter. So.... same numbers huh???? Yeah.....well I guess his OBP would jump up 30 points, and he wouldnt miss those breaking balls down and away so much, because he would have hitters around him.....and well.....I guess his consistency and his swing would just solidify and fix itself because of the lineup card....

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) Cleveland has a pretty good staff. The Tigers have 2 good pitchers. Royals have like 1. Seattle doesn't have a great staff. Oakland does, but Harden was injured for more than half the year. The Angels had Colon and that's it. Yeah you are right, Cleveland and Detroit have better staffs for sure. Why the hell did the Angels even make it to the ALCS anyway, they suck!!!

QUOTE(FGarcia34 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) Blalock >>> Crede Final Answer. Well everyone knows that, except nitetrain.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:14 PM) Dude, you don't have to say dude, so much. Okay dude? I'm not a surfer trying to hang 10. I showed you the numbers and you chose to ignore them. Again, I'm not saying Crede is a much better player than Blalock, I would rate them in the same bracket of 3B. I see no point in trading a 3B for another one when it's not an upgrade. If you even leave them in the same spots in the order, what you get from Crede on the road is equal to what you would get from Blalock at home assuming he would be able to hit at our home. You're just trading away more HR's and RBI's in one park for RBI's & HR's on the road. Dude.......

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 04:10 PM) .252AVG, 22HR's, 62RBI's. That's out of the 9 slot with no protection and not really a spot in which you could produce mass RBI's. In the 3-4-5 role like Blalock, I think he would get at least 90 RBI's with 28 HR's and a .270avg with protection. Put Blalock in the 9 hole with no protection, he probably gets around the same or less than Crede. You do know there is a reason he doesnt hit in the heart of the order. Because he is not that good, and not that consistent of a hitter. You cant just say, well, Royce Clayton may hit 200 at the bottom of the order, but if you put him at the 3rd spot he will hit 285. its just not that way.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:57 PM) I suggest you relook at the number of at bats. It's not even close to 12 at bats. 37 at bats since 2003 to be exact. You do realize that at least 1 player from each team makes the All-Star team right? Even the Kansas City Royals get a All-Star rep. He's not the better player unless you somehow find a way to bring the Texas air and Ameriquest Field to Chicago. I could care less about the contract since Crede's isn't up for another 2 years and we have Fields in the minors. Yeah, but "you don't know what you're talking about" is a sure strong argument Rock. And I showed you the reason why Blalock is a better offensive player earlier in the thread and I told you once again why he has better offensive numbers. I don't think I'm the one who should be logging off for a bit. Wow, I guess those 37 at bats is a pretty good split. Usually we determine a players worth by about 10 games. Come on dude. Yes, every team gets an all-star, whats your point? Are you saying the he didnt deserve it? Or he was the only player on the team who went? Please say that, please/ Dude, I showed you numbers, I showed you expert rankings, I showed you defensive rankings, I showed you opinions. You still wont budge. Anybody out there who watched and knows baseball, knows that Crede is not as good a player as Blalock. Even if his home splits are better, so what? That is still part of who he is as a player. Crede sucks at home, does that mean we should just take into account that he is only the player that he is at home? You cant ignore certain parts of a person's game and compare them, our pitchers all have different home/away splits, does that mean that they arent as good as a player? No. Crede is not as good as Blalock, offensively OR defensively. And he is sure as hell more healthy and better at his age than Crede was. He has a higher ceiling and has already shown his ability.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:47 PM) Fine Starting Pitching White Sox > Blue Jays Bullpen Blue Jays > White Sox Hitting Blue Jays > White Sox Fielding Blue Jays > White Sox(sox are hot at the corners, but Blue Jays are hot up the middle which saves you more runs) hahahahahahaaha!!!!!!!!!!!! So, let me get this straight. The Bullpen of the sox, which was 2nd in the MLB in saves, and who were one of the best in baseball all year, now is not as good as Toronto's who ranked 28th in saves. Or we could go stat by stat whereas the sox had a better ERA, wins, losses, WHIP, K/BB, K/9, BAA, and OPS. Now defensively the teams had the same FPCT, the sox had less errors, more dp's and more put outs. But the jays are better, right Of course on offense you are ignoring the 65 more hr's we hit and the 20 point SLG advantage as well.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Dec 15, 2005 -> 03:35 PM) I showed you what Blalock hit in the Cell. He only had 1 good year. Even when you average that in, he's in the mid-.200's avg. He sucks in the 2nd half. Crede helped carry us in the 2nd half, Blalock wouldn't have. Crede road > Blalock road Blalock Home > Crede Home Crede 2nd Half > Blalock 2nd half. Dude, how can you say he doesn hit at the cell. He had like 12 at bats. Come on master of all splits. Blalock is a 2 time all star at age 25. His offensive numbers are superior. He led the Al 3B defensively. He is a better player, give it up. His numbers are better, his contract will be better, his health is better. You dont know what you are talking about. You want to go straight numbers, fine, I showed them to you , Crede is an Avg offensive player, he ranks as the 19th 3B, Blalock ranks 6th. Seriously, just log off for a bit.