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QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 07:50 PM) Ok, now you know very well how wrong that remark is...or at least you should. Every single person here should care how much Abreu is making...because you can't build an entire team with just Abreu. We have money that we need to give to Garland, Pierzynski, Crede and Konerko this year...and next year Buehrle enters an option year and Contreras is a FA. Dump money on Abreu, and all of a sudden there's nothing left to keep Buehrle, and he winds up a damn Cardinal...and we all curse KW for not resigning MB. Abreu is a better hitter than Konerko and Dye and everyone on our team. If you get Abreu you really have no need to sign Konerko if you dont want to. The count will be gone after this year most likely, and they will never let MB go. Crede will leave eventually, so we have to get used to that idea anyway.

QUOTE(JimH @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:25 PM) It makes sense. And Guillen likes Juan Pierre, so there's a match. Not saying anything will happen, but there's a fit. Theres a fit why? Because YOU think Guillen likes him? The guy doesnt fit on our team, bar none. We dont need another light hitting Lead off man with a s***ty arm who gets bad jumps on balls. No way no how.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Nov 18, 2005 -> 06:03 AM) You can't blame them for giving it a shot. That means that Gio, Liotta, Haig, maybe ever BMAC is in their sights for Thome. And I wouldnt do that deal.

Heres the thing: Scott Eyre. Ok, he is a good lefty reliever, yeah he can get some lefties out. Compare our bullpen, the twins, Cle, and the cubs. So they go out and get Scott Eyre. Does he look to be any better than many of the pitchers that are on those 3 AL Central division teams? Would you think Scott Eyre is a shut-down reliever? Seems to me that they are overpaying just because he is a lefty. Frankly I would rather have one of our righties over Scott Eyre at that cost. Has anyone looked up his stats lately? Career Era's by year 1997-2005 5.04 5.38 7.56 6.63 3.45 4.97 1.59- 11 IP 4.46 3.32 4.10 2.63 Looks like his career avg is about what he usually performs at. His career ERA is 4.52. Marte's is about 3.20. Polite is just a hair over 4. Both guys make lots less money that Eyre, and are better pitchers overall. Saying that this guy is overpaid, is almost an understatement.

INsider Cameron for Nady ... really? posted: Thursday, November 17, 2005 | Feedback When the offseason dust settles and pitchers and catchers report to spring training in mid-February, a common refrain will be that the Mets had the best offseason of any team in the majors. They are in a commanding position to sign Billy Wagner to be their closer, they inevitably will land whoever they think is the best catcher on the market, and they will add a big-time bat this winter, whether it's Manny Ramirez or perhaps Carlos Delgado or somebody else. It's as if Omar Minaya has $10,000 to spend on a couple of new suits: No matter what he does, he's almost certain to look good with the new duds. All that said, I don't get the Mike Cameron for Xavier Nady trade. And some of Minaya's peers around baseball don't get it, either. It's a terrible deal. I wish I could tell you what Minaya was thinking, precisely, but he has begun to develop a Dan Duquette-like habit of failing to return phone calls. Without Minaya filling in the blanks for himself, I've been sitting here trying to understand how it is that in a market starved for good center fielders -- and Cameron is a great center fielder -- he settled for a player who has demonstrated all the signs of being a journeyman. Some possible rationales: • Maybe another team dangling a heavy hitter -- the Red Sox, perhaps -- told Minaya they wanted Nady, specifically. • Maybe the Mets ownership insisted that Minaya make sure he got Cameron's contract off the books before offers were made to Wagner, Ramon Hernandez, etc. • Maybe Minaya really sees something in Nady that others don't see, as a possible platoon partner with Mike Jacobs at first base, or as a corner outfielder. But the problem is that no matter what the reason was for making this deal right now, the Mets could have and should have done better, because Cameron simply has more value in the current market than Nady. "I heard they were talking about that, but I couldn't believe it was true," an executive with another team said. "Now I wish I had called and offered to make a deal for him and then moved him to another team, because you could've gotten a lot more for him." The executive pointed out that Cameron had "a perfect storm" of value: • He is a solid veteran player with a unique ability (center field defense), and a time when there is a dearth of quality center fielders in the big leagues. Teams like the Padres, Yankees, Rangers, Cubs and Dodgers went into the winter knowing they probably would have to land a center fielder. • The free-agent market stinks, and teams are looking to deal for help, rather than overpay a free agent. • Cameron has cost certainty, with just one year remaining on his current deal, at $6.5 million. And unless he gets hurt, you can rest assured that he will have value in trade next June or July. Nady hit well against left-handers last season, batting .323. But let's face it, the Padres are dying for offense, they're about to lose Brian Giles, and they are willing to deal a guy they drafted and developed; that should tell you something. And while Nady is five years younger than Cameron, and is now 27 years old, we recall past words of Bobby Valentine: A major leaguer who is hitting well at 21 or 22 years old, that's a good young player, someone who can be expected to develop into something much more than he is. Nady, at 27, is not a young player anymore. He's had playing time in four different big-league seasons and has yet to establish himself as an everyday player. In the year that Cameron turned 27, he already had three seasons of 141 or more games. Nady has never played in more than 124 games in any season, and 269 games in all, and he's got a lifetime average of .263, and an on-base percentage of .320. When you heard the flip side of the deal yesterday -- Mike Cameron for ... -- you kept waiting for more names to be added. The Mets will be fine, with more big deals to come. But this was a missed opportunity. And with the Padres probably facing a rough season ahead, they will be poised to deal Cameron by mid-summer. Let's open the speculation right now: There is at least a 50-50 chance Cameron will finish the 2006 season as the center fielder in The Bronx. Adam Rubin adds some detail to the Mets' machinations. John Harper also weighs the merits of the deal.

I already got her voicemail, guess im moving to NV.

Heres the best part: Not only are the cubs fans loving this move, they are begging for AJ Burnett as well. Wow, they could easily take the all time MRI record with that rotation.

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 05:02 PM) Last I checked, even though all Sox fans want it, Giambi was and still is the 2000 AL MVP. Nah, hes not, I promise

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 03:46 PM) You have Golden Tee in your condo? I'll be right over. workin on it. I have a guy who said I could get golden tee live for 1800 bucks. Seems to goodt o be true. But if it isnt, you are more than welcome. Beers, cigars, golden tee, whitesox games, is this heaven?

QUOTE(kapkomet @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 04:29 PM) Interest rates are going up, yes, but they are still at historical lows. It's going from a BOOMING market to a reasonable market. If they had to cut back already, the company was horribly managed, IMO. There's still a lot out there in the industry, at least as I understand it. Eggg-zactly. Although im happy about my 5.75 that I just got!!!

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 04:53 PM) Thomas was the 1Bman for the '93 and '94 teams. He played 150 games at 1B in '93, and 99 games at 1B in 1994. It was George Bell and Julio Franco who largely DH'ed for the Sox during those years. In 2000, he did DH...but he again, came up short. A very similar situation to the ARod-Ortiz debacle this year, actually. IN 2000 he won though. Giambi cheated, so he really doesnt count.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) i respect you, i really do. EDIT: even if you dont feel the same way. nice,

I will tell you what, I would NEVER pay Jeter 19 million to play for my team.

We dont need another Pods. I dont understand how hard this is to comprehend. He makes more money than Scotty, and wasnt as good last year. If you want him in center, forget it, I would rather have A-row AND Anderson.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 04:22 PM) I do go to school. You had to know that considering how intelligent i am. EH, it counts for a little. Dont forget I went to grad school

I agree with RNW, and hes nowhere to be found to read it?

I only like wines from Italy and Australia for some reason, the rest all taste strange to me.

Dude my list is retarded so im not sure I will be any help. I just bought a new condo im going to move into so alot of stuff I want are house related. Like Golden Tee, Ms Pacman Cocktail machine etc etc. I know you already have it, but for others who want ideas, I have the pioneer xm 2 go unit, and seriously its my favorite thing of all time.

I think you wont have too much trouble finding a gig, luckily you are in a currently flouishing market. I wonder why they downsized?

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 02:21 PM) I would do Rowand for Sheffield were it not for the issue of Sheffield demanding an extension if he is traded. I believe he is a FA after this year because I think he signed a three year deal and has been a Yank for two years. I don't believe option years were involved although deferred money was. Sheffield in this park in a contract year could be phenomenal but you'd need to feel him out to make sure he isn't goign to be a prick when he comes here. Sheffield would be probably one of the top 3 DH's in the league however. And would absolutley mash in this park.

Would anyone trade A-row for sheffield to DH? Im not even sure if Sheff isnt a FA, just a question.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 12:58 PM) I think your right about that, expect for the Owens. I dont think Owens is ready, and has no spot on this yet, so it would be dumb to let him rot on the bench. I I still think Owens could be the added speed that everyone says Ozzie is looking for. The guy can fly, and gets on base.

NS, dont get me restarted on Gload....

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 12:29 PM) So if your saying if we save money by just re-signing Frank, and sign a good backup like you say, who is going to sit on teh bench and wait for Thomas to get hurt? Obviously your saying that we need to save money for this backup hitter, so who is going to cost alot to sit on the bench? Just trying to fuel the debate fire Tony........

Who will protect Konerko if Thome gets hurt? Thats a serious question we need to have answered. Thome would be the best hitter on the team if we got him to DH. And our lineup would be more dangerous. But for the same money we could have Frank and maybe one more hitter to back him up.