RockRaines

I just wish the hawks would field a competitive team one of these years. Im getting sick of writing them off.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 06:24 PM) That sounds like a Bruuuuceee Levine special. Carpet bombing!!!!!!

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 08:53 AM) I would make that trade in a second. Rowand and Marte will earn a combined $5.5 million in 2006. If the Phillies pay half of Thome's $43.5 million remaining contract, he would only cost an average of $7.25 million per season for 3 years. Anderson would replace Rowand and the lineup would be better all around. We would have a nice lefty #3 hitter that could play first base if Konerko leaves and also DH to stay healthy. Your lineup is wrong though. Thome would bat third and Konerko would bat fourth. Thome is more of a #3 hitter than Konerko is and it would also split up the lefties and righties that way. But you're right about the improvement to the lineup. Jim Thome & Brian Anderson >>>>> Carl Everett & Aaron Rowand OK, let me ask you this. Thome is coming off a major injury. What if he gets hurt again? Then what?

QUOTE(SSH2005 @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 09:05 AM) According to ESPN 1000's update, Bruce Levine is reporting that the Cubs have made a "serious long-term offer" to Scott Eyre. The report said that both parties are committed to getting the deal done. http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c...SPG6QFPOHV1.DTL "Eyre all but gone: Free-agent Reliever Scott Eyre, one of the most valuable members of the 2005 Giants, has decided he wants to pitch closer to his Florida home and has narrowed his choice to the Cubs, Cardinals, Astros and Braves, his representative said Wednesday night. Agent Tommy Tanzer expects to get Eyre a three-year deal worth at least $9 million." I feel a regression for Eyre is he goes to the cubs, another bust year for pitchers under that horrendous coaching staff. Then again, if this is Bruce Levin reporting, he probably hasnt even talked to the cubs yet.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 17, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) all of espn, all of the people who didn't vote for Ortiz. basically everyone who didnt vote for Ortiz that had a say in who won this award believed that a dh could not win it. I think, even though your preference is understood, you make a good point on who was more valuable as far as the offensive side of things. Ortiz probably had more to do with wins with his bat than A-rod. BUt this has turned into a numbers game, and A-rods numbers were better, and he plays btoh sides of the ball which gives him an advantage. But a DH can win it. Frank has 2 (3) MVP's.

In fact, I will assume that we are putting Pierre in the place of A-row. Pierre .305 .355 .375 A-row .283 .337 .451 So you are gaining a little more time on base, but losing a bunch of power and run producing. Also you are losing some fielding prowess and losing payroll flexibility. IMO the pluses for A-row far outweigh the pluses for JP.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 06:03 PM) I think everyone agrees as the current team is concocted, he has no place on the team. The argument on whether or not the guy is a bum like you and some others are making him out to be. It's not like the guy came back from 2 broken legs and is turning 43 in December. He had one bad year. Big whoop. It's a bad logic to think that someone is done after having one bad year. I'm glad K-Dub doesn't think along your lines, because in that case we would SUCK EVEN MORE! I guess imitation is the highest form of flattery. Serious though, when did I say he was a bum? He is Scotty Pods, with a higher salary. A salary that would take away possible options for upgrading at positions where we actually need upgrades. This is making a move to make a move, and we need to address our needs.

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:59 PM) Cas some people on this board aren't smart enough to realize that and just think a move would be "too big" for the White Sox. And I'm seen as a pessimist around here, ha. Well, you have to admit, it feels a bit too Griffey.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Nov 11, 2005 -> 02:06 AM) PK won't be on the red sox, I'll guarantee you that. I highly doubt Cliff gets traded and Uggy won't be brought in either. Urbina will be too busy trying not to drop the soap

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:39 PM) According to this logic, the White Sox should have never traded for Jose Contreras, should have never signed AJ Pierzynski, and it also makes the Carlos Lee trade one of the worst in recent history. Pierre is coming off a down year offensively, and is a FA after the '06 season IIRC, meaning his value is at an all-time low. You bring him in for a solid, but not spectacular pitcher(I could see perhaps a package of simply Marte and Harris working for Pierre, to be quite honest...in fact, I almost view that as overpriced, but it's doable. Obviously, you would not make just that trade without trading Rowand, because by trading for Pierre, you then really kill any value Rowand had...or perhaps you increase it, with multiple teams going after him knowing he is available). When the guy is right, he's a .310 hitter, putting up 40 XBHs a year, getting on at a .375 clip, and stealing 50-70 bases(though not always at the standard 75% productive rate). I'm also not sure where you get this bad defensive play. His talent alone lets him catch up to balls he misreads, and while he has a noodle arm, a good arm is not a necessity out of a CFer. You just want excellent range, something Pierre does have. Personally...I'd love Pierre in Chicago. I'd hate to see Rowand go, because I love the guy, but by bringing in Pierre, you are satisfying Ozzie's thirst for more speed. You can then look to build Rowand up as a good hitter with solid power with just great defense all-around, and you either get a hell of a good package for him, or you use him as a bigger part of a package for another hitter. You then look to resign PK and go from there. Pierre has no place on this team. Offensive prodcution goes down, and defensive liabilities go up. Not only that but our payroll goes up essentially from adding Scott Podsednik part 2. Im glad that KW wouldnt think along these lines, because we would SUCK.

QUOTE(shakes @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:34 PM) There's about 50 people a day that do it on this very site. They just don't have a microphone or get paid for it. I'll bet many of them even have better sources. Heres Bruce Levines job The White Sox have inquired about the availability of Alex Rodriguez as a possible replacement for joe Crede, they are concerned about his back for the upcoming season. And let the message boards erupt.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) Yea, I really don't care who wins either, but with that mindset, I don't get the voting process as a whole. If a DH can't win the MVP, why can he be voted second? Ortiz, Hafner, etc. should have either won it slash been where they are, or not have been in the running at all. There is no inbetween. Hey, I said it before, it should be the player who is most valuable to his TEAM, not by the numbers. But since they have made it by the numbers, A-rod is your clear winner because he plays both sides, he has superior offense, and he has put outs. I still think the whole system is messed up, because they dont take into account who is on the team, how good the team would be without them, and what they have done as far as winning games for their teams.

QUOTE(fathom @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:29 PM) I completely agree with you. This is what happens when people listen to Bruce Levine. :banghead No kidding, I wonder how hard it is to do his job sometimes.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:28 PM) Alright, let's pull it in just a little bit. Do NOT expect to see both Konerko and Thome etched in the same 2006 lineup together on the Southside of Chicago. Thome would be a member of the Pale Hose, if, and only if, Konerko's contract demand can not be met, or the Sox wish to part ways with Paulie. You will not be seeing both in the same lineup...at least not in Black and Silver. If you erase Thome from last year, he is the better player.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) Unless things change big time, (Which they could, we did just win the World Series) I dont see the Sox being stuck with these huge contracts. The one thing the Sox have never had to worry about in the offseason is trying to find someone to take on a huge contract we are trying to unload. While that also means we dont dish out the $$$, it can also be a blessing. Like most have said, unless the Marlins pay a good amount of Delgados contract, I dont see the Sox paying a 36-37 year old 18 mil. Just not there ways. Agree, its just not the case. Frankly its either Konerko or this plan of Delgado. There is no way we will do both, especially with the raises that our players are due. Its just not in the cards.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 05:17 PM) you were miffed that I or anyone for that matter could even consider Ortiz the Most Valuable Player in the American League. Thats how your making yourself look foolish. It's unclear for many reasons, you're just to ignorant to realize it. Im not miffed, nor do I care who wins. I just find it hard to believe that anyone can make a case for a DH, with worse offensive stats, winning the MVP over a position player. It just doesnt make logical sense. Im not attacking you, just that position.

Ummmm something i dont think anyone has pointed out yet. But I DO believe that Thome is the most dangerous opposing team hitter who has ever played at the Cell. At least one of the most dangerous, I think he has hit the most Hr's there by an opposing hitter, i could be wrong, and im not going to look it up but I think its around 18

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 04:38 PM) give me a break, rock. you're making yourself look like a fool. it could be argued, and most Yankee fans would agree, that Rivera, Jeter, and Matsui are all more important pieces to that Yankee team than Alex Rodriguez. stop with the bitterness, Ortiz could just have easily won that award and in my opinion without question should have. if its so farfetched to have that same mindset as i, why did he recieve so many first place votes? How am I making myseld look like a fool? A-rod is more valuable than Ortiz, look at the numbers, he is better offensively and defensively than Ortiz. How is that unclear?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Nov 15, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) jayson stark solidifed my argument in balta's link provided above. how do you say... you got owned? Yes, because he is the end all be all of sports knowledge. Why dont you back up that argument with a Gammons quote and I will give you a penny. A-rod=better offensive stats-plays defense Ortiz=worse stats in the only position he plays A-rod is more valuable to his team. If you like I will build a nice business case around the actual worth of a resource to a company (team) and someone who is productive 100 percent more often will always come out on top. Thanks anyway.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:19 PM) Her dad is great (as is my dad) it's the moms we have to contend with. hahahaha.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) No s***. Who said they wanted Delgado for the #2 spot? I want him for the #3 spot. Wheres he gonna play? Where is all the money going to come from. He would be the highest paid player on the team by far.

QUOTE(AddisonStSox @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:15 PM) This guy is trash. The other team in this city can have him. Pass. I welcome your statistics. I agree, where would he play, why would we do that to ourselves, and whose idea was this. All of a sudden there is a notion on this board to make our OF the lightest hitting bunch in the MLB, weird.

QUOTE(sox4lifeinPA @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 03:13 PM) Miss PA = Unmarried = PA Unhappy Mrs PA = Married = PA Happy dont do it!!!!!!!! Whenever I think of such things, I just take a look at the divorce rate, that is one thing I dont believe in. Good luck to you, getting passed the father is the hard part!!

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Nov 16, 2005 -> 11:51 AM) LMAO Sounds like Club Palindrome in Palatine/Schaumburg. I dont know if that place is still open, but when i was in high school it was the same thing minus the lame Alien show. Oh god, went went there once, didnt even make it inside, just turned around and left.

Yes, lets sit down the Worlds Series MVP, that is a very common thought?? Who passed out the crack?