RockRaines

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:42 PM) I just want to bump this considering earlier in this thread you advised me not to be an english major. FYI, I was a psych major.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:39 PM) Messing around or not, that brings up another good point. Right now David Ortiz is the biggest bargain in the game aswell. Keep digging, pal. It was a joke, actually takin a shot at A-rod. Teens are so moody.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:34 PM) Im glad you've come to your senses, and I feel no need to continue to discuss the first part of your post because it would only waste time. As for how a DH can win over a player who plays gold... well hold on a second here, lets stop right there. Slappy is second to last in both his Zone Rating and Range Factor and is middle of the pack for all other statistics. With that being said, the statistics are a tad misleading, because slappy is a solid third baseman, but he doesn't deserve the gold glove, isn't a gold glove third baseman, and is only being percieved as one for something you've accused me of multiple times, popularity and bias. not to mention i don't think its fair to penalize a player for a team placing him at a position where he has the best chance to succeed and help his team win. Come to my senses? What part of thinking Hafner was more valuable to his team than either one of those guys? If you take Manny out of the Boston lineup, does he hit as well? I dont think so. And I said gold glove caliber defense, which I think he does, considering he is a SS. In no way does he deserve the gold glove. Ortiz doesnt deserve the MVP, plain and simple. He is HALF as valuable to his team as A-rod is, because he only plays HALF the game A-rod does. Offense is fine and dandy to the casual fan, but I feel that it is only half the game.

QUOTE(Buehrle>Wood @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 04:25 PM) It was more of a joke, nothing directed towards you or David Ortiz, so check your insecurity at the door. I just find it funny that the media won't even dare mention names outside David Ortiz or Alex Rodriguez. I got the joke, so at least 50 percent success rate at that. I dont understand it either. I think the overall value of the player should weigh more than just their offensive numbers pure and simple. I really do think that A-rod is extremely valuable, not only for his bat, but his excellent defense. On another note. If you look at the word value. Shouldnt the cost of the player relative to the teams payroll be factored in? Just a suggestion. Because then A-rod would just be living up to his price tag, not really a value.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:44 PM) Infact, I wouldn't doubt the White Sox bandwagon has grown this season more than the Red Sox did upon winning the World Series. I remember going to the 2000 ALDS and walking up on the day of the game and getting three solid lower deck seats. What a difference five years makes. I guess that means the White Sox are now the Cubs too? wow, just wow. Are you serious? Re-read what you just wrote, I quoted it above, and ask yourself, does this make sense? Can I compare the fanbase of the cubs and the white sox? Is it possible that OUR bandwagon grew more than the world champion Red Sox, who had a movie made about them, had players on a gay makeover show, and have been constantly on ESPN every second of the day. When the white sox arent even the biggest draw in their OWN city. Please, dont compare the two teams or the fan bases. The Red Sox, Yankees, and Cubs are always going to be the popular teams. Thats it. They are the easiest team to jump on the bandwagon for. And for the integrity of every white sox fan who GREW UP in this town, please dont compare the two.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:40 PM) What on earth are you talking about? Age, race, the color of the sky.. none of that should matter in this argument. Normally I would never say someone's opinion is wrong, but its tough with you, because nine times out of ten thats exactly what you are. David Ortiz has out performed Travis Hafner not only this year statistically, but down the stretch as well. As for Slappy, it's a good debate, a great one infact. However, Ortiz was 19 for 48 with nine homers and 23 RBIs from the seventh inning on with a chance to tie or put the Red Sox ahead. Not even Slappy can say that. It was said yesterday on ESPN by one of the analysts, a channel I normally enjoy watching for its comedy, that David Ortiz is the most feared hitter in baseball right now. Alex Rodriguez isn't even the most feared hitter on his team. David Ortiz will win the MVP, and any such praise he has gotten has been more than deserved. Oh geez, I would love to argue with you, but it would be easier if you would stick to what I said, and stop trying to steer the argument somewhere else. I said Hafner wasnt as good statistically, and alot of that has to do with his time off. But he also was more valuable on a team with less proection around him, coming from behind in a race, and a lower payroll. But I still think Ortiz is better, he's my keeper on fantasy for three years, I know how good he is. It comes down to this, and please, argue if you can. If the offensive numbers are equal, why should the DH win over a player who plays gold glove defense as well?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:01 PM) This isn't a popularity contest, we all know that the large market teams have first prize wrapped up there. the fact of the matter is that fans of any team are going to have people who do crazy things, afterall the word "fan" is short for fanatic. Stop being a fool, youre better than that, I suggest you quit while youre behind. You should make sure you dont major in english in college. Because your comprehension skills leave much to be desired. My post wasnt about people doing "crazy things." It was about the national attention focused on the teams. And the fact that the Red Sox bandwagon has crept past capacity since the WS title, really contributes to the fact that the Red Sox are now the Cubs of the east. And their fans reflect as such. You unjustly compared sox fans to what I said about the attention focused on the Yankees and Red Sox. If you think that they are equal I would suggest maybe watching TV or reading the paper once in awhile. Its ok that your post was wrong, but try not to get too snippy when you are replying next time son.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 03:03 PM) Hahaha. Hafner are you kidding me? The case can be made for A-Rod, but Hafner? I was wrong, you aren't better than that. Again quit while you're behind. Listen son. When you grow up you will realize that you need to form your own opinions. Until then, your high school brain will continue to grow and mature beyond its current state. Yes Hafner, becaue I still think that MVP should be the most valuable player, not the most popular. I think Hafner's performance down the stretch on the hottest team in baseball at the time was MVP worthy. And in all honestly, if Mark hadnt knocked him out of the lineup for several weeks, his stats may have been better than your man-crush. Ortiz and A-rod are on the two richest teams, surrounded by all-star talent. Ortiz is protected by who might be one of the best right handed hitting players of all time. This is all besides the point. Ortiz does not deserve the MVP this year because not only is A-rod as good offensively, he actually plays the field, and is a great player on that side of the ball as well. He is a better player, is in the game 100 percent more often, and therefore is more valuable. Thanks for playing.

Here is the thing. I dont think its him. The tigers main core of players seem to be lazy and have bad attitudes. Their whole demeanor towards the game is a notch below most teams. I do not see this club doing much in the future.

nice work, I hope I can make it.

RV, that is awesome.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) Would have liked to seen Brandon on the roster, just because its Brandon, but like its already been stated, he wouldnt be avaiable for a few days anyway. Really like Willie on the roster. On ESPN 1000, they had 24 men on and Willie was off. When they found out Willie was 25, I was excited. Nice to have that speed on the bench. willie is actually a good late inning defensive replacement, sort of like boston did lat year. He is better with the glove than Tad, and I think it was confirmed as such this weekend.

QUOTE(alexgtp @ Oct 3, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) blum can play all infield positions. what if someone gets hurt..? will gload be able to play at SS?3rd? 2nd? HE might not be the best bat but he can fill in positions.. Im glad willie made it his speed will be an important factor!! I hope..LOL!! no, but pablo can.

Blum???? Can someone tell me one good thing Blum has done for this team?

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 12:56 AM) Yes, because no White Sox fan would gather around a Paul Konerko or Mark Buehrle who was using a porta potty, or perhaps fans bidding on ebay a while back for Aaron Rowands used toothbrush wasn't enough.. Only Red Sox and Yankee fans are crazy. You're hatred makes you seem foolish. Dont make yourself look ignorant. To equate white sox fans with Red sox and yankees fans is ridiculous. We arent even the most popular team in our own city. Come on man.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Oct 1, 2005 -> 12:50 AM) It's a historic season for the way he's put up those numbers, not so much for them, even though his numbers are absolutely incredible. what a stupid post... what do you mean by the way he put up the numbers? Is he using a special bat, or closing one eye? Either way, Pronk and A-rod deserve it more. I actually like mike Young's season as well, even though it would never happen.

check out the scouting reports on the team. Rowand gets bad jumps and has poor range while scotty has plus range a plus arm and gets great reads. Also it says that Bobby came from Charlotte.

im in for wherever

I will be there.

Pathetic showing for the indians today. FU cleveland

they are so hung over anyway. Mark may be puking on the mound

QUOTE(RockRaines @ Sep 30, 2005 -> 04:48 PM) If you need help, you dont deserve to be there in the first place.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Sep 30, 2005 -> 04:11 PM) So you won't b**** ever when the Sox need some help, and the team they need the help from throws a line-up like this on the field? That's fine. Personally, I would be pissed. If you need help, you dont deserve to be there in the first place.

QUOTE(chisoxfan79 @ Sep 30, 2005 -> 03:58 PM) I do too The Indian probally doesn't have good scouting report on half the guys. I just think a fresh start against Millwood. He is a pitcher who puts alot of thought into his approach at the palte. He may not know how to go against any of these guys, plus they are rested and hungry. You cant tell me that Anderson and Borchard dont feel like they have something to prove.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Sep 30, 2005 -> 03:26 PM) Santana is the most valuable pitcher in baseball. There is no other Starting pitcher I would take over him right now. I would take the count over him right now.