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Maybe we need to bring another lefty up???

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 03:59 PM) When healthy Grossman is a more talented QB than Orton and I think he can throw a better deep ball and a smarter deep ball 2... Orton was throwing it long in triple coverage a couple times. I dont understand where you get that from. He has barely played, and we had marginal success. It was Orton's first game, and he started the season opener, in the largest stadium in the NFL, as a rookie. I dont think Grossman has ever been in a situation like that. And I think he played great, and looked poised. I dont understand the lovefest for a QB that has let us down 2 years in a row.

BMAC is going to start on sat. IM expecting an announcement later this week about El Duque going on the DL

thats right, I voted for Contreras. Thats right. Go with the hot hand, and the potentialy dominating stuff. Im going with the splitter, the forball, the change, the Sidearm fastball, the power. im hoping for a cold day, a day where the bats dont come alive. Where the batters are caught between mid-90's fastballs and fluttering forkballs. Where a giant immigrant shuts down the other team and sets the tone for the series. I voted for Jose

QUOTE(longshot7 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 02:56 PM) Again, who cares? If someone wants to put something into their own body, it's fine by me. And therefore solidifying your place in the sports world of having no honor and no class. Cheating to win violates the very essence of sport. He cheated, he doesnt deserve the accolades, nor the recognition of players who play the sport the pure way.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 01:01 PM) Just remember this...according to published accounts of Canseco's book, which I have not read, Raffy was using Winstrol specifically because it would help you out as a steroid but would not make your body explode like some of the other steroids were. And before he tested positive, you heard exactly the explanation he would have wanted...that he didn't have the body type of a juicer. A change in body type can just as easily be due to a change in steroid variety as it could be to starting them in the first place. I can tell you first and foremost, Winny, or Winstrol, is used for cutting cycles. It does not increase size and water retention like D-bol etc. It actually helps cut down fat, and when used with Deca as a base, eliminates water retention and fat content. There is no real inflation like when Giambi juiced and held all his water. Consequently, Bonds took HGH after the 90's which made his head and body grow in proportion. So if you want to say that he didnt take anything in the 90's, you are incorrect, he just switched his formula.

QUOTE(White Sox Josh @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 11:40 PM) he wasn't on roids in the 90's. hahahahahaha!!!! Yeah, he wasnt on roids when they were probably at their peak usage. Thats pretty funny guys.

QUOTE(THEWOOD @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 09:49 AM) I have a blackberry with cingular, it works great in the chicago area...I have had trouble in some other states though. I had sprint for 5 years before I went to cingular, I always liked sprint, but like you I needed a blackberry. If you are going to stay in the chicago area for the most part then cingular is a great deal. I have never used any other serivice providers. I made the jump and got the 7100 blackberry from t-mobile, I will be saving almost 50 bucks a month with t-mobile from what I was paying with sprint. So far I have full bars every where I go downtown.

it is a great show, and is only getting better.

DB-how can you propose giving Grossman a start, or "giving him a chance" when he has had his chance, got injured three times, and has bascially been a bust. Orton will have more NFL experience by the time Grossman is ready, and will already know the offense and fit in with the line. There is no reason to give him a chance, first rounder or not.

If they dont approach Stone for the job, I am going to have to try out. I figure I can do a better job than North. Might as well bring in Jim Rome

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 08:34 PM) Having a great 1st round QB doesn't automatically gift you a superbowl. Look at the Colts. They have a wonderful offense with Peyton Manning, but can't stop anybody on defense (sorry Greasy). The fact is though, QB is the most IMPORTANT position in football. That's why you see so many teams over the past few years in Houston, Detroit, San Francisco, Cincinatti etc. using their top pick on the best QB available to them. And as the league has shown over the past few years, you need some resemblence of a passing game to be successful. And yep, hammer hit the nail on the head, you're more likely to be successful if you're a higher pick than a lower one. Rex Grossman was a 1st round pick because he deserved to be. And Kyle Orton was every bit as good statistically as Grossman was, since he played a shorter time though Orton comes up short in every category. He even played for a school that did not have the talent available to them like FLA. Not only that, but Orton was the Heisman favorite until he got hurt and limped through the second half of the season. Since you guys are hung up on having a first round QB, and since Rex was drafted in the first round we owe him something. Orton deserved to be drafted sooner than he did, and his injury cost him that money, and that spot. It is PROVEN that more late round QB's have won titles than first round picks, and I feel damn comfortable with Orton as our hope in that category. Paper Grossman wont see the field ever again for the bears, unless Orton gets hurt.

QUOTE(Bias @ Sep 13, 2005 -> 08:31 AM) If you have/had a blue chip recruit for a son and YOU could pick (at least influence ) 3 of his 5 schools to visit which would you pick? I'd look for good balance of winning tradition and strong academics...nice weather wouldn't hurt either. lol oh and I wouldn't let him anywhere near the SEC! 1. Nebraska 2. Stanford 3. Notre Dame next 2 UCLA Michigan I wouldnt pick any of those top three. Because if you have a blue chip recruit, in your mind somewhere you would want them to have a chance to go pro. Those three schools arent exactly turning out the pros these days. Michigan is just as tough academically as Neb and Notre Dame, and have a better football program as well, just wondering why you had them as an also ran. UCLA and USC are very comparable academically as well, how come USC is not on the list, but the football weakling UCLA is?

what exactly is your list anyway, I cant find any correlation between the players you listed??? Some won titles, some didnt, some are first round, some arent.

Its easy to make an argument sway one way or the other. Where are the other QB's on your year by year list. Where are the Qb's who won titles. You mentioned a select few who were great and didnt win a title, how about the ones who won a title and werent great, there are some of those too. Fact is, being a first round draft pick, does not make you a great player. We have played several first round QB's and they were busts. In fact, if you want to make a list by year, why dont you list the first round busts as well.

wow, my gf is all over that

QUOTE(Rich McKinney @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 04:17 PM) Whew!...If that wasn't the second coming of 'War and Peace.' I cover the Angels in the spring for the Associated Press (Los Angeles). If the Angels want Konerko, they will get him. The Sox won't be able to match the offer because their fans don't support them. Also, expect Garland to be dealt at the end of this season.The Sox won't give him the $10 million or so he'll get per season as a result of arbitration. Heck, he's only had half of one good season. Fans dont support them huh? Been reading the cubune much. This is our best attendance in over 10 years I believe. Shows what little knowledge you have. Confirmed my belief about how educated memebers of the AP are. Kong will resign here for a discount anyway, so if it is a numbers game, we will win.

QUOTE(redandwhite @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 04:12 PM) I think Bill Mueller is an essential piece to a 2006 White Sox team, more so than resigning Konerko. Guess we are going for 2nd place again??? Lets get rid of Konerko, who is a crucial part to this team, and is a very coveted 1b with his offensive and defensive ability. And bring in a meh 3B just to get rid of crede.

QUOTE(WSFAN35 @ Sep 11, 2005 -> 12:57 PM) I'd like to see KW go after Todd Helton. You can say he makes too much, but Colorado will be willing to pay a healthy portion of his salary to get him off of their books. He'll probably end up costing less than hanging onto PK, and if I have to choose between Helton and PK, I go with Helton. Really? I think PK is much more valuable at this point in his career. Has never shown inflation of his numbers in the steroid ERA, and does not play at Coors field. I think PK is worth alot more than Helton at this point. If they do not re-sign pauly, it will hurt this organization in more ways than his numbers. I think PK DH's and Overbay plays 1B

We play so poorly against pitchers that have a good changeup, its not even funny. Even that guy from the Royals who beat us, had a nothing fastball. BUt all he did was drop changeup after changeup on our hitters, making them look stupid. They seem to always be caught in between with no real approach to the at bat. You have to key in on either the heat of the change, and foul off the other pitch. Thats the only way to wint he at bat.

QUOTE(Yoda @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 03:46 PM) Funny cause I get absolutely no signal with my T-Mobile phone in my basement yet I usually get three bars from my Verizon phone. Damn, I guess phones mean alot as well. I live in downtown chicago and i am going to be using the service with a blackberry 7100

What makes you think the chemistry is gone??

Hey, giving him s*** is one thing. An extensive personal attack is another. Nobody is immune from suspensions.

QUOTE(SoxFan101 @ Sep 12, 2005 -> 03:23 PM) I think Orton should probably finish the season unless he really sucks than give it back to Grossman when he returns. Than next season those 2 can battle for the starting job and the best man can win. best man can win until grossman gets hurt. BY week 12, when all of you think Rex is coming back, Orton will have more NFL starts under his belt. What would be the benefit of going to a less experienced QB?

jim, you are ridiculous.