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I went last night and jinxed us. Im like 1-8 the last 9 games I went to.

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QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Aug 15, 2005 -> 11:57 PM) I do not give a s*** if he was safe or not. Not only was he lazy and didn't run right away but he f***ing stopped halfway to 2nd. Because he was waiting for the throw to go to third so he could take 2nd.

You DO know that its illegal in Chicago and it is still a huge problem

Oh wait, did I miss something?

QUOTE(nitetrain8601 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 02:23 PM) read the part where I said several others. I'm not going to waste my whole time typing it. But yes Garland, Mulder, Hudson and Harden and Zito over Buehrle. Here is why I wouldnt. MB has been MUCH more consistent than all of those guys you just mentioned. Zito has been s*** until recently and in the beginning, Mulder and Hudson are hurt a lot, and Harden and Garland havent proven anything yet. MB is better that all of those.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:39 PM) Long-winded and Peter Gammons pretty much go hand in hand so does Skeletor and Gammons

Heres some terms that people on here can relate to. Its like saying something sort of retarded on this board, like Vizcaino being better than Polite and Hermy. Then when you realize that its not true, you try and make up for it, and do a good job of it.

QUOTE(YASNY @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:33 PM) Christ people. You expect perfection. Paulie had a damn brain cramp. It happens to people every day, even ML baseball players. Paulie's never been one to dog it. Doesn't years of watching him bust his ass carry any weight? He lost sight of the ball, which he said ... and had a momentary pause. That pause cost him. It was a mistake, but it damn sure wasn't Paulie dogging it because he didn't want to hustle. but..but...but he was wrong

I take it from Konerko what happened on the play over anyone's opinion. ""I didn't know where the ball was hit because I got jammed so bad," Konerko said. "I thought the throw (from the outfield) was going to second. When it went to third, I tried getting in there. What can you do?"

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:23 PM) Nothing wrong? He stood in the box waiting for the ball to land fair or foul. Wasn't Juan chastised by Ozzie recently because a ball Juan thought was going foul actually went fair? Could be wrong, actually. Wow, so instead of this being an argument about his actual play, and the outcome, its based on whether or not his not sprinting out of the box immediately was wrong? Wow, just wow. I guess when there is nothing else to b**** about. Wait, nobody mentioned the 3 straight K's, the reluctance of getting the runner over and scoring him. But that damn moral issue of sprinting out of the box.....

QUOTE(TheBigHurt @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:21 PM) Ground? As has been said numerous times, it was the umpire's mistake. Paulie made the right decision. He did nothing wrong because he was SAFE. You're trying to be a perfectionist. Would u still be argung if he had been called safe, which should have happened? People with attitudes like yours are the reason no one expects much from the Sox.......... Hindsight is always 20/20, and now we are arguing against his break from the box. It wasnt a stand up double, his only chance to advance was on a throw to 3rd base, which he did, and was safe. I mean, Carl walked to first on a single last night, and nobody is on his ass about it today.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) Pauly didn't start running till the ball just landed fair. Slow or not, that cost Pauly substantial ground. Substantial ground for what? It was not a stand up double. The only way he could have advanced was on the throw to 3rd, which he did anyway. It would have been the exact same play if SLOWnerko sprinted out of the box right away. The ump blew the call, and thats it.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:13 PM) So players should just wait till the ball lands fair and then start to run? That's news to me....I'm not arguing the base running play between 1B and 2B. I'm arguing that Pauly wasn't running from the start. Little League, Big League, whatever. And you my friend, are stuck in little league mode. He may have waited a bit to take off, but it was NOT a stand up double. Not even close. Carl, for instance, barely made it to 3rd on the play. He reacted, then made a nice baserunning play, and the ump blew it. Thats it, stop ragging on one play that pretty much didnt matter in the first place. If the ump didnt blow the call, your opinion would mean jack s*** because he would be standing on 2nd base. He is a professional baseball player, he made the right decision and an agressive one at that.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:07 PM) Thats the point! No one knew. Pauly didn't know. That's why you run it out! The hesitation was a good thing. However, it was set up by Pauly's loafing from home to first. And why people are just brushing this off is beyond me. This team is no where near being good enough to take plays off. Pauly is no exception. Just because you are slow. You sprint from the start and if it was clear that he couldn't have made it to 2B, then Pauly would have retreated back to first. If not, then advance to 2B. Instead, he stood in the box until the ball landed fair, and then started to run, and eventually put himself into the position of make or break. And he broke. Are you kidding?? Seriously, you are little a little league coach telling his players to run out every play regardless. He took off when it was fair, made a good baserunning call in advancing to 2nd and was safe. These are professional baseball players, I trust their judgement more than your little or no experience playing at a high level. He made a good play, the ump blew the call, and the game is over.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 01:02 PM) The SS was cutting in down the left field line! They were lining up for a cut off to home. Not to "gun" Pauly out at 2B. No one from their team even looked to 2B. cut off at home??? What??? There was nobody even remotely going to home. Carl barely made third on that play. Great Post Soxbadger, my sentiments exactly.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) Wrong. If he would have run from the getgo, he wouldnt have had to decide whether to hesitate or not. Yes he would have, if he booked directly to 2nd base from the get go, they would have thrown him out. His hesitation and reaction were smart and agressive.

Man, I can only read books about gambling for some reason. "Bringing down the House" and "Positively fifth street" are the last two I read.

I've kicked the caffeine habit. No coffee, no pop. Nothing...I would much rather give that up than the excellent usage of beer.

QUOTE(sircaffey @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:45 PM) No way...That was the most routine double ever. Pauly didn't start running until the ball was a foot off the ground. He lost at least 4 strides by standing in the box. More than enough to coast into 2B. Hell, the defense was assuming the double. If they assumed a single, they would have thrown into 2B to keep Pauly from reaching scoring position. Pauly should have easily been standing on 2B. No doubt about it. The throw was gunned to third, delayed, and then gunned to 2nd and he was barel safe and called out. If they saw Paulie going for 2nd he would have been gunned out directly. He is not fleet of foot, and that was an iffy double for him.

I think he meant Rogo

The Royals love dangling him to see market value and then holding him back. They do it every year at the trade deadline, he isnt going anywhere.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:11 PM) If you are referring to last night, its because brian anderson didnt join the team until 3 Pm yesterday. He didnt want the kid to play after traveling all day. He also didnt have his equipment yet.

AJ

QUOTE(BigSqwert @ Aug 16, 2005 -> 12:05 PM) Amen to that. I just hate that Ozzie is a hypocrite and benches Uribe when he didn't run one out. For all of you who think I'm talking about the hesitation between 1st and 2nd...I'm not . It's the fact that he didn't run to 1st. Ozzie will lose this team if he keeps playing favorites and only penalizes certain players. If he "sprinted" out of the box right away, he still would of had to wait between 1st and 2nd, there was no chance for a stand up double when the throw could've beat him at 2nd if it was directly thrown there. He did run this out, and was safe.