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QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:48 AM) He says it's more mental than anything. He claims he's not in any pain.. Is his phone number still XXX-XXX-3535, I should call him and ask

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:40 AM) I must be missing something because he looks fine using it to me. Last night, second at-bat, he swings and misses, and noticable steps gingerly on his ankle, I saw it right away, coming from someone who had ankle surgery, I worry about his re-injury.

QUOTE(tonyho7476 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:07 AM) Wow Juggs, always with the big time number crunching...are you actually a super-computer? Anyway, there is no doubt in my mind that we need to trade Everett, while he is not hurt. Frank has showed in 1 week that he can 'get er done'. What happens if Frank hurts his ankle again? I watched him in person every game since he has been back and he is still limping and stepping tenderly in the batters box on it. So if he goes down, who is our DH? Timo? Willie? Do we bring up Brian Anderson to play OF back up? We are then in a sea of question marks with horrible answers.

QUOTE(retro1983hat @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:30 AM) That is not a good arguement. More fans in the park = more $ the club can spend on payroll. Personally, I love going to a game when I know it's going to be packed. Besides, even though they are professional and get paid for it, players want a full house as well. Do you think they get up the same for an April afternoon game against the Royals when there might be 6000 fans there vs. a packed house against the Twins, Cubs, Red Sox, Yanks? I'm not complaining about attendance, but the atmosphere in the park does affect the players. How can my opinion of my experience at the game be an argument to begin with??? No where in my statement did I say anything about the players. I go to a minimum of 40 games a year, no matter who they are playing, so for me, I like it when there are pure fans there and not riff raff. Im a young guy too and it still bothers me. It was my opinion on my experiences.

QUOTE(zach23 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:25 AM) Yeah, I have been telling my friend we should spend a little extra and move. The only bad thing is we have first row in the bleachers and it is nice not to have anyone in front of us. I am sure if we move we will be back a few rows no matter where we go. The other thing is, we like the bench seats of the bleachers. More room to spread out. Thats where we were, 160 last year, we moved up to the first baseline this year, and I really love the seats, but after taking Quick's seats in the 300 level, I realized how nice it is sometimes to have room to spread out and not have to deal with the half price riff raff, plus its still a pretty good view.

QUOTE(zach23 @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:16 AM) More often than not, I hate it when more people are there. It is great to have the crowd noise and see the place full, but the big crowds also bring out the big idiots. It would be ideal if the place was filled with people who have bought ticket packages ahead of time and have money invested in their seats. This way they are less likely to be there just to get drunk and make an ass of themselves. I have had my seats in the bleachers for years now and I love the view from out there, but I am at the point where I don't even want to go on Mondays and Tuesdays anymore. The half price nights bring out the crowds and with them the drunks who feel they have to start fights and throw s***. I usually have a better time when the crowd is smaller. Easy in and easy out parking, no lines for food, and I can hit the men's room and get back to my seat without missing a pitch. Plus, I don't have swarms of drunken frat boys fist fighting around me or throwing food, coins and other objects at other people in the crowd. Guess I am just a grouchy old fart now. hahahaha, same posts at the same time. this is why my season tickets are going to be in the 300 level next year.

QUOTE(jackie hayes @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 08:15 PM) The subject is "Greg Walker discusses his 'pull baseball' motto". The article, at least the huge part of it you quote, has nothing to do with Walker's hitting philosophy. It's just some niceties about Oh, yes, I know I could be fired just like anybody etc, which I couldn't care less about. I know you have strong opinions, Jabroni, but don't waste my time by misrepresenting something just so you can hear yourself repeat something even I've heard a million times now. I like when he repeats, it allow me to repeat.

I dont know why everyone is b****ing about the attendance. I for one, like it when the park isnt packed. Its easier for me to get off the EL, there are less fair weather fans who dont know what the f they are doing at baseball games. And I can get to the beer/food lines quicker. I like being able to move around on the concourse, and I like it when there arent 10 people STANDING in the aisles waiting for the beer man in the middle of an inning. I would rather have 20,000 good solid sox fans than 38,000 f***ing yahoo's

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 11:04 AM) Harris has done the job this year as a backup to Guch. Timo has done s***. Enough said. No stats needed here. There are 1 million reasons why Timo will not be off this team anytime soon.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) Mods, what the hell? there was plenty enough Sox talk in this thread to keep it in the Sox forum. Overmoderating a little? its not a sox thread, its a cubs thread, therefore it should be in around the horn, got it, good? :finger

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Jun 5, 2005 -> 07:21 PM) You guys are hilarious. I don't know how many times I have to keep saying I'm not a cubs fan. Then stop slurping the cubs....thats what fans do, back up their team and start meaningless threads about them. You are a cubs fan, face it.

QUOTE(ISF @ Jun 6, 2005 -> 09:31 AM) Whether you like it or not, win stats are used in helping determine all-star pitchers. Even the crappy teams have to have somebody there, and KC will either have Sweeney or Greinke. Contreras at 2-2 won't be there. Buerhle and Garland are givens at this point, El Duque might go as well. That could change in the next 3 weeks if Garland doesn't start pitching better. I dont think we will get more than 1 starting pitcher, and possibly Hermy, but probably not. If we have more that 2 players in the game, I will be shocked.

Umm I think you are thinking of major league, where Willie Mays Hayes takes a lead they all chant go go go.

Friday and Saturday, both wins, makes me 10-2 I believe.

I doubt we will have more than 1 all star, and it certainly wont be the count.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:54 PM) I'll be in them Sunday, sukka... you can clearly see me drinking them out of the value of the tickets thanks Joe Jung!!!

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:05 PM) I thought this was cleared up already.. it was Borchard that was untouchable. Reed was not on the 3 year board. yeah, i was saying that for a reason, I remember that argument getting shut down, just wanted to bring it up again to stirring

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 05:03 PM) I really didn't do much research, just player pages for this year, but you just can't say Konerko would be a bad fit if he were hitting .300, because that would make his OBP about .400, and our offense would be scoring more runs. if he raises his average to .300, and we don't offer him an extension in the process, he will be gone for 10 mil+ a year somewhere else. but he'd still be a good fit. Anyone who is producing that much would be a good fit, and this isnt a get rid of konerko thread, its an Eric Chavez thread, and the fact that he fits better than Konerko is an obvious answer, he is a better player and brings more value, thats it. I love konerko and I wish he would play like that, but he wont, mark it. Cheers, gotta go to the game now, scout seats!!!!

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:57 PM) Miguel Olivo wasn't going anywhere either.. :rolly Either was Jeremey Reed :finger

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:51 PM) he really couldn't ask for much more than the 8.75 million he's asking now, seeing has how his production has dropped off since he signed that contract. and Chavez is making 8.5 million this year, so money has no factor. as for asking price, Sexson is making 6 mil, Delgado 4, Sean Casey 7.8, Derrek Lee 7.6, Todd Helton (for comparison's sake) 12. his asking price can't go much higher, he doesn't exactly compare favoritively with that group. I know that ESPN.com shows this year's salary, but read a little further, Sexson signed for 4 years 50 million that was after his production dropped off to the tune of .233 with nine homers and 23 rbi and an injury. Delgado 4 years 52 million. and that is with competition in the market place, when Kong is the only viable 1B in FA, his price will be high. For a side not D.LEE agreed to a one-year then a three year extension, and THIS is his breakout year. And Casey's 8.5 million dollar option was picked up.

QUOTE(chisox2334 @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:50 PM) rockraines chill man no trade happened so its a rumor so guess what this isnt chavez board this is soxtalk board the team on field is team right now. Until then dont get all banaas. no its Chaveztalk.com didnt you see that? Second of all, i am very chill, I didnt say anything personal so I dont know where you get that impression. Relax, have a pabst and a xanax, im buying tonight anyway, I'll be in the scout seats b****es

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) I agree.. We need a pot stirring smiley. agreed

Not to mention the point of this argument was based on the value of Kong vs Chavez, there is NO debate, especially after Konerko signs a contract the same if not more than Chavez.

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:30 PM) Many of the so called experts thought Oakland would be much better than they have been. They thought the additions of Kendall and Ginter would make the offense better, and thought their young pitching was ready to blossom. One of the reasons they have been so bad is Chavez has been worse than Crede. If he wanted to maximize Chavez's value he would say he would be available if the price is right and start a bidding war for his services. I also believe Chavez, if traded, would have a right to demand a trade at the end of the season. I don't know if he has a no-trade clause or not. Beane did surprise last off season by dealing both Hudson and Mulder. They both struggled a lot last season. It was believed he would deal just one. Are these the same experts that predicted Cleveland and Detroit to be better than us, of the ones who picked the Royals last year? Actually it was most logical for Beane to trade Zito in the offseason, and that was believed to be his first move, and re-sign the others.

QUOTE(AirScott @ Jun 3, 2005 -> 04:41 PM) of course Chavez is a better fit than Konerko, but that doesn't make Konerko a bad fit. like you said, Chavez uses all fields and plays gold glove defense, Konerko doesn't. but if Konerko were to raise his average this year to .300, then he will be re-signed, because his numbers in the second half will be of MVP quality. and the career OBPs of Konerko and Chavez is .344 and .350, respectively, and Chavez has an OBP of .284 to Konerko's .336. but Chavez won't be coming over to Chicago anytime...ever. so let's end this and hope Konerko becomes the Konerko of 1999-2002. Konerko will be a bad fit when his salary is raised to the level of his asking price, he will be not only clogging the bases, but the payrol as well. Barring comparison of the current stats of the players, Chavez is a better player, bar none, and since you know Kenny so well that you say we wont make this trade, then I guess its true, man this would have been a shorter debate if you would have told us the truth ealier, where have you been all my life. :headshake