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QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:15 AM) If only we had a say We would still have Bartolo

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 11:06 AM) Have a Pabst. I think you need to parktake as well, calm you guys down a bit, I feel like this thread has gone from argument to garbage way too quickly.

QUOTE(quickman @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:41 AM) If I am not using tickets I really don't see how offering them to folks on the board is of bad nature. It seems as if you take exception to this. That's ok, if the mods or others find it offensive, please let me know and I will stop. the people that do take them seem to like them and appreciate the fact that they are there, but I will certainly stop this if people are offended. keep offering them, and I will take them, caught a Dye ball yesterday!!!! I for one, think we should share tickets more, I think everyone should benefit from my season tickets that i dont use.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:46 AM) Who knows if this trade will work out, but Chavez is what the sox need. His numbers vs. RHP over the last three years [.293/.384/.554] would help the sox address their biggest weakness---hitting RHP. [Last time I checked, the so were 12th in the AL vs RHP---with a low avg, obp and slg--- and 3rd vs. LHP]. And good to great RHP is what the Sox would face in the playoffs if they make it there. that is exctly what we need, say yes to this trade

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:32 AM) Yep.... Pabst always does the trick, just ask Nuke... little known fact, it won a blue ribbon of quality.

Does this call for one of my take a xanax, drink a pabst and relax

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:23 AM) It's got 1,000 potential, especially if Ozzie keeps screwing things up, it may be resurrected all year. Now maybe I'll get my due in the Soxtalk Awards as best poster to start a thread. Dude, I will give it to you, this is a good one, I see this lasting throughout the weekend easily.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:21 AM) uh oh here it comes. I would never have put the over/under on this thread at 500, guess work is not so busy today for most folks, I know its not for me.

QUOTE(beck72 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:16 AM) The sox have no LH power guys even close to the majors. If they can get Chavez, his bat and his defense at 3b are worth the big contract. Is Chavez worth is contract compared to other guys like Beltre, Mike Lowell, Troy Glaus? I'd say definitely yes. Would Chavez's contract fit better on the sox than what PK can probably expect to get in 2006? Esp with a JT Snow like option at 1b in Ross Gload, and some money can be used to sign AJ to a decent deal? IMO, yes. as far as the talent to be traded, Bmac would be the hardest guy to lose. But does he project as a dominating #1 SP? Probably not. He's solid, probably a #3. Great post, it exemplifies everything that I think it good about this deal. This would benefit the sox in so many ways including moving forward next year. Not to mention the ridiculous lineup that we would have this year. to you

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 1, 2005 -> 10:10 PM) Rumor has it that the short bus picked up at the Cell and drove him to Charlotte. its no rumor

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:52 AM) ok i like baj and all but you guys seriously are acting like hes the second coming! though i do agree that frank should go down to triple A for the next couple weeks, at least until interleague is over, he'll do better getting at bats than sitting on a bench. uh he is the second coming, duh

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 10:03 AM) I'm not a fan of adjusted numbers either but Chavez is a stud, period. He's a 30, 100 guy and a gold glover at 3rd base, not to mention a left handed power hitter to throw in the lineup and we'd have him for years to come. I'd absolutely love to get Chavez but it obviously depends on what we have to give up. Im saying, that if its only Crede and BMAC, we are raping Beane right there. But its also mutually beneficial, BMAC, as the kind of pitcher he is, would benefit from moving to Oakland from our bandbox.

QUOTE(aboz56 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:35 AM) Look at what I managed to start... Anyway, the consensus still remains. Our manager is a clueless dumbass with the bullpen. I don't care if Cotts's arm was a bit sore or how bad Marte has sucked lately, don't bring in Kevin Walker, EVER. And also, why was Timo even on the field? Release him now and save us the embarassment. This guy is a total slug. Aboz, never could I agree with you more.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) Adjusted numbers mean nothing to me. Just give me the raw data. Chavez is not worth a $30+ million commitment and giving up some of our top talent. BTW, his "raw numbers" are better than our 1B who is getting the same money right now, and who will probably command more going forward without the benefits of the gold glove, this would be a great deal.

QUOTE(santo=dorf @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:58 AM) Adjusted numbers mean nothing to me. Just give me the raw data. Chavez is not worth a $30+ million commitment and giving up some of our top talent. giving up "top talent" and a hope that it will pan out is nothing compared to getting a 4 time gold glover and great hitter as he is entering his peak years.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:53 AM) bmac's good, but i dont see him being an ace... no. 3 maybe with the Hr's he gives up, he will never be an ACE in our ballpark.

QUOTE(knightni @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:55 AM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=33626 May 12, baybee... wow, I was against it at that point, my how things have changed, although i still dont want Dotel.

BTW, that rumor with the Angels aquiring Mike Sweeney, wow that might put them over the top.

QUOTE(Reddy @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:47 AM) hey ya know, soxtalk's pretty cool, it was only a matter of time until the media picked up on that, duh. Im going to have to admit that I may have fueled the rumor in the Daily Herald, but maybe KW reads it????

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:29 AM) With as much as I hate Crede, I think you know that I'm also happy that he's urging to come here. = me. Oh, i know. I know you will be smiling as much as I will if this goes down.

I have a t-shirt that I no longer wear, and my sox pride bracelet has since been tossed as well.

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:25 AM) No, it's not. I'm just supporting what I said in the beginning because people jumped all over it. Regardless, I hope he is fueling the movement to get him out of there, whatever brings him here is good for me. This guy would fit in so well its unbelieveable, he is a clubhouse guy, would work for us offensively and defensively and would allow us to unload double play konerko next year.

QUOTE(JimH @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) Agree with this. its exactly why Ross Gload should be up

QUOTE(EvilJester99 @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:23 AM) I think also one of the other things to take into account is what happens if Shingo gets his act together? That will only give the Sox a little more flexibility to do what they need and or want to do... all it takes it throwing the breaking balls for strikes and hes got it together.

QUOTE(Steff @ Jun 2, 2005 -> 09:22 AM) 4 man.. I'm not comfortable with that at all.. dont worry, a couple of beers will loosen you up.