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QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ May 25, 2005 -> 03:10 PM) Your 2 young to know who that is.. Sorry.

Frank, hands down, best hitter in chicago history. In the same sentence stat wise as some of the greats. As far as best player, its debateable, there is more to a player than just hitting, which will also get him in trouble as far as the HOF too.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 25, 2005 -> 12:54 PM) You're still proving his point. He said EITHER a 1B or OF, not both. Plus I think your list is way too long. Hillenbrand isn't anywhere near the impact player Dunn is; Pierre is overrated as an offensive option, especially since he isn't running as much as he used to; Overbay is a solid option but Dunn has considerably better HR and RBI numbers (kind of the main focus with first basemen), Derek Lee is playing much better right now than he ever has in his career (career .269 hitter with a career high of 32 homers); Matsui isn't anywhere near the hitter he was in Japan (pretty good last year, but disappointing his first year and this year so far) and is considerably older, and some of those guys are considerably older and aren't going to be as productive from here on out like Delgado, Edmonds, and Bonds (who might not even play again at this rate). Dunn's a 25 year old that hit 47 homeruns last year and has a career .385 OBP. There are guys I'd rather have, but not that many. I can't imagine that the Reds would trade him. I was factoring in more than just offensive product, I was using defense as well in the case of D-lee and Matsui, Edmonds etc. It was just my opinion, im not too high on Dunn, I know he hits alot of bombs, but I dont think thats all there is as far as baseball goes. just my opinion.

QUOTE(mduggan88 @ May 25, 2005 -> 01:38 PM) I still dont get why no one likes Joe Crede. Yes he has had some ups and downs with the bat, but he still has one of the best gloves at third base in the league. Also, he is our 8 hitter, he will hit around .250 with 20 hrs and 65 rbi's. That is pretty good for your 8 hitter. Im sure there are several teams that would love that kind of glove and offensive production out of the 8 spot. So until his defense starts to slip, I think Joe Crede is a more then capable 3rd basemen for us. I posted the exact same thing yesterday. I think for an 8th place hitter, he has enormous power potential, and he makes so many difficult plays at first look easy, I think he is underrated as far as that goes. I like him.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 25, 2005 -> 02:43 PM) The Blaylock vs Chavez debate is interesting. On the one hand you have the contending Ranger & on the other you have the floundering A's. By all accounts from what we've seen & heard of BMac he is likely to rank in the top 20 in his first year in the AL. That's better than anything Garland or Contreras has ever done. Good enough to qualify as a solid #2. So trading BMac at this stage is like trading a #2/#3 starter in the AL. Texas is going to pay a higher price to get him than the A's because they need him this year. Ozzie just flat out blew it when pulling BMac for Vizc. Vizc had the numbers against Ramirez but he totally blows at Wrigley (16.20ERA in 04, 7.71ERA in 03). You don't pitch Vizc at Wrigley. That decision cost BMac the win & a solid era. Is Blalock worth a #2/#3 starter? No. You are trading what is likely a top 20 pitcher for a 30th ranked hitter. A consistent 30 rank but still only 30th. So if I'm trading for Blalock using Crede I'm using someone other than BMac. Is Chavez worth a #2/#3 starter? No. His 2004 year looks like a fluke. He was ranked 10th, prior to that his RPG rankings resemble that of Koney. Somewhere between a 25-30 ranking. Better than Blaylock but not by much. Currently he ranks 91st (worse than Crede). He's sure to come out of it but that's likely going to have him finish between 25-30. So what we have here is a player who has ranked 25-30 for 4 of the last 5 yrs & top 10 1 yr. That yr looks like a fluke. Trading Crede for either of these guys is a good idea but it should come at a cheaper price than BMac. I liken this to the Cubs trading Zamby for these guys after his first start. That would be crazy as well. BMac represents insurance against injury for El Duque. El Duque has already gone on the DL once. The odds are he'll be there again. It's unlikely the CHW will avoid running up a yr of service on BMac. I would not use BMac in this trade. If anybody it should be Contreras. 14M/2yr. The Sox can fork over the cash they got from NYY if need be. That's not a bad price for either the A's or the Rangers for the 11th ranked Contreras. His value has never been higher. Trading Contreras high for Chavez low should net a high prospect as well. Crede has ranked 66th, & 71st in the past two yrs. So either guy would be a substantial upgrade. Win share wise: Blaylock/Chavez + BMac > Crede+Contreras That's why you use Contreras instead. BMac gives you more flexibility payroll for the future as well. No gm in his right mind would take JC and his contract for a starting player right now, he is way too much of a question mark.

QUOTE(ZoomSlowik @ May 25, 2005 -> 01:12 PM) Davis isn't a throw-in type player on a deal. You don't throw in major league starting pitchers. Apparently you haven't realized this yet. Keep preaching, I can't recall a single move that you have endorsed making sense, other than the one's in this thread that are somewhat after the fact. He did say Gooch at one point, but thats the only real one I recall. I think he was against Wright as well, which was a good call, but the senarios about bringing in people are downright unbelieveable. Some of us need to realize that seldom can we pull off a trade where we send worthless minor leaguers to another team for starters, just cause they are young.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ May 25, 2005 -> 12:51 PM) Roberts/Hariston..And the Cubs..Wow you still don't see the big picture do you..The Cubs were in a bind to get rid of Sosa at any cost, this is why Hariston was part of the deal, he also is able to play the OF, something that the CUbs needed that both their corner OF were gone. Who else was in the hunt for Sammy.. NO ONE, hense why they got so little for him in return, it was a buyers market. Brewers trade and others..Again as stated before at the time I said the deal the Sox were giving up to much now you sit and know people dislike me so they make up to tell me differently.. Either way, Davis should have been included in that deal, end of story. Ortiz, Well nobody perfect.. I am close, but even I make mistakes.. Same with AJ, though..Glad I was wrong about AJ, Ortiz should come back around. My viewpoints are that from actaully watching more than the Sox play, and talking to different scouts about KW..I have actually talked with 4 scouts over the past 3 years 2 at the all-star game when it was here, about KW.. And most say the same thing that I preach.. He should not be a MLB GM, he is in way over his head.. He has made to many mistakes that as a GM you should never ever make..yet he still manages to have a job? These Changes that he has made I have been preaching since the end of the 02 season to make, and yet they went ignored. Only after JR hired on OG and he started to complain to the media about how he wanted a real baseball team. That is what lite a fire under KW arse to make changes..If Cito was hired I bet you any money that Mags and lee would still be on the team and KW trying to sell you on the fact that Schoenweiss could start. I want nothing more than the Sox to win, unfortunely up until this year the GM and owner have not been on the same page as I have.. I have talked to several scouts as well, they actually sold me some popcorn tins with the 4 different flavors in it, it was delicious although we couldnt finish the whole thing. And the reason that scouts are scouts, are because they dont have the knowledge to move up within the organization. If he is over his head, than I wonder what the rest of the league's Gm's feel when they are consistently looking up at our record. Its almost like when you type you cant read, if Hairsont was so little in return for someone they wanted to get rid of, that would mean the the O's wanted roberts and not hairston, which means Roberts was untouchable. Wow that would mean that I was right in the first place. Listen man, we know you hate KW, you want other teams to "throw" in starting players in deals including 2nd and third tier minor leaguers, but there is a reason why KW put together a winning baseball team, and you are still on your computer whining about what if. I will give you a real what-if, what if we were in last place? If I were you, I would go out to a game, put on your favorite sox hat and cheer on a team that you supposedly love, cause in the history of the sox, only one team has played better than this, live it up, cause we might not see it ever again, and then you can b**** about your xbox trades.

QUOTE(Punch and Judy Garland @ May 25, 2005 -> 11:39 AM) You'd have Shea Hillenbrand over Adam Dunn? You'd be fired on your first day as a gm I like his BA and his versatility. Its a close call, but living in cinci and watching Dunn, I dont like him all that much. I think Kearns will pan out as better.

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ May 25, 2005 -> 12:00 PM) Here we go again, with the wrong information that Roberts was untouchable.. PLease enlighten the rest of us where you got this information from? At the end of last year Roberts had a slight edge over Harriston, becuase of harriston injury. Brewers trade..Of course you are wrong, since I can say that as well.. without thinking of a legit reason kind of like you.. good try. Funny how when I mentioned this trade people said that the Sox were the ones that werre getting ripped off, now that the season started its the other way around. Again, the gullien trade was tricky,that was a starting point..Man you people take everything way to seriusly. This is a deal that would have to be owrked out not as easy as the other deals. Please enlighten me to where he wasnt untouchable. Roberts had an edge over Hairston in just about everyone's opinion and for good reason too. Look what the cubs gave up for Hairston, now do you think your trade is reality? Brewers trade, of course you are wrong, a top three starter, keep saying that to yourself, a young top three starter, with a low contract and promising improvement. Your "people" did not even know who Davis is. You points are opinion on theory, and your "ideal" team that you put together last year, with fake trades and what not, would still not be as good as we are this year. Al Leiter and Rus Ortiz serving up beachballs...Ben Davis catching-and yes you said that. Your fake trades giving our trash for starters wont work in the real world, seldom do GM's give up a little and get a lot. You take your viewpoints and your hate for KW way too seriously. You main error in all of your many posts is your negative attitude toward the team and the ownership. The same ownership who remodeled our team and our coaching staff to put a winner on the field. They could only now hope for some winners in the stands.....

QUOTE(AnthraxFan93 @ May 25, 2005 -> 11:27 AM) Are you talking last year or this year? Cause I think I have made the point that we should have never traded for Everett back. KW lets his personal feeling get in the way and clouds his judgement.. AKA we still have Bochard and got rid of Rauch who we could have used in this past offseason.. With that said here is my orginal off-season plan. Trade Pauly to Baltimore for Roberts and Gibbons..The O's were looking for a big bat, and at the time (early Dec I think I mentioned this) The O's would have went for it, with still have harriston to play second for them. Roberts would play SS For us with Gibbons playing 1b, Uribe moving over to 3b. Ink Iguchi, which we did.. Nice Job KW.. With that said think about the range minus Gibbons we would have in the INF. Now onto to the OF Trade Lee and Daiz to the Brewers for Pods and Davis..This gives us the lead-off hitter we need plus finishes out the rotation (Davis is making 1.7 mil less than we are paying Hernandez and coming off a very breakout year 12-12 with an ERA under 3.5) Here is where it gets tricky, I wanted to play RF Jose Gullien, I felt that will Ozzie as his manager this kid could have shined playing for the SOX. Who would have been a part of this deal I am not to sure on, since we didn't have an OF like Rivera.. Maybe Bochard and a double a pitcher would have finished this deal. The only thing left was working on the bullpen, which is the hardest part about building any team IMO. AS for the DH..It probally still be everett, unless we were able to trade him away, but honestly I never saw us being able to do that. Are fair trades off?? There was a reason that Baltimore dealt Hairston to the cubs, Roberts was not going to be traded and was untouchable. So that ruins your guess on that one. Second, with a fairly young and shallow starting rotation, you think that the Brewers would have given us one of their top three guys in that trade, not in this world, so that theory is gone. As for Jose Guillen, Im not sure if a busted up OF and some mysterious double A pitcher would have netted a starting outfielder, sounds to me like you think everyone wants our second Tier prospects for their starters, which is not the case. If you could have pulled off those deals mentioned above you would go into the hall of fame for fleecing GM's. As for whether or not it would have happened, its not likely, and I still like our team now which has the best record in the MLB, thanks

QUOTE(thomsonmi @ May 25, 2005 -> 10:05 AM) Let's see how he does in his next couple starts in place of El Duque. The issue may resolve itself. I think anothe good question would be, can we do a six man rotation, or should we send someone to the pen. And who would be the best coming out of the pen? Thats a real good question.

QUOTE(TLAK @ May 22, 2005 -> 09:23 AM) The Braves - Red Sox game was on at the bar last night so I just saw little bits of it without sound. I noticed it rained almost the whole game but the field really held up great. I didn't see a single puddle. Did the broadcasters mention it? Before Bossard replaced the field, Fenway used to turn into a swamp with the least rain shower, outfielders splashing around. It's night and day different. It might rain today at the Green Latrine, that place is even worse than Fenway was, it cost us a game last year when Ozzie agreed to call a close game so he wouldn't get any of his guys killed. Why can't they take some of the money they're scalping from the fans and get a professional to fix that field right? They said, once Bossard got to the field, he stripped all the crap they had done to it so well that the field was 9 inches lower.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ May 24, 2005 -> 04:32 PM) I personally don't want to see players go into the stands and fight fans, but hey that's just me. If they get suspended, I would

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ May 24, 2005 -> 03:31 PM) Dunn is a top ten OF'er/1Bman. Either category. OF'/1bs I would rather have than Adam Dunn: Pujols, Helton, Ortiz, Overbay, Shea, Texiera, Derek Lee, Delgado, Morneau, Cabrera, Ichiro, Abreu, Vlad, Beltran, Matsui, Manny, Bonds, Berkman, Pierre, Edmonds, Huff, hell I'd even take caballo over Dunn.

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 25, 2005 -> 09:31 AM) http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/alp05.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/alp04.htm http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin/nlp04.htm I like to view the NPERA rankings because you get a better feel for how good your team is when you view against the competition. WSox 2005 RP: B class: Hermanson 8th, Politte 5th, Marte 46th, Vizc 67th, C class: Cotts 10th, BMac 21st, Shingo 47th WSox 2004 RP: B class: Shingo 8th, Marte 17th, Cotts 54th, Schow 76th, Adkins 80th C class: Wunsch 32nd, Politte 41st, Jackson 69th, Diaz 98th, Grili 104th, etc. I don't know about Shingo. If he can't throw the frisbee for strikes this year then hitters will just continue to wait on his fastball. But Marte is NOT going to finish 46th. He finished 2nd in 03, & 4th in 02. Health-wise there is nothing wrong with him. I think his 46th ranking has more to do with the way the Oz has used him than anything else. He should finish in the top 15 which would put him in line with MIN Romero. The problem is that MIN just keeps finding ace's in relief. Crain 2nd, Nathan 7th, Romero 18th, Rincon 24th, Mullholand 44th. I hope Politte can keep it up but I doubt he will. To beat MIN we need to add a top 20 RP before Aug. As teams fall out of the contention there will be plenty of candidates to choose from. Wagner amongst them(15th in NL). This is where the decision to keep BMac up past the 21 day count get's dicey. He might not be on the roster in the 2nd half. Hitters: Koney, Guch, Uribe, Crede/Polanco, AJ, Pods, Row, Dye, Everett, Thomas, Gload, Harris, Widger, Ozuna/hot AAA bat Arms: Mark, Freddy, El Duque, Contreras, Garland, Herm, Wagner, Marte, Cotts, Politte, Shingo Harris is primarily a tool vs RH so you would like another bench player who can play middle IF & hit vs LH. That's why I think BMac won't likely be on the team when Thomas returns. If that's the case you just burned a yr of service for about a month's worth of starts. So....you think we need another arm in the bullpen, you think BMAC should be sent back down, and you think we need another IF'er who can hit righty???

Where is Pablo...

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ May 25, 2005 -> 07:45 AM) I believe if you come up before Sep 1 & remain on the 25 man roster for more than 21 days it counts as a year of service. This is all about El Duque. The WSox want him ready to pitch his best stuff in Aug when they take on the Twins. If that means giving BMac 4-5 starts until then so be it. If that's the plan then they might as well keep him up. They likewise mentioned he could fill in for Contreras but I think Contreras is pitching much better of late. They don't need a long reliever. They need a setup guy. Of course if Marte pitches more like he did last night he might be the guy. Wow, didnt think I would agree with you, but yeah, I think the smart move is to save our big game pitcher for big games. Like a big game closer, he will win for us when it counts.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ May 24, 2005 -> 08:39 PM) Umm...No thanks. I know, I hate the best pitcher in the league.

Im going to give MB an honorary win on that one 8-1

Eat s*** Juan Uribe, and the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim

Yeah it sucks.

I'll tell you what I would do. I would Trade BMAC, Anderson, Sweeney, etc for Roger Clemens right now, and pay his salaryl.

I heard the UH OH, but not the bye bye, say it aint so DJ

Maybe the reds would want Willie.....

QUOTE(Dick Allen @ May 24, 2005 -> 04:01 PM) BMac is under Sox control for 6 years. The only way KW would make this trade is if Oakland picked up most of Chavez's contract, and even then he probably doesn't do it. You don't trade away cheap stud pitchers. This deal will not happen. Agreed, but sometimes people do to make a push. But im not sure we need that push. I could see him getting rid of one of the position players, Young, Owens, but none of the untouchables.