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QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 11, 2005 -> 10:52 AM) They're hitting .321 as a team at home. Last I checked, they were hitting .300 overall. Looks like they've had a team-wide slump over the past week or so. But that's besides the point. You thought that hitting parks don't help batting averages. That's pretty sad, buddy. Where did I say hitting parks dont help batting avg's??? Dont be salty cause you were wrong, its ok. Several teams who play in "pitching parks" have high batting avg's as well. Their power numbers arent that great, but the BA stays the same. And .276 is ALOT different from .300, if you would like me to post the link with the current rankings of stats by team, I could do that for you.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ May 10, 2005 -> 11:49 PM) Uribe in the number 3 would be interesting. He puts the ball in play and has a lot of line drives. Its better than popup, K or GIDP. Crede has been better than those guys as well. Put him in the Robin spot.

QUOTE(southsider2k5 @ May 11, 2005 -> 10:33 AM) Who would you be playing instead of Dye? You have either Timo, Ozuna, or Carl Everett. I also see you mentioned Roberts, but how many years has Roberts been on a major league roster to prepare him for an everyday job? You got into the convo a little late on this one. I hope Dye snaps out of it, but someone needs to step in and get something done. I think Timo will get a shot today.

QUOTE(hammerhead johnson @ May 11, 2005 -> 10:20 AM) The Rockies are hitting .300 as a team. You don't think Coors has anything to do with that? What are they, the greatest hitting team of the last half century? ehem, actually its .276, and they are 5th.

Great read, I love these W-S guys, its great hearing about them. I was surprised there was no mentioned of Jenks though.

And im still going to call for the promotion of Anderson, the guy is a stud, and cant possibly stay down there much longer.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 10:06 AM) If he is a bat on the bench that means the team is going fantastic and somebody else (Everett?) is lights out. In that scenario I will take it. Expectations of Dye from me ... certainly more than he's shown. He needs to improve on his situational hitting, cut down on the K's, hit better with guys on base, and last but not least no more singles to RF going through his legs for two base errors. Further ... the guy who'll eventually replace him IMO is Sweeney. Sweeney is the RF of the future. If Sweeney comes quickly, that's great. I would love it. I dont think they would have to be lights out to surpass Dye, hitting over 250 with less k's and no errors is better than him at this point. BUt i agree on the expectations, his situational hitting has been horrible, nothing kills a rally like Dye's pop outs lately. If he can play error free, hit some singles, and advance runners, thats fine with me. I would be happy with him hitting 300 with 15 hr's as long as he keeps the runners movin.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 10:00 AM) The Diamondbacks and Texas were the two primary competitors with the Sox. As for spelling him ... I bet Timo plays today, that will be the topic for another round of hair pulling on this board I know you mentioned Brian Anderson ... he is striking out about once every 3 at bats in Charlotte, maybe a tad less. They have to show faith in this guy and they will. The team has had two bad games but is in 1st place, trust me when I say part of building team chemistry is letting veterans work their way out of funks. Edit: Anderson has struck out 33 times in 115 AB's, roughly once every 3.5 AB. Anderson is also hitting over.300, but as far as Dye goes, I hope he can break out of this and hit like we all think he can. At this point though, since i have seen his defense lack as well, im losing confidence every day.

QUOTE(beck72 @ May 11, 2005 -> 09:48 AM) It doesn't matter what I'd do or you'd do. Ozzie is going to stick with Dye for a long while, because he's a proven hitter who's going through a slump. If it's more than a slump, then Dye won't see much time after the allstar break. And Jim H addressed the age issue. I think a month and a half is too soon to judge if a player is washed up. It's not like Dye's not 37 or 38, is slow, old and is overmatched on both sides of the field. I know he will stick with him, and that is kinda the right decision, but I still think we are expecting too much out of Dye, and he will be a bat off the bench by the end of the season. Sort of like Jay Payton

QUOTE(beck72 @ May 11, 2005 -> 09:40 AM) You may not need more time to evaluate Dye. But the guy who makes the decisions is Ozzie. And he'll give him time to work through his slow start, like he has with Rowand, Crede and PK, as long as he doesn't have more brain cramps in the field. So you're stuck with Dye getting the majority of time in RF until at least the all star break Agreed, thats how its going to unfold, I would like to see someone get some starts out there to see if maybe there can be a little bit of improvement.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 09:38 AM) Where are you getting this? He's 31, not 40 like Mike Jackson. It's been not even 6 weeks that he's been on the team, this is a little anthrax-esque with all the Dye hate. We can focus this argument in one thread if you like so we dont have to bounce to each one. Im not hating on Jermaine, but I think all of the support, saying that he is a vet, he is proven, he is solid, is unwarranted. He hasnt played well a few seasons in a row, his one strength, defense, is lacking. And overall his approach to the game has been incorrect. If he comes back and proves me wrong, thats great, but at this point, from what I have seen from him, im ready to sit him and give someone else a shot. His pop outs, k's and errors are doing nothing for the team.

QUOTE(JimH @ May 11, 2005 -> 09:35 AM) He had a solid 2004, not great, but solid. That's where I come up with the solid veteran tag. There was a reason why other teams wanted him, he is known as a pro's pro, far from lazy. He's had his bonehead moments in the first 5 1/2 weeks of his White Sox career but IMO you are way to quick on the trigger here. I dont see how his 2004 season was solid, with his high strikeouts and low avg. And that season was just another decline from 2000. I believe there was only one other team who wanted him, and it was a last place team that was trying anything to get out of the gutter. As far as fluke injuries go, injuries are injuries, and some people are injury prone, look no further than across the city. I have seen several pazy plays from him already this season and a lack of fundamental and situational baseball. I just think its time to give someone else a shot and let him think about it, because you never know, someone might prosper when given a chance. (brian roberts)

Something needs to change, we have alot of key games against good offense coming up.

QUOTE(YASNY @ May 11, 2005 -> 12:28 AM) I agree with JimH. It's way too early to give up on a solid veteran like JD. Though, I don't know what his problem is defensively. He's reputed to be a solid defensive outfielder. I dont understand how everyone thinks he is this SOLID veteran. He was good a couple of years ago, has been injury prone and never quite lived up to expectations. Just because he has been in the league for awhile doesnt mean he is good. Its becoming time to face the facts that we got Jermaine at a good price because he isnt worth much more. At this point im almost more comfortable with Timo playing in RF, because at least he wont be as lazy and may not try to hit Hr's every time at bat.

QUOTE(DBAH0 @ May 11, 2005 -> 08:43 AM) Despite the fact those 2 years were in a pitchers park. that had something to do with his strikeouts and batting avg????

QUOTE(beck72 @ May 11, 2005 -> 05:11 AM) that it may take a guy from a warmer climate some time to adjust to hitting in Chicago isn't so crazy. If Dye is hitting .200 come July in more ab's, then your points may be more valid. A month and half of baseball is too soon to judge a players' performance. Just like I'm not waiting for Garland to win the Cy young in May, we shouldn't look to cast Dye in the Jason Giambi scrap heap Dye's best years were in KC, which is in the midwest. I dont need more months to evaluate Dye's performance, give me the lat 2 year to evaluate how effective he has been, or the last several to show his steady decline, whichever you like.

QUOTE(Rooftop Shots @ May 10, 2005 -> 09:36 PM) I realize that losing to TB is frustrating, especially the way that we lost. But don't forget, there is a portion of Tampa that doesn't make them a pushover. If you saw a stat during todays game, they are leading the league in hits. That says a lot considering the powerhouse talent of many other teams. Unfortunately though, regardless of how Arow, Pk, & Dye did, we had enough other offense to beat them. We just handed them the game with the friggin' walks. I don't mind getting beat by being outplayed , but, that didn't happen today. Today, WE just plain lost! now how do you think we are going to fare when the O's offense comes in town into Coors east.

QUOTE(Tony82087 @ May 10, 2005 -> 08:47 PM) No, are 3-4-5 hitters have cost us 1/3, if not more of these games. I am getting sick of seeing Konerko, Rowand, and Dye look like s*** at the dish. "There going to get hot" is getting old, quick. Dye will never get hot, Im willing to bet on it.

QUOTE(beck72 @ May 11, 2005 -> 07:23 AM) Your scenarios are just not going to happen. Ozzie will stick with the vet who has proven himself over a number of years as he should over a AAA prospect or a utility guy. That's keeping it real JUst because he is a vet, doesnt mean he will perform. He will perform as he has been performing, which is declining in the end of his career. So if you say he will stick with Jermaine because he is a vet, that doesnt mean much to me, Mike Jackson was a vet last year, were you preaching to stay with him?

QUOTE(winninguglyin83 @ May 10, 2005 -> 05:32 PM) Where can I sign the Brian Anderson Support Group? Count me in, we can start the promote Anderson Group

QUOTE(fathom @ May 10, 2005 -> 05:32 PM) Of course we all are. Nothing is going to happen though, especially with the amount of money he's making. Something I've noticed with Dye is that even when he's taking pitches on purpose, he seems to be off-balanced. His body is flying back, while his hands are going away from his body. Brian Anderson your plane to chicago is boarding.....

QUOTE(Milkman delivers @ May 10, 2005 -> 05:30 PM) Anyone else tired of Dye? Even his defense has been sub-par so far. Take a look at the Dye support group thread. This guy is just about done in my eyes for now, and definatley for next year. All we need is a single, drive it the other way, nope, uppercut pop out, as usual. Didnt we try to get rid of players with that mentality?

1st inning of today's game, 2 runners in scoring position, all we are looking for is a single, just push the ball opposite field, or a line drive, nope Dye uppercuts it and pops out again.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ May 10, 2005 -> 03:05 PM) I'm not talking about him bouncing back to his 2000 numbers, where he was hitting like .330 or so. That'd be wonderful...but I didn't expect that from a guy KW paid $5 mil a year for. I'm talking about him bouncing back to his 2004 numbers, where he had like 25 home runs and hit .265, instead of .200. (he was also hitting like .280 before he busted his hand - after he got hurt he hit like he is hitting now). If nothing else, he could at least take a few more walks...he's got 4 this season. .265 23 80 with 128 k's if thats the number that we are hoping we will "bounce back" to, then we are in serious trouble. He's also already doubled his error total from last year too. Im not saying give up on him, or trying to be negative, I just think that we all had hopes that returning to a hitters park and the AL central would give him a performance boost, but its become apparent that hes declining, and unless he drastically improves, I do not see him starting in RF next season.

QUOTE(JDsDirtySox @ May 10, 2005 -> 02:32 PM) I fully back Jermaine Dye. This guy is a stud hitter, and will carry this offense very shortly. I dont ever see Dye carrying this offense, he hasnt broken 100 Rbi's since 2000 and has only hit 30 hr's once in his career.