RockRaines

You will see a difference in the state funding for some schools, particularly the ones who have high income per student but in no way is it taking all of my local taxes for other districts. If that happened local governments would be force to defund that avenue of funding and find another way to get money for local schools like sales tax and privatization. There would be a huge uproar.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:32 PM) SB 1 is the pension reform act not the school funding reform act. Here is a IBHE power point summarizing the proposed bill. It says that the state will raise the % of local property tax that goes to the state to 95% from 44%. http://www.isbe.net/budget/FY15/fy15-sb16-ppt.pdf SB1 has the reformed 2015 version of SB16. And what is changing is the amount of state funded allocation that is already in place.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:21 PM) I'm sure not all of the sites said that. Anyway as I said they were just ones I found with a quick search. From my understanding there will be a major shift in how much of the money from local taxes goes to the state. I'm pretty sure it's SB16 is the one. I do not think what I said is false. From all of the discussion of the Bill at the universities and the funding issues from our district these are the issues in the Bill. SB1 (the new bill) will not allocate all of my taxes that go to my local schools out of the district. That's false.

Rubio comes off as knowing what he's talking about which is more than what most of the guys on stage can say.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 09:01 PM) These were just the ones I quickly found online. If you consider them "political propaganda" sites, look around you should find something more to your liking. I believe it's SB16 that is the current version of the bill. They are propaganda sites because when I click the about button that's what it states. There is a current model in place that contributes some money towards a state pool for allocation and the new bill which isn't anything like what you said isn't much different. Your original statement was that most of our money that now goes towards our local schools will now go towards others outside of our districts and that's categorically false.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:42 PM) I wouldn't bet on that second part...this is IL after all. They aren't going to take all the funds like he stated. They may change the pool that already exists with prior legislation but it will never be total reallocation because it's moronic.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:42 PM) It's already passed one of them, I think the house. I do think it will pass in some form. It is more the norm for the rest of the country. Everything is on hold due to the budget impasse but eventually it will become a focus again. If you look at the reference about what schools win and lose our school district (Lincolnway in New Lenox/Frankfort) will lose 4 million dollars. This is a district that is closing a school due to financial difficulties (that however is another story) I don't see anywhere in there where all the taxes that now go to schools goes into one large bucket. Not only would that collapse the school systems but it would destroy the real estate market in certain areas. Chicagos school system would be a vacuum sucking up and burning cash unnecessarily. Do you have sources other than blogs and political propaganda sites? I've never heard of anything like this being remotely considered at any local government meetings.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 08:14 PM) There is a proposed bill that will change the funding of the schools. Currently, Illinois is only one of two states that fund the schools by local taxes. Illinois is proposing switching to the national norm where all of the taxes for schools go into one fund and is dispersed to all schools in the state. The priorities for funding go to 1. percentage of low income students, 2. percentage of ESL and 3. percentage of special needs students. I'm not positive that is the order but those are the three priorities in the current proposal. It is currently just a proposal but it has a great deal of support. The unions are sending out info as it really effects some districts. http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...-school-funding http://www.rebootillinois.com/2015/03/25/e...-formula/35412/ http://blogs.edweek.org/edweek/state_edwat...gnificant_.html Here are just a few references but you can find many more just looking online. That's not going to pass in the way you state. Even in that model most of your local taxes will stay local while some will go into a pool of which special needs and low income schools get the lions share. We have a government in place now that have taken money from special needs programs already so it's clearly not a priority. Second. Won't ever happen. You aren't going to steal from the rich suburbs and give to Chicago in this state.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) This will be changing soon with the proposed changes to the school funding system. Your taxes will no longer be going to your schools. Most of it will be going to schools outside of your district. That can't be possible.

Not a single person on stage tonight that hasn't taken money from the NRA.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 03:52 PM) Cats are the worst. That is all. Agreed, they secretly want to kill their owners.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 12:24 PM) This is insulting. I went to public school in Lockport and teach in one now. Everything you mentioned there is just as good if not better in most of the good public schools in the state. A lot of really good teachers can't afford to stay in private schools forever either. If you live in Chicago, then yes, private school is the way to go. But by me, if you live in Lockport, New Lenox, Lemont, Orland Park, Naperville, etc, there is absolutely no reason to pay the extra $$ to go to private school. Go to public school and spend the $$ on college. I've always thought that I'd rather pay extra for property taxes in a good district and send my kids to public school rather than possibly living in an area with not great schools (Plainfield, Bolingbrook) and spending that extra $$ on private school. I thought the same thing. Pay extra for real estate and taxes to live within a walkable distance to amazing schools from Pre-K up.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 10:39 AM) 1. It's a lot more than 10k a year for a good private school. 2. While those schools are both excellent, there are public schools just as good. In which case, unless you are particular to the religious aspect (which is fine), why spend that money? 3. Latin is taught in lots of high schools, public and private. I took 2 years of it in a public high school, which also offered something like 6 other languages. And just to add to what Rock was saying, there is a bubble aspect to be careful of. And that goes for even some public schools, by the way. It is key for my wife and I to not just keep our kids spending all their time on the North Shore, but to get out and experience the world and the city, to get involved in other communities, etc. The more people see the rest of the world instead of just their little enclave, the less people are capable of bigotry, in my experience. Totally agree on the last part. Living in a bubble (especially racial) as a kid was detrimental to me once I was exposed to what the real world was all about. Our goal is to expose our child to as much diversity as we can within the excellent school system here. And if I am paying upwards of 20k per year in taxes there is no f***ing chance I am paying Fenwick another 18k on top of that for school.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 15, 2015 -> 11:05 AM) Research has shown that the best schools and the best education come from the involvement of the parents and how involved the child is in the education. The religious part is just the by product of this. It's not the teaching of religon that matters it's just that this type of parent and student is more engaged. This is the type of school you look for. One that gets the parents and students more involved. Its a very careful balance between parental involvement and detrimental helicopter parents though. You have to make sure you are not the parent who is blaming the teacher for your child's issues in the classroom. Too many parents nowadays fall into that category.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 02:59 PM) Those stories have to be BS. I bought two tickets in reserved seating in a perfect spot on Friday. It must be in areas with fewer theaters or something. Muvico at Rosemont has a s***load of tickets available

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 10:24 PM) The way I see it if you can afford it you have to send your kid to private schools. For instance I went to Brother Rice two years and Benet Academy two years. Aside from Rice being all boys, what a great place to be. Great great teachers; hard as hell classes. I actually had to take Latin there and learned Latin for gosh sake. If you want to be a doctor ... what better place for Biology, Physics, Algebra, all those classes. One place that might be better? Benet. What a tremendous school. Great teachers; very difficult coursework (until senior year which was easy like most senior year). Both schools stressed COLLEGE and college prep work. Parents have to have their eye on best preparing their kids for college. The best places IMO have to be private schools. Pay that $10,000 a year tuition baby. It's worth it. (Just my take). As far as Vegas talk ... if u are gonna live in Sin City (yes it's Sin City) then at least move to the BEST school district. Give your kids a chance to not fall into oblivion (drug wise and academic wise). I would never send my kid to Benet, yuck. To clarify - I am trying to keep my kids out of the bubble I grew up in. IMO it appears safer but eventually its socially crippling.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:23 PM) this is a lateral move, with ref to salary. ~~~ edit, he is considered a defensive defenseman. so he is a much better dman than daley. i can live with that. No. Scuderi is a traffic cone. I assume this is precluding another move.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 11:30 AM) Bolded is the key, for me. Kids who are around grown-ups almost all the time don't adjust as well to school as the ones who are socialized earlier - this has been documented in studies, and I've had teachers mention it too. My wife is a stay at home and makes it a point to be out of the house in play groups etc every day. Its really helpful.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 10:44 AM) Hah, I am actually a Fenwick grad I didn't care much for my experience there. I don't speak to anyone I went to high school with. In fact, my 20 year reunion was a few months ago, and while it was nice to see what some of those guys were doing these days via Facebook, I was not in the least tempted to go. That being said, I had to attend a wedding in Ohio that weekend anyways, so it wasn't even a decision I had to make. However, I firmly believe the education I received there was invaluable. I really learned to communicate well there. The biggest takeaways were the english and writing classes. While I really honed those skills in law school at Depaul, I'm not sure how well I would have done in law school (or even gotten in) if not for the foundation set at Fenwick. They love having the Fenwick reunions at our Club. That party gets ridiculously raunchy.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) I grew up in great school districts (Oak Park and then Ann Arbor) and it really did help attending them, my high school had a fantastic reputation, offered a ton of support, had plenty of AP courses and prepped you well for college. That said, when I was at the U of I there were a ton of students from school districts that sucked. Obviously they were intelligent individuals but you could tell that they had great role models in their life. So essentially what I believe is that schools make an impact, but not as much as the support system around the student (and there is give and take between parents, community, and the school system). Also, I grew up right next to a private school (but I went to public school), those kids were nasty and insufferable. So glad my parents didn't send me there. The pressure around here to send your kids to Fenwick is hilarious. If they only saw my tax bill and why I wouldnt ever spend that much more money.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 10:18 AM) The religious part of this equation I could live without. I don't believe there is a pre-requisite to have religion involved in any way in a quality education. Are there overlapping values that both share? Of course. Yeah, I prefer not to have that included whatsoever.

The Bears are extremely short on talent, they couldve squeaked into the playoffs this year but we need a really good draft.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 14, 2015 -> 08:45 AM) You guys seem so surprised. Henry led the country in rushing attempts, yards, and touchdowns playing for the #2 team in the country and was the workhorse as the season ended. And it says Alabama next to his name. That's as cut and dry as a Heisman Trophy pick you will ever see. It has nothing to do with talent. As the dual threat QB for the only undefeated team in the country, Watson should have garnered more votes but he plays for Clemson. Not surprised, just disappointed. Bama's two Heisman winners are very underwhelming.

I moved to a town with ridiculous taxes for the schools. So I guess it's worth the investment hopefully.