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Look at those f***ing guns. What person needs those? What purpose does it serve?

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Oct 3, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) Agree with all of this and I'll go as far as to say that anyone who continues to fight against laws restricting background checks, limits on the mentally ill getting guns or bans on how powered rifles legitimately have blood on their hands. It is absurd how easy it is to get these types of weapons in this country and I'm sick of hearing we can't do anything about it. We have already made cuts that certain weapons cannot be held by citizens, we certainly have the ability to further restrict gun ownership but we choose not to because our politicians are bought by a bunch of terrible people from the NRA. We don't have a mental health issue that is unique to America. The unique American issue vs. other first world countries is our gun culture and how easy it is to obtain weapons here. Oh and let me also say that the 2nd amendment argument is bulls*** for allowing weapons like this to be in civilian's hands. We have grown and evolved as a society. The founders were ok with slavery, but we got rid of that. I'm sure the founders never envisioned people would have weapons that could kill 50+ people and injure hundreds in a matter of minutes. 80+ percent of americans are in favor of background checks. Yet....

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QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:54 PM) I am a gun owner. With that being said there has to be limits. First of all if you want to own a gun you should go through a rigorous background check. You should also be required to go through a gun safety class. I don't see why anyone needs an assault rifle. I find it interesting that hunters need things like silencers for hunting. You don't need an AR15 with an large scope, laser site and a silencer to kill a deer. Not everything is a video game. The next part of this is people caught with assault rifles in the commission of a crime should automatically get a multiplier on their sentence. One thing we fail at is the proper enforcement of gun laws. I couldnt agree more

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 07:18 PM) I don't think stronger gun control laws (as in who is able to buy vs. who isn't (from a mental illness perspective or even a more detailed background check)) were going to stop this person (at least based upon the current information out there). So if you were going to look at this scenario in a vacuum, based on current facts, it would appear that the only thing stopping it would be an inability for anyone to purchase these type of firearms. I'm not a gun owner though (have barely shot a gun in my life, other than some rifles at scout camp), however, I do respect people's rights to own/protect / etc. I really see no scenario (outside of the ability to defend oneself from thy own government) where people need the types of firearms being used in these type of instances. That’s exactly correct. These types of weapons have no use in society. They only exist to fuel people’s egos. My home protection weapon is a pump shotgun. Reason being I hope if I ever have to unlock it, the sound of me cocking it will scare anyone off. I don’t see the point of an Arsenal. Here’s a thought, if we want to reduce the number of guns in this country, give anyone who turns in an assault weapon a tax credit.

Dude had 18 more guns, explosives and hundreds more rounds at his house.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) He's just being polite. Why wake up the neighborhood when you are blowing a few people away? Their reasoning for needing these are pretty hilarious, "hearing safety". Not that ear plugs would work or anything.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:09 PM) b.) Gun control. I wouldn't give up. There is no reason 64 year old guys should have those kind of guns. I know it's our freedom to arm ourselves, but if we don't solve this issue non partisan (ha, good luck there) and keep assault rifles, etc., out of the hands of people, this indeed will be the new normal. I'm surprised we don't see hand grenades in these attacks as well. It's going to happen at a sporting event as well as concerts like this and it's very sad, tramatizing and heartbreaking. I realize I'm dreaming about keeping these guns off the streets, but if there ever was a cause to not give up the fight on, it's this. But it CANT be solved cause of partisan politics. I'd still try, though. Greg, this is an excellent post.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) In my opinion, depends on how you define it. You can have "mental illnesses" that create long-term issues, or you can (in my opinion), have events in your life that perhaps cause a drastic shift to your mental health which in my opinion could make you mentally ill. I separate conflicts of war from other scenarios because in that case, you are not being unique (presuming you are performing your act consistent with how a soldier should perform it). To just randomly murder other people is not a sane act and anyone that does such a thing clearly has a mental inbalance (at that point in time). A whole seperate question as to whether it should / could have been identified earlier and actions prevented. Lots of things unknown as it relates to this particular perpetrator. Thats a great post. Any those signs could have been hard to spot by anyone including people close to him. His family didnt even know he owned guns and he had 10 modified semi-autos as well as a stand to snipe with. At some point you have to be able to either spot the signs of mental illness, give people a way to seek help easily, or stop them from acquiring instruments of mass murder.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) It's a false flag but also ISIS and antifa great that this insane conspiracy theory idiot has such a large platform edit: doesn't help that google's searches were promoting some 4chan nonsense and Facebook was promoting gatewaypundit earlier, either. Millions of people are believing every word he says.

QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 12:11 PM) That's actually Taylorst's own argument. Anything worth doing is hard and takes effort imo.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:43 AM) Not sure how any thing with mental health would have stopped this guy. He had no really history of violence. We don’t know that 100% quite yet. He could have had other mental illness that hasn’t been reported. However he still shouldn’t have been able to acquire guns like that as well as being ten of them into a hotel.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Continue to distract yourself with the how instead of the why. It's easier. It’s actually much harder to try and fix the how. But it’s worth it.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:24 AM) The gun control debate is a sham and its the real cop out. The tough issues are addressing mental health. It's like the gun control debate in Chicago. It's bulls***. People debate guns because they don't want to address the socioeconomic conditions and institutionalized racism that compels young black men to shoot each other. They don't want to because they benefit from that system. I suppose I wanted to get more political than I realized. I find the gun control debate incredibly frustrating. The gun control debate in chicago is a sham because the guns arent purchased in chicago. There is a reason we have more gun deaths per capita than any country on the planet. We have far too many guns, we make guns that are totally unnecessary and they are far too easy to acquire. There shouldnt be more guns than people in this country. Thats the root of the problem. if the politicians dont want to turn off their funding to attack that problem, then make it harder to fire guns, make mental health screening tougher, make background checks mandatory for any purchase, private or commercial. There are so many things that can be done to ensure guns are only in the hands of the qualified. I own 2, neither one of them could be used for a mass shooting, I have no criminal record, and I went through training. Its literally harder to get a scooter license than a gun. Today the stock of every gun manufacturer in the US went UP.

QUOTE (Quin @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:13 AM) Yeah, let's not discuss the systemic politics that enable this and send thoughts and prayers that it go away. The NRA spent 30M getting Trump in office, and millions more to buy representatives. But, thoughts and prayers. Even when innocent children were murdered, thoughts and prayers, guns are american.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) None of this will happen or impact the presence of guns. What's done is done. The streets are littered with guns and gun culture is as American as Apple pie. That's not going to change. Addressing mental health is something that can make an impact. The rest is just drivel to employ politicians and distract the masses. Pretty sure its hard to shoot a gun without bullets. Whats done is done is a bulls*** cop out and so is trying to point at mental health as the cause.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:55 AM) I can tell you the only 2 absolutes are that 1. Guns aren't going anywhere. 2. Old white guys will talk in circles knowing they aren't going anywhere. If you want to address issues that might be solvable, start with mental health. Cool. Outlaw the manufacturing and distribution of ammo designed for assault rifles. They can keep their totally unnecessary guns. Outlaw sales of guns outside of places that can check for things like registered mental illness and spotty backgrounds. If you want to sell one person to person, you have to do so through an accredited 3rd party. But once again, you can keep buying guns lawfully. 2A guys can still keep their 8+ guns per person. FYI, I am a registered gun owner and I have a concealed carry permit.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:50 AM) And it begins... Yep, my agenda is safety, its my political platform. Less innocent people dead.

QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:43 AM) Everyone, get your political agendas geared up. Here we go. Its sad that safety is considered a political issue. We have more gun deaths per capita than any country on the planet, and its not even close.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:30 AM) If it's a legally owned fully automatic weapon, it involves a lengthy background check by ATF (I think, one of the agencies) and a $200 tax stamp, but because of the very limited supply of these weapons, they generally cost high four figures and up. Actual legal automatic weapons being used in crimes in the US is extremely rare. It could also have been an illegally modified store-bought rifle, though. Its probably a bunch of modified semi's. They sell those to you at gun shows and then you modify them from a youtube video

QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:21 AM) I woke up and let my dogs out about 4:30.Heard some sirens and stuff but nothing too unusual. Checked my phone and saw people marking themselves "safe." Thinking what the hell? Then the texts and calls started coming. I'm just a few blocks from the medical district, where most of the victims have been taken. Pretty busy scene over here. Truly a shame. I've got no idea how people even obtain weapons like these. Gun shows mostly.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 1, 2017 -> 07:15 PM) Are you going to start listing all the insults aimed at Trump by all the comedy shows? Please add The Daily Show, Last Week Tonight, Full Frontal, Real Time, The President Show, and The Opposition. Will be great to see all the insults consolidated in one place. Probably coincidental that out of all those people hurling insults at Trump on the regular, you call out the one black guy. Just locker room talk....

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 10:04 AM) The fact that he is 64 years old and has no criminal record at all is already a big overcoming of the typical odds in profile of this type of shooter. ?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 09:47 AM) Just saw a flash across Bloomberg that ISIS is claiming credit and saying that the shooter had just converted to Islam in the last couple of months... but also noting that ISIS likes to make stuff like this up in an attempt to claim credit for attacks. They claim everything, so far no evidence that its legit.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 2, 2017 -> 08:59 AM) Glad you're safe. Seriously. I hope the thoughts and prayers offered by the politicians today make everyone feel better