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Just as the team us getting good and consecutive playoff off appearances in team history? I don't see why he would either.

This I agree with to an extent. I think the injury was worse than they reported. He really wasn't the same after. Without knowing more about it, it's hard to tell but there definitely was something different.

so does that tell you that they are the only elite team in the league and the sox are in the group with the rest of the teams? Or if the Red Sox beat them does that tell you the Sox are even lower than that tier. The playoffs are so random that sometimes teams just get on a roll and steamroll everyone like the 2005 White Sox. To be honest the fact that Houston has been so good makes me feel better about the sox losing to them.

I'll reserve judgement until I see the Astros against the other teams in the playoffs. There is a reason some of the "experts" picked the Sox to win. There is a great deal of talent there.

No doubt. They do need to get better against better teams. However losing the ayers they did for a large portion of time did change the season. Not so much the playoffs as most of those were back. I would expect different results with the same group as most are young and will naturally continue to improve. Plus the missing so much time from Jimenez, Robert and Grandal. That being said I would really like them to add at least one high OBP player to either 2B or RF. They have power but an offense that relies on that is inconsistent Ala the Cubs. I think with the full season played this year the injuries will not be big of a factor for the entire league.

As I said just from the records they need to improve on it. But looking at the run differential give a little better perspective on the degree. The run differential and the amount of time lost to injury involved gives a little hope that the difference isn't quite as drastic as the record shows. A little optimism for next year, I admit. Maybe grasping at straws to feel better about the off season.

That is a valid question. He would not have thrown more innings but they definitely could have distributed them differently in meaningless games in the minors. Personally, I don't think it would have mattered much bit it's a good discussion.

Its not short sighted opinions. Everyone is entitled to opinions. He is saying that I contradicted myself somewhere and I just don't see it.

No doubt. It's just interesting to see the comparison and judge it that way.

So you think that an injury and missing innings isn't a cause to change the the expectation for next year? I disagree the lack of innings changes what should be expected just like his previous history didn't allow for a great number of innings this year.

You couldn't be more wrong. You can have any opinion you want. I have no idea why I would be "shilling" for anyone. I'm only speaking my opinion on physically what the pitchers can and can't handle. I've never talked out of both sides of my mouth. Opinions can change as injuries and other factors come into play. However I will stick to what I said earlier. If the Sox wanted him to be a full time starter next year he needed to be at 80-90 innings. I still think that was their plan. It makes sense physically. Unfortunately, he got hurt and didn't make those innings. Not by plan though. Since he did not get those innings due to injury he should not be a full time starter. I fail to see anywhere in any of these discussions where I contradicted myself. If it was the mishandled part, I still don't think he was mishandled. I think it was a good plan that failed due to the injury. If that is what you are referring to then so be it.

I would agree he isn't ready to be a full time starter next year. It was due to his injury that limited his innings this year. 70 innings is not enough to pitch 200 innings next year. He should probably be at no more than 160. I disagree that this was the plan and I still disagree that he is stuck in the bullpen. And it's physical therapist not physical trainer. I worked hard for the degree and license. Sorry, Don't know why this repeated.

I would agree he isn't ready to be a full time starter next year. It was due to his injury that limited his innings this year. 70 innings is not enough to pitch 200 innings next year. He should probably be at no more than 160. I disagree that this was the plan and I still disagree that he is stuck in the bullpen. And it's physical therapist not physical trainer. I worked hard for the degree and license.

Yep. It does take a little getting used to especially for an old guy like me. A heads up display would be cool with it. You don't have to do the one pedal driving if you don't want to. You can set it to drive like a regular car and use the brake. You don't get as much of the regenerative energy back into the battery though.

This is true. The injury caused a change in the expectations. Not only from a time missed aspect but also that he needed to ramp up again.

I don't think so. I believe I said somewhere from 60-70. I think they were planning on using him in the playoffs and he would have hit that limit.

They were not mishandled as far as innings were concerned. Based on previous innings pitched they were never going to pitch much more. If you would have preferred those innings in the minors, that's valid bit they weren't pitching more innings there.

To break myself out if the depression from the Sox playoff performance, we went and bought a Tesla. I got to say it's more impressive than I thought. The acceleration and ride are unbelievable.

There would not have been a substantial difference in workload. Working on secondary stuff is valid though.

Makes sense. I would like to see the run differential as well to see where they stand.

How does this compare to the other playoff teams? I'm going to guess that all teams have a better record against losing teams than winning teams. Also their run differential is better against losing teams than winning teams. Without context these numbers are meaning less.

What a fun and exciting year. Get wait to go to more games next year. Should be a fun team to watch again.

Agreed.

Strength against strength. Most pitchers don't want to get beat with their 3rd or 4th best pitch.

but why now. They've known about them for years.