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Makes one think that Hahns idea of spending money on a couple of relivers wasn't such a bad idea.

Me too. This is just my prognosticating. I think some depends on how many they can trade.

Part if it was he never built up the innings. He is one the COVID shutdown really hurt. He was supposed to ease into a starting role that year.

Not going into the season. My guess would be that they tried the starter for lack of options. When it turned out this good he became trade fodder and increasing his value is the priority. Same reason they are playing vets over the kids. Maximize their value, trade the ones they can, release the others and play kids after the deadline.

I don't think it's that the Sox don't care about his health although they are pushing it. I think they don't care about saving his innings for the second half of the season as they know he won't be here.

Those were the options. That was my point back then. I don't care how they did it but that innings range should be the limit. Since the Sox have made him just a standard starter, it's going to be really interesting how he is handled from here. They have already gone past what would be common philosophy on how to handle this situation. But this is a unique case with turning a college reliever with his injury history.

I guess I still look as an opener as a pen guy. So 1 to 2 innings an outing on a regular basis would work.

I disagree. I think any team trading for him puts him in the pen to save him for the postseason. The Sox will keep him there but they don't care, its all about showing his value. Even though i think it's detrimental to him in the long run.

That's because they use maximum effort with every throw. They wear themselves out, no "pacing." They throw fewer innings but work harder. This is why they are getting injured at a higher rate but throw fewer innings. Overuse is not just from volume. It can come from too much intensity as well. Overuse is just the tissues breaking down from too much force in a given area. It can even be caused by poor mechanics with an acceptable workload. Hence why injuries happen even with normal pitching.

I agree.

I bet he is in the bullpen after the AS break for most of the second half.

This remains to be seen. He will be in the bullpen most of the second half of the season.

Doesn't exist. This is totally against all training philosophy. Not to say it won't work but they are taking a big risk. It will be interesting to see what they get in a trade because of a limitation this year and what this may do to him next year.

Medicine is an inexact science. We do as much research as possible but usually err on the side of caution as the other possibility is injury.

But he had a history as a starter in college. He had previously worked a starter workload. Crochet never had it.

It's not so much the UCL rehab as it is his previous workload. He never pitched more than about 50 innings in any season. But maybe the UCL rehab will be looked at to build the arm without actually pitching. It's possible. Or maybe he is a physical freak that we don't know about. The peo0le working with him will know more.

I would consider it malpractice if he goes 150. That's double his his entire career and nearly triple his season high. I think they are more than he should be now. But they are with him so they know more. It will be interesting to see how he performs next year after this workload.

That was me. I'm surprised they have let him go this many innings. They are playing with fire. I guess they are really confident in the strengthening program for the rehab for the UCL reconstruction. It will be interesting to see what next year looks like next year.

Mitchell tore the posterior tibialis tendon off the navicular, I think.

Wasn't Sosa injured at the time? I remember reading Ramos was called up because we was the only 3B that was healthy.

This could be true, hence they really aren't following the direction of the strength and conditioning team.

They aren't with them in the off season. They can council, prescribe and advise but can't control everything, especially if it's something that is prohibited by MLB.

Sometimes players add other things to their workouts in an attempt to be stronger that can increase the chances of injuries.

You are talking two different measures. One is a players progress compared to another. The other is how hard an individual is working. What would Grifol say if moncada wasn't injured? The medical staff needs to know how soon robert can start playing games. That has nothing to do with moncadas progress from injuries. As someone else said you mist have never really had these types if injuries as your medical team would have discussed your progress in these terms. They need feedback from the patient so they can progress the rehab protocol. These decisions can't be made without feedback from the patient. Only they know how the injury feels.

As said ad nauseum, it's his perceived rate of exertion of what he can do without pain. Should we go to the examples of smiley face and frowning face medical professionals use with children. That's another example of ways to use patient feedback on how they are doing. Another one is rating your pain on a scale from zero to ten with zero being no pain at all and ten being going to the emergency room.