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He's right though. Enough is enough.

That still doesn't tell me what you think you are palapating just because something is in an area doesn't mean you are palpating it. As I said before it is under so many other tissues you can't pick it out from everything around it. Look up the gastroc. You can't pick out the plantaris as it is so small and under it.

What are you talking about. I never said there was no tendon. I said it's so far deep to other muscle you can't palpate it.

Believe it or not, that technique really helps and because if the pain relief they dont.mind it.

After you stand for a good portion of the day, many people do. Even if you are in good shape, standing all days at a desk will wear the muscles out. You need to be aware of the posture after 4 hours of standing. If possible I have patients keep a full length mirror nearby to check posture especially towards the end of the day.

Nowhere did I say this was this issue. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that it was what you were feeling. I can't see where you are pointing while posting. You really are way off track here.

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They are really good provided you are standing with good posture. Research shows that standing is better than sitting for engaging the muscles in the abdomen and spine to support the trunk. But if you stand But still slouch all you do is wear yourself out.

Another thing to realize is that there are very few medical facts. We can't see in someone's body unless we open it up which patients really aren't up for until the problem.gets so bad they need surgery. Anatomy varies from person to person tendons are I'm different places, they have weird sits in them, sometimes nerves go through them. Bones are formed different. Sometimes people have extra or too few vertebrae. It mostly educated guesses. I'm giving my best guesses based in available information which is filtered through the team and media, and my experience working with athletes for over 30 years if you don't want to agree fine. I could be totally wrong But a few interpretive pictures and a internet search for a couple of hours is not going to sway me to your side.

Pictures or drawings that are someone's interpretation? Look for MRU and CT scans. Even those aren't really accurate. That's why they have Physical examination test to confirm diagnoses.

Perceived authority. I'm moving up in the world.

The plantaris will not contract with toe gripping. Has absolutely nothing to do with it. The whole part about going up on the toes refers to the act of plantar flexing to ankle to attain the position not a function of toe motion. It is not the same thing. One is passive toe extension to get to the position. The other is actively curling or flexing the toes. The are diametrically opposed actions. Different set if muscle and actions. This is totally different from the fact that the muscle is so deep you can't feel it. If you look at your pictures. The plantaris is a muscle not a tendon above the knee. If you are feeling a rope tendon you can't possibly be feeling the muscle as it's not a tendon there. 4 As I said before I'm done trying to help.you understand how the body works and can become.injired and heal. If you are more comfortable finding out your way. That's fine. I defer to your research and we'll just disagree on how the body works. No one knows everything and it's all open to interpretation. You have yours and I have mine.

I'm not proud of it.

Again trying to give you the benefit of the doubt for something you can palpate. The tendon to the right is easily palpable and in the lateral knee area that might make you think it was the plantaris. It is the rope like structure laterally. Could be the gastroc as it is the most superficial of all of them.

Let me tell you what we use rubber gloves for........ Seriously, look up internal coccygeal manipulation. Not one of the more fun parts of the job.

Pronation is the movement of the hand or wrist. In the wrist it's taking your hand with the palm up and turning it so the hand it down. In the foot it's lowering the arch and flattening the heel. The action word is to pronate the body segment.

Let's make deal. I will no longer attempt to help you understand injuries. And will no longer respond to any post regarding them so we no longer have any more of these drawn out discussions. I've only been trying to help.

Always enjoyable.

No. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt that you were mistaking the muscle. You can't move the gastroc out of the way and palpate the plantaris with any confidence.

It is located in the lateral joint area near where the planteris is. I was giving you the benefit of the doubt.

It crosses the joint and is easily palpable in the lateral aspect of the joint. Ive read and studied it plenty. I've also been present during surgeries on it (common issue in runners) and rehabbed a number of them. I know you have a little information and went to therapy but I think you are confused on the muscle because you can't palpate with any confidence the plantaris.

The muscles on the medial/inside of you ankle are the posterior tibialis, flexor hallucis longus and the flexor digitorum longus. These are separate from the Achilles Tendon group that we have been talking about. Those are easily palpable in the tarsal tunnel that is inferior to the medial malleolus or the ankle bone. Those do originate up near the knee as well. So maybe it's the posterior tibial to which you are referring. It also plays a significant function holding up your arch and protecting the plantar fascia. My guess is you mean the posterior tibial if you are palpating it at the ankle.

I've probably been a physical therapist and athletic trainer working with these injuries longer than you've alive. You can't feel the plantaris. But as I said you are probably confusing it with the popliteus that you can palpate.

Well if your therapist showed you, they couldn't be wrong. Just kidding. Like I said in the previous post. You can't feel the contraction of the plantaris. Researchers doing EMG needle studies can't reliably find it because of how small and inconsequential it is. However you can feel the popliteus which is more superficial.

The plantaris has no function in toe gripping. However after reading your posts again, I know where the issue is. You are thinking of the popliteus. It is a tendon that is easily palpable behind the knee. It's function is to rotate the lower leg which is why you feel it when you bring your toes in. It has no function at the toes but when you internally rotate the whole lower leg ie bring the toes in, it pops out. This was important to your plantar fasciitis because one way to stress it is too probate the foot which mechanically goes with lower leg internal rotation. The toe flexion comes into play because if you strengthen the intrinsic toe flexors it holds the arch up thus there is less internal rotation of the lower leg and less stress on the popliteus. Your posts makes sense if it's the popliteus which is easily palpable and superficial to the plantaris which doesn't function the way you are describing it.