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Sourcing something from a a page that explains it for patients is not a reliable source. Find research that explains it and I'll buy it but I've never seen it.

No debridement is the removal of tissue. In this case it was the bursa. There is no other tissue around it that could have been removed. Any substantial removal of a bursa will not grow back. Maybe just a little part or a tiny one, but I still don't buy that. There is no referenced article from will show that. Yes, he does not have a a full bursa in that shoulder.

Correct. So in this case the debridement was the bursa so it was a bursectomy.

The bursa is the only possible tissue that would be removed in a case of chronic bursitis when the rotator cuff and labrum are not involved. What tissue do you supposed was removed? I've rehabbed 100s of these and this is what is done.

Yes it would. They normally don't get into those specifics when reporting to the general public. Most people don't know the difference. For example when Robert injured his hip flexor did they specify that it was his iliacus, the psoas major or the rectus femoris? No they speak in generalities.

Bursa does not grow back. It is a Balloon like pocket of fluid that cushions the tendon from rubbing on the bone.

Good definition of a bursa removal. Now go look up the definition of debridement. It means removal of tissue. Hence in this case the bursectomy and the debridement are the same thing. The bursa is what was debrided.

True. But not having whatever tissue was removed there makes it more difficult to maintain the shoulder stability thus having a healthy shoulder. Giving him a long term deal or a substantial monetary deal is a risky investment.

No they aren't. He had a significant case of bursitis. He had a debridement. The rotator cuff and labrum were normal hence nothing was done to them. So you tell me what else besides the bursa was removed.

The debridement was the bursa. That's what they took out. He did have full recovery. However any debridement is going to make the shoulder more unstable. He obviously rehabbed well but it's going to make it more difficult to keep the shoulder stable in the long term. Not that he can't but it is cause for concern with his history and the awful motion.

I would be more worried about the shoulder holding up from the removal of the bursa than the UCL reconstruction. Especially since he still uses that awful stand up follow through.

Very telling.

Yes it is. No one knows what goes on behind the scenes unless they don't like it. Then it's the person they don't like at fault.

I am. AT as well.

Good ideas. Although I would guess they avoid the bike for awhile as it will put the hip flexor in too much of a shortened position. I like the pool though.

While this is all true and I agree with all of it, whenever I want to respond to the people here I try to remember where I'm posting. This is a message board and is not filled with average fans, in general. To post as often as some of them do, they are the over the top fans and I need to take that into account. I can't tell you how many times I've had this discussion on this site over the past almost 2 decades and invariably the response is that I don't care about winning.

They pitched together on the same team, although Giolito is a couple years older, and Katz was their pitching coach

He probably won't be jogging until for another 1-3 weeks. It's usually at 4 to 6 week mark that he can really start doing activities.

I would say Jimenez most likely and Robert probably.

It's possible.

Not really. It's the semitendosis which they are correct that thay part of it is used for grafts in reconstructions such as ACL and UCL. There is still the semimembranosis in the medial hamstrings so whatever is left on the semitendonosis should be fine.

Agreed.

I saw the same thing and thought the same thing and didn't bet it either.

True. Perhaps it was a little hyperbole. Perhaps a better way to put it is that it is as grueling as any of those. The grueling the life on the road of constant traveling and lack of rest and being away from your family is extremely stressful. Not physically tough as what most people consider grueling.

The question wasn't which us harder. The question was can an MLB season be considered "grueling " since their hands are baby soft.