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QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 06:52 PM) The problem I have is the Republicans don't want to actually expose themselves to providing actual solutions to real problems like poverty. They still don't have a health care fix after 23 years, other than "privatization/buying across state borders." So we just receive these talking points and generalities. Can't Southsider2k5 talk about his wife's anti-poverty program in a way that we can actually weigh the merits of that approach...instead of just going back to the point that Democrats/Reddy "cripple" the future of minorities by paying lip service to helping them but up doing a disservice by making program assistance recipients dependent/reliant and often simply perpetuate stereotypes (the White solutions to non-white community problems, which are well-intentioned but often not constructive in the eyes of the GOP.) Can you quantify or measure its success as an anti poverty program, and how? The above paragraph, just my take and not a reflection on Reddy in particular...just the typical back and forth on govnt social program spending. This as well as limiting lawsuits are actually the two most important thing to drive costs down.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 31, 2017 -> 02:02 PM) It has nothing to do with hatred. How could a son mistake that prop for his dad? Look at it. He isn't 3 or 4, he's 11. It was BS. He was watching his cartoons or whatever and suddenly that came on. OK. Entering your kid into the story is usually not a good thing. Trump seemed to not mind Obama had young daughters at home when he with through all his Obama s***. I work for a company that started a couple of years ago letting people work from home once in a while. You wouldn't believe how often kids are now sick. 40-50 days a year at least. If they took away the work from home, they would be doing the kids a favor with their health. But no one dares question the legitimacy of kids being sick all the time. The Barron story doesn't add up. That is plain to see. Again, what she did was disgusting, but getting the kid involved is for Trump's personal gain. The "Dusty Baker" shield.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 31, 2017 -> 08:18 PM) The boxscore has Giolito down for 8 hits over 4, not 7, fwiw. Lucas Giolito 4.0 8 2 2 0 3 0 5.36 Kopech with 3 walks and 8 strikeouts, almost through 5. 3 hits, 1 UER, but 80 pitches (high count once again) High strikeout pitchers are prone to high pitch counts. Just the way it goes.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ May 31, 2017 -> 12:57 PM) I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Q will be on the Sox until the 2018 trade deadline. They should hold onto him until they get a deal that is worth his value. The way it's going you are probably correct, unless he has a stellar second half.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ May 31, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) With Trout, they did. He was on pace for like a 12 WAR season. Any team with a player like that can be competitive with filler around him. They were around .500 and in 8th place. There was a chance but it was minimal. One hitter doesn't really carry a team in the MLB. It's not the NBA.

QUOTE (bmags @ May 31, 2017 -> 08:04 AM) I have a feeling we'll be seeing less "Then you don't get Q!" hard bargain posts. But they should stick to that. The shouldn't try to sell him when his value is at his lowest. They may just need to wait.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ May 31, 2017 -> 07:38 AM) Keeping Quintana doesn't make any sense. They need the prospects that they will ultimately get in return for him. People keep talking about 2019 but the Sox don't have many long-term answers as far as position players go. Where are those guys coming from? They are banking on Moncada, Anderson, Robert, and Collins. What if a couple of them bust though? They need to keep adding. Quintana will need a new contract by the time the Sox are good again so I just don't think keeping him makes any sense and I also don't know how this team is playoff ready in 2019. Not if those prospects value are less then his. If they aren't good again by 2020, all of these prospects will have failed so it really doesn't matter either way.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2017 -> 08:38 PM) Crap, Jose changed his last name?

QUOTE (StrykerSox @ May 30, 2017 -> 08:14 PM) Chris Sale is such a weak-ass headcase. Some are probably saying that about Quintana now.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ May 30, 2017 -> 07:48 PM) I agree that many people vote against what we would perceive to be their best interests, but I think that's only if we consider people's financial best interests to be the sole basis of casting a vote. I know plenty of union members who are staunch Republicans. Doesn't make much sense to me since the Republican platform is pretty much anti-union, but they have their reasons, I'm sure. If they value guns and believe Republican religious values represent them best, and they cast their votes for the Republican. Who am I to question their reasons? Do we question rich people like Bill Gates, Oprah, Warren Buffet or the "liberals" in Hollywood who vote against their personal best financial interests? I don't ever see that (FYI - I'm not even certain Gates & Buffet vote Democratic, but I know they have talked about paying higher taxes). Mostly because they can afford it. Their finances are their strengths. It doesn't hurt them as much as the taking away the guns and such that others value. taking away some money vs. taking away all of the guns.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 30, 2017 -> 04:18 PM) There has been mountains and mountains of research done supporting this concept. Put away your ridiculous bias and partisanship and read a f***ing book. EDIT: So much for humility and improvement You may want to look in the mirror. There is plenty of research refuting your views as well. It just depends on which research you prefer to read.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ May 30, 2017 -> 03:21 PM) The one you can make a legit case of him waiting to see if its going to go foul or not as it was right down the line. But still, 3 years later. You wanna show him up? Get him out. Don't plunk him when you're down 3. I'm sure getting him out really would send the message the pitcher wanted to convey to him. Ooooo, I got you to ground to the second baseman, i showed you! I don't agree with what he did as far as the retaliation in this case. however, i don't have a problem with it as long as he doesn't throw a true beanball at his head. If they want to throw at the hitter, it's fine as long as it's below the shoulders.

QUOTE (Middle Buffalo @ May 29, 2017 -> 08:44 PM) Samardzija got knocked down by his own guy right before he was going to tackle Harper. I would have liked to see that collision. Beanballs are dumb. I don't blame a batter for charging the mound, but it's not too bright. Easy way to get injured, and not a good look for Harper throwing the helmet. He's lucky that it seemed to slip out of his hand. It wasn't a beanball, he hit him in the hip. Next time don't stand and admire your homerun. Pitchers don't like that. What ye sow so shall ye reap.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 30, 2017 -> 01:17 AM) I should have specified transitioning to H1B (business or investment) visas or work visas after school is completed...the Trump administration wants to further limit those numbers, as there are specific numbers allocated per country. The number for Chinese accepted has hit the limits and they've started turning away applications, for example. The other part of this is the pending legislation coming from "California state residents" to limit the number of international students admitted into the Univ. of California system of state schools...with the idea that these "foreign/international" students are BLOCKING local or native California residents from being accepted into the best of those schools because their (Asian) test scores/SAT are significantly higher than the white, Hispanic and African-American student populations. SEE BELOW. https://www.voanews.com/a/california-to-lim...ts/3863065.html Of course its complicated. It should be. Immigration should not be based on, "I want to be here." It should be similar to many other countries. They need to show that their skills are needed here and they can be a productive member of society.

QUOTE (Reddy @ May 29, 2017 -> 09:29 PM) Hate to disappoint caulfield, but listening to all this is interesting. White privilege doesn't disappear just because you don't personally believe it helped you - that's not really how any of this works - HOWEVER, part of what I'm working on right now is the interplay between what's true and what's an effective tactic. The two rarely intertwine, and I think this is one of those cases. Bringing over white folks who don't believe they have privilege to "my side" requires much more sophisticated tactics than the ones I've been using. It's difficult for people who've experienced personal struggles to recognize they still have certain privileges because of their skin color that others don't. But honestly, that's pretty understandable. So yeah. I'm working on processing it all. We'll see what I end up with. But does it exist just because people who believe they were slighted believe it exists? It exists in general, but does it exists in all of these cases just because one side said it does.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2017 -> 10:28 PM) I am curious to hear if all those claiming "white privilege" doesn't exist also agree with the concept of charter schools? I'm pretty sure the answer will be yes. http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/201...r-school-215201 PAUL RYAN'S FAVORITE CHARTER SCHOOL I think this is an absolutely fascinating argument, about charter schools/vouchers vs. public schools...and wrapped up in this is improving educational outcomes for mostly African-American and Hispanic students in the US. Having taught for four years in one of the worst-performing public school districts in the US (Kansas City, MO), I understand the arguments on both side and have a lot of sympathy for the cause of WELL RUN charter schools. Reading this article, it made me think a lot of the way students here in China are prepared in KG, primary/elementary and middle school...the "study robot" approach which is so provocative to many parents, with its assorted pluses and minuses. Along with my many examples of "white privilege," I also am grateful that I had opportunity to work for 2-3 years (1999-2002) on a weekly basis with former H&R Block CEO Tom Block's President's Community Service Awards program, as well as his charter school, University Leadership Academy (and finally, the Ewing Kauffman Foundation). He co-founded this particular school with the Helzergs (they were also on the board of the non-profit I worked for, if you know Helzberg Diamonds in the Midwest, which Warren Buffett acquired for Berkshire-Hathaway) and I would be happy to support charters like this one and the ones in NYC as described in the article at the top of the post. One of the most amazing life stories (Tom Bloch) of a billionaire you could ever imagine... https://kcmo.ent.sirsi.net/client/en_US/kcl...r+the+Best%2522 https://www.kclibrary.org/event/tom-bloch-a...urban-education This is an interesting discussion. On the pro-side, what would be wrong if all of the parents can choose where to send their kids. On the negative, who decides which students get turned away when the school is full? There are really good reasons for each side.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 29, 2017 -> 10:09 PM) Turn them into "bots" for a proposed left-wing media equivalent of Fox NEWS, lol? Deploy them to finally get a significant DEM victory for Ossoff in the GA-6 race? Btw, Reddy...you will enjoy this article (not roaming white privilege gangs related)... http://www.politico.com/story/2017/05/29/b...t-losses-238889 That would be the Clinton News Network.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2017 -> 11:54 PM) Well, that all goes back to the 47% of the population are receiving benefits/not working argument...no to mention the fact that Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, defense spending and interest on the debt continues to soak up an increasing portion of all government spending, not to mention the public/private pension benefits that are guaranteed to be paid. It's also one of the most compelling "free market" arguments for admitting exponentially increasing numbers of intl students, because their parents are willing to "invest" hundreds of thousands of dollars in their (mostly only) children's education/s. Roughly 50% of those students stay in the US or Canada and contribute to those economies (in fact, like the Kushner Propertystrategy, so many Chinese moved their money into Vancouver real estate, it blew up the prices for couples in their 20's and 30's to the point they couldn't afford to live there...same with SF and Silicon Valley. But isn't that still an overall benefit to the US economy, rising home/land values?) Finally, who are they going to get to work on the farms in California, Texas and all over the US when mostly white "native citizens" are unable or unwilling to do that type of work for $10-15/hour..landscaping/lawn maintenance...nannies/domestic helpers, Midwest processing plants like ConAgra, Iowa Beef Products (slaughterhouses), low skill/lower wage factory jobs, etc. Nothing you said applies to anything I wrote. Last time I checked, international students on visas are legal. There are plenty of ways to make migrant workers checked and legal. There just needs to be a limit. I worked at one of the IBP plants in high school. It was a great way to make money during the off season and summers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2017 -> 07:29 PM) The problem is Fulmer looks more like Addison Reed than Benintendi or Happ, lol. You can throw 92-94 without impeccable location anymore as a starter...you have to be 95-98 or have remarkable movement. Hopefully Hansen and Dunning compensate for the inconsistency/struggles at the AA and AAA level, other than Kopech. No Collins today, btw. This statement is wrong on so many levels. Do you know how few starters actually throw 95 and higher? This is by no means the norm.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 28, 2017 -> 08:29 PM) 1) The US will not thrive economically without the drive and determination of another generation of immigrants to achieve the American Dream...we're already going in the wrong direction on that one. You can't be pro American and anti immigration simultaneously. There's no law stating that we can't select the very best from those immigrant groups seeking citizenship or work rights in America. Continuing immigration from Asia brings more benefits than it creates "obstacles" for whites. 2) https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexandratalty...food-institute/ Millennials, particularly white millennials, need to stop blaming the great financial/housing crisis, Bush, Obama, liberals, Muslims, feminists, George Soros, the rising costs of college education, health care, 9/11 or minorities/Affirmative Action for denying them opportunities to succeed. They should be investing in the stock market or starting their own businesses...they are saving at a relatively high rate of 20%, but it's (according to almost all surveys) for travel/tourism/vacations, eating out, high tech gadgets and generally enjoying life, certainly moreso than buying into the idea of starting a family or making a down payment on a house. Basically, that sense of entitlement needs to disappear. These last two generations never had to confront the idea of military service...are our lives really that difficult compared to our grandparents' and greatgrandparents' generations? But you can be pro-american and pro-legal immigration. There is a difference in the situation in the US today and back when the US let all immigrants in. They needed the increase in population to fuel the industry and farming for food back then.Today the population is becoming a burden on the US particularly in health care. You can't have it both ways. You can't have massive amounts of immigration into the country and want a healthcare policy for everyone. The reason health care for everyone works in many other countries is the smaller population and smaller costs. The rising cost of college education is in a similar situation. The reason it is rising is that states are no longer funding state schools like they used to, due to rising costs elsewhere. At my institution, the cost to the student in the 1990's was about 20% of the bill with the state paying the rest. Today that same student has to pay for nearly 80% of their bill. This is because the state funding has gone from 75% of our budget down to 20% over the same timeframe.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 26, 2017 -> 07:49 PM) Would be a fascinating argument about the order of ERA if one of these four were picked to go 20 starts for the remainder of the season in Chicago...who would perform the best, Lopez, Fulmer, Giolito or Kopech? I'd go with either Kopech or Lopez, just a hunch. I'm sure others think the exact opposite, especially after Giolito's no hitter, that maybe something finally is starting to click with him the last 2-3 times out on the bump. You have got to be kidding. The kids max innings for any season is 65. He'll be lucky to get 15 more starts the rest of the season.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ May 26, 2017 -> 07:03 PM) Sure would be nice of Lopez either cut his walk rate or started getting more GB's. A (entering tonight) 11% walk rate and 30.8% GB rate isn't ideal for success in the majors. Hence the reason he wasn't called up.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 25, 2017 -> 06:26 PM) Colleen Kane‏ @ChiTribKane 1h1 hour ago White Sox announce Tyler Danish will make his season debut in the second game of Friday's doubleheader vs. Tigers. Mike Pelfrey in Game 1. Must not want to mess with Fulmer's or Lopez's progress.

QUOTE (yesterday333 @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:42 PM) exactly! he is too valuable to take just a decent offer for. He will either get us a great haul or he will stay with us, there is not in between. agreed.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ May 24, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) Jose Quintana was 10th in WAR in 2016. One stat that shows about where he belongs. That's true. However, as I've stated before. i would never just look at one data point to make any decision. Just because you have one stat that backs up your view of him doesn't mean it's the only view that matters. With no GM meeting the price that Hahn was asking for, it seems that at least some GM's don't think he was worth the price. Doesn't mean they were right either. It just means there are many ways to look at the value of a player.