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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) Levine said on radio today that he may only throw like 180 innings this year. If they are terrible, there's no reason to run him into the ground on a 100 loss team. This makes sense. Not only do they slowly increase his workload but it also allows one of the younger pitchers to get some turns in the rotation.
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Update: Luis Robert has been cleared according to Rosenthal
ptatc replied to maggsmaggs's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 11:09 AM) He has made exceptions. Not many, but a few. If he ever was going to do this, now is the time. Most of the big boys are out, and it is really the last time for this situation. If the White Sox scouts think he is as good as advertised, not making an effort if he is declared befor 6/15 would be shameful. This is getting another key piece in a Sale, Eaton, Q trade for money. If the guy got Moncada money, I wouldn't blame the White Sox for backing out. But the restriction the next 2 periods as an excuse would be pretty sad. I agree with all of this. however, the odds of it happening aren't good because he doesn't do it often. As you said, hopefully he does see this as an exception. -
Update: Luis Robert has been cleared according to Rosenthal
ptatc replied to maggsmaggs's topic in Pale Hose Talk
QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 5, 2017 -> 06:27 AM) It isn't outside the rules. No but you know as well as anyone that JR has always pushed to keep the league as a more fair playing field by restricting spending. If there are rules or practices to restrict spending (penalties) he will rarely go beyond this. -
QUOTE (Two-Gun Pete @ Mar 4, 2017 -> 08:27 AM) 1. He's injured right now. He can't even get through Spring Training, because of an arm issue, or a tummy ache, or God knows whatever is causing him to have to "go slow" at the tender age of 24. 2. He actually will be 28 when Boras has him sign elsewhere. 3. 6-12 WAR over 3 years is a wide spread. 2 WAR/year is "just a guy," or an average starting MLB player, or roughly what Rodon has been hereto fore. 4 WAR/year is very much a difference maker, a stud, or slightly less than early Chris Sale as a SP or slightly less than what Quintana is now. Clumping the Gavin Floyds & Carlos Rodons together with the Chis Sales and Jose Quintanas over rates our now-injured SP, IMO. YMMV. And, I have to re-state that I was very much a fan when he was drafted, & I very much want him (and ALL Sox players) to do well. I simply don't get why he's considered by fans to be a core player. No he's not. They are delying his start of spring training so that he doesn't get over worked now. They expect more innings this season so they are easing him into the season. He will still make his start in the first week of the season, just not the first game. They did similar schedules with sale when he had arm issues the previous year. Proactively trying to prevent injuries is not the same as being injured.
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QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 3, 2017 -> 07:10 AM) The other thing is they have always had the idea of spending on the big league roster and less in the minors side. With them now trading off of the big league roster and not adding players to it with any major financial deals they better be using the money in the minors including spending on international market Maybe they'll bank it for a couple of years so they can spend it on a couple of FA when they get good.
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QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 11:05 AM) Hawkins is a bad miss. Anderson is a good pick. The issue is that Reinsdorf was against spending money on amateur players and KW loved tools, athletes. Drafting tools athletes is fine but drafting ones that also don't cost a lot of money isn't a sound strategy. They need baseball players and Hostetler drafted many guys with more traditional baseball and on base skills. He is on the record saying that he wishes he would have taken more high school guys and he even said they are looking at high school players in this year's draft. It has to be both is what I'm saying. You always want guys that play premium positions because those guys can play other spots. Nick Hostetler comes from the Schuerholz school of scouting. I would expect a focus to be on power pitching and athletes. Dayton Moore subscribes to the same theory and Chris Getz worked under him for years. I don't recall Hawkins or Walker or mitchell being players signed because they were cheap. So what you're saying is that they are going to stick with the same philosophy of drafting athletes just pick better and younger ones? This board should have a field day with this.
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QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 02:38 PM) Given where Price is in his career and competitive window of the Red Sox, it would be super interesting if he were to try out the surgery that Seth Maniss just tried (though his UCL may just be better to replace anyway. It will depend on the extent of the laxity and where the tear is (if there is one). The new procedure is a "tightening" of a lax ligament and a support if the tear is near one of the ligament insertions. If the ligament is too lax or the tear is in the mid-substance of the ligament, the repair can't be done and they need to do the Tommy john reconstruction. This is similar to the two different meniscus surgeries Derrick Rose had. In one case the tear could be repaired due to the conditions. In the other they had to do the menisectomy. It just depends on what they find when they go in for the surgery.
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QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) Interesting. Thanks for the insight. Regardless, everything coming from Boston's camp makes this seem ominous. I have always liked Price and I wish him the best here. Most definitely. Odds are what happened was that the Boston physician didn't like what he found during his exam. Really didn't like what they saw on the MRI. Then sent him to andrews to confirm the amount of laxity and joint integrity. It's not a full tear but losse enough that they aren't sure what to do. If it was a full tear that would be easy to see.
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QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) He'll know what? If it's something pretty serious wouldn't the MRI show it? The MRI will most likely show if there is a complete or near complete tear which most aren't. Andrews will do the clinical tests and he'll know how loose the joint actually is by the amount of laxity and function of the ligaments. He'll rely more on what he feels than what he sees on the MRI. The MRI is just an attempt to confirm what he finds.
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QUOTE (raBBit @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 10:52 AM) Red Sox saying they don't have the results from an MRI that happened the other day is a tell tale sign something is wrong here. I'll guess slight tear of the UCL. MRI results are often inconclusive, especially with acute inflammation in the area. That's why they say things like this. It's much more accurate to have Andrews do the clinical tests. He'll know when he tests it.
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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 01:16 PM) This. Especially Erstad was well worth the draft pick. Not to mention he said Erstad wasn't a premium position. I would consider CF a premium position.
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QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Feb 25, 2017 -> 08:32 PM) Alex from Fangraphs said that the Sox are looking to acquire athletic guys that play premium positions, which is something they lack in their system I thought the Sox were changing their drafting philosphy? This is the philosophy that people began to hate recent of drafting athletic guys like Anderson, Hawkins, walker etc.
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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 10:48 AM) Why is Benintendi untouchable all of a sudden? Young player who has had success in the MLB and in pressure situations including post season.
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QUOTE (Doc Edwards Shot @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 03:12 PM) He must have thrown too much in the offseason to be coming down with dead arm at the start of ST. More pitchers need to take a page out of Mark Buehrle's book and stop throwing completely through the winter. That could be why Mark was so durable. It is usually the opposite. When you stop completely it is more difficult to get going again, especially as you age. Think of running. It's easier if you take a little time off but then get back into it at a low level. If you take 3 months off and start again all sorts of issues can arise.
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QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 08:15 AM) He can't do that in September in the minors due to the season being over (unless a team is in the playoffs). I was only talking about getting his feet wet. But yeah, like I said, September 2018 is too generous. His innings limit should be done by September without injuries, if he is a starter all year.
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QUOTE (bmags @ Mar 1, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) There's no way. Even if his talent proves undeniable he has so far to go to build up his stamina and innings. +1000
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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 03:47 PM) All that said, I would be surprised / mildy dissapointed if by the summer, Lopez / Giolito / Fullmer / Moncada were not on the major league roster. I agree with you, they shouldn't be up until they are ready, but I would expect, that given each of their time frames and existing minor league experience, that we would be targeting having those guys all up during the second half of this year. Especially, since they have all had the first "cup of coffee" last year. This should be the year where they come up prior to the September call up time. If they develop as they should that is.
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QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 02:16 PM) Man I thought Coop told him to bring it down a notch. LOL He did take it down. He was trying to throw 110 before, remember.
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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 01:59 PM) This is why Pace is paid to be GM though. And the point remains, it is extremely bad to let an asset walk I disagree. It was worth the gamble early. He's only played in 16 games 2 times in five years for a variety of reasons. He was worth too much to trade 2 years ago and isn't worth what it would take to keep him now.
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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 01:22 PM) They weren't trying to win 2 years ago, they made that abundantly clear. And 2 years ago Jeffery was coming off of his two best seasons as a pro back to back, they would have gotten more than a future third round pick True but if they were planning on winning in the near future, the following year or so, why would they trade him coming off his best years? I don't think they planned on being this bad for this long. They thought they would be in contention very quickly which is why they hired the older but experienced coach not a young rebuilding coach. Edit: In hindsight it would have been the best move but they didn't think it would go this way.
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QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 08:25 AM) There have been many Bear fans (especially on here) calling for a resign or plan with Alshon for the past two years. With the thought that they better not just let him walk for nothing. Two years later low and behold they are letting him walk for nothing. As a GM and coach you dont have the luxury to wait and see how things work out with every player before you make big decisions. You have to be proactive in a lot of dealings or else you can get burned. Now if the Bears tried to sign him with a fair deal in the past and he just doesn't want to be a Bear then that's a different story. I guess I look at it a little differently. Teams change so much from year to year and the big shift in records as well. The need to take every year that they have a chance at it and try to win. Fans may look ahead but with the way the Bears have switched coaches in recent years they really can't just throw seasons away. Injuries and FA make the teams much more volatile than baseball. I get what you're saying but would a future 3rd round pick (speaking from the perspective of 2 years ago) be worth trading him when they were trying to win?
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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 11:00 AM) Still, if Davidson excites anyone, where is the Leury Garcia love? He's not a power hitter, but can play a lot more postions, is a heck of a lot faster than Davidson and his age and AAA OPS is the same? Chicks dig the long ball.
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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 27, 2017 -> 02:43 PM) your entire premise revolves around right now, this week. The bears have had two years to get to this point and frankly, they dropped the ball if he walks. There will be a team that meets his demands, there always is. This is true. i'm talking what they can do right now. 2 years ago Fox wasn't fed up with his lack of playing. That took a year or two. In hindsight, they should have traded him 2 years ago. however, I don't think anyone thought it would get to this point.
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QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 27, 2017 -> 02:13 PM) Alshon isnt going to be on this team because Fox decided he didnt like his attitude right? He wasn't too fond of his soft tissue injury approach. Pretty much. And the rest of the league knows this.
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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Feb 27, 2017 -> 12:26 PM) No,it's not relevant at all. He is gonna get paid his money, if you aren't willing to pay him what he wants, you trade him and move on, last year in this current offseason. There is no "costs too much to sign him". You don't let him walk for nothing. Teams like the Bears do this bulls*** and it bites them in the ass, teams like the Patriots don't do this. Yes there is. Teams may not want him if he is expensive. Now they can try to trade him "as is" but why would they when the Bears may not offer him a deal. They can just wait until he is a FA and try to sign him for a cheaper deal than the Bears would sign him for. He doesn't want to be here and would make the Bears pay far too much to try to keep him. Other teams know this and will wait it out. Why trade for him when he will be signed for just money and no draft picks.