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QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 04:29 PM) It's not like anyone is forced to read this thread. Just don't open it if you don't want to. It's that's simple. Exactly, how can someone get their number of posts up if they don't post frivolous things in frivolous threads.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 31, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) Quintana isn't an ace you idiot, just look at his win/loss record. 4th starter at best. i think the lack of strikeouts (comparatively) is what makes people question it.

QUOTE (reiks12 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 08:40 AM) With Robin out of the picture I would say Robertson would be better managed hopefully. I would be fine with allowing him to pitch to his capabilities and raise his trade value for the deadline or next offseason. While RV had the final say, cooper did a great deal of advising on handling the pitchers. So, if Rick is willing to listen to cooper, I don't think you'll see a great deal of change in how the pitchers are handled

QUOTE (Footlongcomiskeydog @ Jan 27, 2017 -> 03:10 PM) It seems like all the major pundits do not see a future for Fulmer as a starter. The Sox will most likely start with him in the rotation at AAA this year, but I highly doubt he sticks as a starter. I have no idea why he was rushed up last year. He looked totally lost on the mound. I hope I'm wrong but he is looking more and more like another first round pick that the Sox would take back in a heartbeat if they could. Replace the "on the mound" with "at the plate" and you have Moncada's situation with boston. Does that mean he looks like a bust as well? Small sample sizes.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) Robertson is honestly one of the more interesting players we have. My gut feel would be to say that Robertson fatigues easily, when you watch him start off dominantly in April then wear down. But Dick Allen posted that his worst games were all on 3-4 days rest. Not uncommon for pitchers used to pitching frequently especially those that are "feel" pitchers not velocity pitchers.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jan 26, 2017 -> 04:50 AM) Yes they did that too. This is why that line of research as well as the soviet research on using electrical modalities to increase strength have been invalidated. Also, that training method kopech is using is designed to increase pitch velocity. Many believe that attempting to throw too hard to often (me included) is what is leading to the increased frequency of UCL issues. While this training is effective in increasing velocity, it may not be a good thing, especially in the eyes of Cooper who doesn't think velocity is everything. Besides Kopech can throw 100 already. Trying to increase velocity from there is just an ego going crazy and will not lead to anything good.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 09:51 PM) How is an injury to a player not a factor in trade talks, unless there are none because of the injury; of if they aren't trying to trade him and there are no trade talks. If it's something as insignificant as a sprained finger, it wouldn't be a factor.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 07:12 PM) Once again I thank you for your insights. Do you think the Sox could be trying to downplay nature of the injury so it does not hurt Frazier's trade value? I know Frazier does not have much of a market but an injury more serious would likely make it even more difficult to trade him than it already is. I would highly doubt this as it would come up in a physical. It's more likely just a misdiagnosis early on, which is very easy to do especially if there was a great deal of swelling.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 03:15 PM) Does voter turn out by state vary significantly when the state is a "battle ground" state. So for example, is voter turn out in Ohio much greater then say voter turn out in California (where maybe you have chunks of the population who don't vote because they already know that who they'd vote for will win, etc). Just curious. Probably not a major difference, but I would think to some extent it plays into account. I was in eastern Ohio (Younstown state) for my daughter's track meet this past weekend. I know they said it was a battleground state. But everywhere I looked there were "trump digs coal" signs and bumper stickers. Even at the meet there were parents wearing "Trump is MY President T-Shirts." It was more campaign things than I have ever seen anywhere. His campaign did a really good job there.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 06:18 PM) 20th in OPS & runs scored is pretty brutal when you play 81 games at the Rate. I'm not saying it's good. i'm just saying it won't rival for the worst in the MLB as some were saying. There will be more than a few teams with a worse offense than the Sox.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) Outfield is somewhere between substandard and brutal Catching mediocre, second base meh Four and five spots in the rotation would have to improve to be called question marks. That's before inevitable injuries. With or without Q, this is a train wreck. You could even argue that injuries could result in more talented players being called up. I would disagree a little. OF: Cabrera should be at least average, They should hope tilson will be pretty good, garcia yuck 3B above average with HR and defense SS: hopefully anderson is pretty good. 2B: Lawrie should be pretty good 1B: Abreu should be good C: who knows The lineup will not be will not be at the bottom of the league in scoring. They were 20th in OPS and runs scored last year. Should be about the same.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Frazier’s injury has not been a factor in #WhiteSox’s trade talks. Again, he expects to be hitting by mid-February, ready to go in spring. Reply Retweet Like More options Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Frazier’s issue arose in final few days of season. Felt it again when he resumed workouts. Had MRI, will undergo follow-up MRI tomorrow. Reply Retweet Like More options Ken Rosenthal @Ken_Rosenthal now Sources: #WhiteSox’s Todd Frazier wearing splint as he recovers from sprained finger on left hand. Expected to be ready for spring training. There is something fishy here. 1. A sprained finger will not take 3 months to heal. 2. they don't do an MRI for a healing sprained finger 3 months into healing. My guess is something along the lines of a volar plate injury, misdiagnosed as a sprain, which is quite easy to do. Hopefully, there isn't much laxity in the finger.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 02:00 PM) The Sox like to do that, but at the lower levels, then move them back to bullpen by the time they reach upper levels. Clark, Cooper, Goldberg are all following that path. But Burdi is already at AAA, so I kinda don't see it. I was just curious. I know they do it at the lower levels. However, since he is so new to professional ball and now there is no rush for him to get to the MLB, I was wondering if they may do it with him for at least part of the year.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Injury history doesn't matter as much as it used to. Look at guys like Rich Hill and Brett Anderson. Depends on the injury.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 25, 2017 -> 01:35 PM) Yeah Burdi won't be starting, at least not this year. Based on the Big Board I maintain, here are my best guesses: AAA: Giolito, Fulmer, Lopez, Danish, Sanburn AA: Kopech, Guerrero, Adams, Stephens, Lowry A+: Dunning, Thompson, Martinez, Lambert, Fry A: Hansen, Flores, Solorzano, Comito, McRee Guys above who may go to pen instead: Sanburn, Thompson, McRee Guys not above who could jump in somewhere: Volstad, Banks, Walters, Beck Do you think they may start Burdi to build strength, work on his pitches and make sure he gets regular innings?

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 24, 2017 -> 02:09 PM) Comparing McHugh as being roughly equal to Quintana was where that article loses me It cherry picked stats while ignoring huge WAR differences Quintana in the past 4 season = 18.1 WAR McHugh in the same time span = 7.8 WAR McHugh's performance has gotten worse each of the past two seasons and he is now in the #4/#5 starter territory Quintana is a #1 on most teams and a #2 on a world series contender After looking at all of the stats I would agree with the article. Quintana is definitely better but not by a large amount for the last 3 years. K/BB, runs and WHIP are all slightly in favor of Mchugh. FIP, xFIP and SIERA are all in favor of Quintana.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 11:05 PM) Jedi is singular or plural, so it doesn't tell us a ton. The red color of the logo is interesting. Good point.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 04:23 PM) Rey and Finn are the last 2. Luke is still around, unless he buys it in the next one.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 10:52 PM) You mean the part about just 5 playoff appearances in the last 57 years? Yeah, let's just stick to the rebuild, shall we? If you bothered to read the posts, it was referring to the fact that they will not pay for TOR pitchers in FA. Which is why they must collect pitchers in trades then buy or trade for hitters. They have a record of doing that. Your unabashed bias is astounding.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:44 PM) I'm not high on Jose De Leon at all. Forsythe is a really solid baseball player offensively and defensively with a 2018 option. I think they could have gotten more than the 1-1. JMHO but a solid 2B is nothing compared to DeLeon's potential. I'm sure they tried to get more than 1-1 but that was the deal they could make. So i don't think they could have gotten more. It's a steal for the Rays.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 08:45 PM) Yeah, that's clearly supported by Sox free agent pitching spending and even attempts to trade young pitching/prospects for veterans like Todd Ritchie, Edwin Jackson, Javy, etc. (Robertson's a clear anomaly here.) Not to mention Buerhle and Danks remain the two biggest non-Abreu deals, both were not external free agents but pitchers Schneider and the staff were already comfortable with, trust built over time. It's all the fault of Jaime Navarro!!! (Obligatory 90's reference now included. Belle makes two.) The Sox record stands. They won't spend big on FA pitchers from outside the organization. It's not the fault of Navarro, it's actually Dotson and Burns. They were in house players but really caused issues with significant injuries. the Buehrle and Danks deals were not the over 100 million dollar deals like Lester that the Sox would need to make if they picked up hitting instead of pitching.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 07:55 PM) So essentially the worst case scenario is their hitters (Cubs) still brought valuable pieces back. On the other hand, you could look at injuries to Rauch, Stumm, Biddle, Barcelo, Wright, Parque, etc., and argue the best collection of pitching prospects in the game 15 years took a pretty huge hit. Ginter was overhyped, another big name that comes to mind. Sirotka and Baldwin went down as well, although they came earlier, along with Snyder. Buehrle, Fogg, Garland and Kip Wells were the only ones to have long/er starting careers. That's a huge swath of talent that was basically turned into Todd Ritchie and Damaso Marte. Were it not for trading position prospects for Garcia and lucking out with Contreras for Loiaza, they would have been screwed. The two best since then, McCarthy and Hudson, also eventually went down. So all that...TJS risk and especially labrum/shoulder issues, are what make those 60's equal 55's. If not for the blip up in reliever values, you could even argue 60=52.5, and also for the fact it's been impossible to pry young hitting prospects loose this offseason after the Sale trade and the Chapman/Miller deals at the deadline. Or you can argue the White Sox in recent years have done an excellent job by and large keeping pitchers healthy compared to other orgs. This is why collecting pitchers is the way to go. JR will never pony up 200 million dollars for a couple of pitchers if the Sox get all hitters and need to buy pitching later. He would be inclined to pay for hitters as he did with joey Belle when the Sox signed him to that (at the time) massive deal.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 06:16 PM) I dont like that deal for the Rays. Think they sold Forsythe a little short. TOR potential pitchers always trump second basemen.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 10:20 AM) Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi Wasn't he the last jedi the last go around in episode IV?

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) Law's evaluations of bats have been as good as any publication writer over the internet age. He's outstanding. If I like a guy (on the position side) and then I hear Law likes him, I'll dive in and usually come out looking good. Law's evaluations of pitchers is almost like punching in numbers into a system. Under 6'1"? Under 185? Automatic reliever. 6'3"+ but very thin frame? Automatic reliever. Throws hard with bad mechanics? Automatic reliever. Law wants every pitcher to be 6'4" 215 lbs with perfect mechanics. I just don't think mechanics are as predictable as Law's writeups would give credence to. It's not even like he would argue that but he just bets on the workhorse bodies and does his presumptuous, writing-off of any guy who doesn't apply. Frankly, it's not the worst strategy given the tough task that Law has to do but at the same time, he knows some of these unconventional deliver/smaller body guys are going to work out and they're going to keep making him like bad (See Sale, See Carlos Martinez, Hopefully see Reynaldo Lopez). With the unpredictability of pitching, he will be right more than wrong with this system. That's why he does it.