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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 02:32 PM) Well, Tyrod Taylor might not be available because Haha oh you Buffalo Bills (he will be available, but the Bills might have to pay him a lot of money to go away) That writer is an idiot.His comments about NFL players not being able to pass a non-NFL physical shows a complete lack of knowledge of the medical situations. Most of the wording if he got it correct stated the physical by the team physician for injuries during the season. The Bills say they didn't know about the injury and he did everything outside of the Bills medical team. If a player does, it always a big lawsuit, especially in football with non-guaranteed contracts. This ought to be a big lawsuit.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) If he's in the game, of the draft picks and available QBs, Romo is probably the best bet to get the offense humming next year, but also the worst bet to be able to answer the bell a reasonable amount of times. Especially if he can't stay healthy behind that offensive line.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 07:45 AM) . He needs to add talent that can actually stay on the field. White, Goldman, Floyd, they all might be great, but if they can't stay on the field they aren't good picks. His free agents have had a tough time staying on the field as well. Is this more on the coaching/training/strength group more than the GM?

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:49 AM) Yeah I recognize that. I'm not trying to bash him as an overall prospect/player, I do think he will be able to be a fine regular and I wouldn't be at all upset if we acquired him...He just wouldn't be an ideal #1 hitting prospect we get back for Q in my opinion. I question what his ceiling is, especially if he doesn't become at least an above average defender at 1B.. Mark Grace would be an ideal scenario for Bell, but he could also be Lyle Overbay. nothing wrong with that either, most of the prospects won't have any success in the MLB. I agree that he shouldn't be the main piece in a trade but I don't think he would be. Sounds more like Glasnow would be.

QUOTE (Jerksticks @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:59 AM) Wow the thread title made me think he was out for another year with another surgery. Glad he's progressing well. Yes, that's really good news. It will be interesting to see when and how the running goes.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) I'd take Mateo over Bell...A prospect that is limited to 1B defensively that had a .454 SLG% and only 44 HR's in over 2,000 PA's in the minors is a huge red flag to me. Surprised it isn't for more people honestly. There is good value to an advanced hit tool in a switch hitter along with a high OBP. He profiles as a guy like Mark Grace who was routinely bashed for a lack of power but led the 90's in hits. I would take that.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 5, 2017 -> 08:16 AM) His Hawkins take seems to fit right in with Courtney's performance the last few seasons. The Collins take is with a grain of salt IMO. He's seen him twice. Kopech? Who knows? He's seen him pitch more than almost everyone here, but his criticisms, and they really weren't dire, for both seem to be correctable. The one thing that does concern me a bit with Collins is many guys drafted as catchers but are expected to shift to other positions because of defensive concerns bats seem to not live up to the hype. One exception is Paulie. I think there is hope for him as a catcher. Orton seems to be a pretty good instructor. From my understanding, Konerko's main issue to move from catcher was a degenerative hip moreso than defensive issues that weren't linked to the hip. So you can probably take him out of this "exception."

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 2, 2017 -> 03:37 PM) And if Rodgers does this at 37, 38 and 39 we can talk. Please. The Tyree catch and the choke by whatever WR that was are infamous. Find me single plays in any of Brady wins to rival those two epic flukes. By your logic Garnett > Duncan. When you're great, you win even when you have no business winning. Tom Brady is a lock to win his 5th title. Keep up with your lame hypotheticals. So longevity and being old is a criteria for the HOF? Julio Franco is a lock for the baseball HOF then.

QUOTE (SouthWallace @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 12:39 PM) ChiSoxFanMike's All Scrub team vs BlackSox13's All Flop team. YIKES. Well done gentlemen. Scrub Catcher - Donny Lucy 1B - Alex Cintron 2B - José Lopez SS - Jeff Keppinger 3B - Mark Teahen RF - Avisail Garcia CF - Pablo Ozuna LF - Blake Tekotte DH - Mark Kotsay Backup IF - Jayson Nix Backup OF - Luis Terrero Utility - Ross Gload Utility - Brent Lillibridge Backup Catcher - Toby Hall SP - Jacob Turner SP - Scott Carroll SP - John Danks SP - Mat Latos SP - Felipe Paulino Long Reliever - DJ. Carrasco RP - Ryan Bukvich RP - Frank Francisco Lefty Specialist - Will Ohman Set Up Man - Scott Downs Closer - Ronald Belisario Flop 1B- Adam LaRoche 2B- Wilson Betemit SS- Alex Cintron 3B- Josh Fields OF- Joey Belle OF- George Bell OF- Carl Everette DH- Joe Borchard Bench- Lyle Mouton, Drake LaRoche , Leury Garcia , Oney Guillen SP- Jaime Navarro SP- Todd Ritchie SP- Erik Johnson SP- Aaron Poreda SP- Arnie Munoz Closer- don't need one with that lineup and rotation. Skipper: Terry Bevington i wouldn't call Joey belle a flop. Jerk, yes.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) There needs to be some kind of cap floor so teams that are "rebuilding" still are incentivized to pay free agents even if it's for reasonably short term. Without a cap from the union, the owners won't agree to a floor.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 11:26 AM) For a year, maybe two. And if Quintana gets hurt or loses effectiveness that plan is shot. I'm not going over again why waiting until the deadline, or worse yet next offseason, to trade Q should also be out of the question. This is the problem with backing up the truck the way the Sox have. It was easy to start the rebuild because they had to be coaxed into doing it. Hahn could easily have pulled Eaton and Sale back and abandoned the rebuild idea if their price wasn't met. But now the cat is out of the bag and everyone knows the Sox have to sell most of these pieces now. At some point Hahn is just going to have to take the best deal on the table because the reality of getting much less next year and the threat of disaster striking and getting nothing is not acceptable. They need to determine if the package in return for Q is worth it. If some of the reports are true, they should not trade him. He is worth more than what they are getting. It is very difficult to replace a proven TOR pitcher. He should not be traded unless the value is there. There is no reason to trade him for anything less. Your view of having to trade him now is too short sighted. Even if he is only around for a year or two when they are good again, that has more value than some of the offers.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 11:24 AM) Small sample sizes won't totally right off a prospect, but they can damage their stock. AJ reeds disastrous 48 games was enough to bring his prospect stock into question. Joey Gallo has done massive damage to his stock as well. Moncada I am not worried about. He got rushed to the MLB level and has never played at AAA. Giolito had a tough second half, but still posted pretty solid AAA numbers. He could bounce back in 2017. Moncada had 20 PAs. There is nothing that should be determined from that. With the other, they all hadover 100 PAs so that can make you think a little. I didn't watch them so they would need to look at how their approach was as opposed to just the stats.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 11:07 AM) So I'm missing one thing here, what is the additional risk that we'd have to take on to apply pressure to them? No matter what we do the calculus isn't going to change - there are only a handful of teams left who could offer an appropriate price, and until more than 1 of them decides he's a priority the other teams can wait for our price to fall. What can the White Sox do to change this dynamic other than drop his price or wait? They should wait until the season unfolds, if these are the offers. One of the contenders is going to short one quality starter and it may push them over the edge. If not, the try again next year.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 10:55 AM) And even so, that offer is more than vast majority of league could offer as their framework. The sox should just keep q then. He is more valuable than that package.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) I agree he's not Betts and I said so; but it's the same issue. When top prospects succeed in their cup of coffee, their value to the team, especially a contender, is much higher. Trading young productive hitters opens another hole for them; which they may be able to get by with Jaso et al this year, but the Pirates are not and never will be "all in" for one given year. The Pirates have several other prospects that the Sox could use. As for the Astros, I would consider Reed among the 2nd tier. He failed in his cup of coffee, but may have been rushed a bit, and the value now is heavily discounted. I think they could do a deal with Yankees, if they would take Rutherford + secondary pieces. Is that enough? I would disagree that a small sample size (under 100 AB) will significantly change the value of the prospect. It does change if it's closer to half a full season. The value changes if the MLB is counting on them for the upcoming year, regardless of the performance the past year.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 31, 2016 -> 10:22 AM) If we're serious about making an appropriate deal I don't believe that will be the case (unless the value of the player goes up due to improvement in the player's performance). Our job here is to make the White Sox world series champions and that means acquiring as much talent as possible. If we aren't offered enough talent for our players, we should avoid moving them until someone offers an appropriate talent level. If that team had refused to meet your demands in the offseason and then they come to you midseason with a truly fair offer, do you turn it down to be vindictive? That might fit in "The Art of the Deal", but it's bad baseball GMing. We clearly have had some "issues" in the past with the nationals as an organization, yet when they put a strong deal on the table for Sale and Eaton we were content to do business with them. I agree. With Quintana's contract, it is even more important to stick to this. We will be under a reasonable contract when the team is ready to compete again. There is absolutely no reason to move him unless they get a deal they are comfortable with.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 06:49 PM) C - Ron Karkovice 1B - Frank Thomas 2B - Ray Durham 3B - Herbert Perry SS - Craig Grebeck OF - Ivan Calderon OF - Lance Johnson OF - Dan Pasqua DH - Greg Luzinski SP - Jason Bere SP - Freddy Garcia SP - Bartolo Colon SP - Jose Quintana MR - Scott Radinsky MR - Matt Thornton CL - Bobby Thigpen Another member of the Church of Calderonists. RIP

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 05:06 PM) Is it wrong that, despite knowing Sale is better, that Buehrle is my favorite pitcher of all time? (Only 25 years old so didn't see McDowell or others mentioned) Basically started getting into baseball around 99/2000 so I basically started from the beginning with Buehrle's career (and Paulie's for that matter). I don't think favorite has anything to do with how good they were (are)? Watching Ron Leflore run around and get hit on the head with a fly ball was entertaining. He was by no means the best OF or even in the team picture.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 03:52 PM) Sox could find themselves with a decision to make this time next year with Rodon if he can put it all together and realize his potential. If they can overcome the Boras factor and lock him up that would be the most ideal, but can't rule out dealing him if he appears intent on testing the market right in the middle of what should be the Sox window. If he is still a boras client, you know he will. This was the whole purpose of the agreement to bring him to the MLB his first year, to make sure that clock moves quickly and get to FA as soon as possible.

C: Booter Hill 1B: Konerko 2B: Donnie Hill (because he was amphibious) SS: Guillen 3B: Ventura LF: Calderon CF: LeFlore RF: Baines DH: Thomas SP: McDowell SP: Hoyt SP: Sale SP: Buehrle SP: Dotson RP: Thigpen RP: Barojas RP: Hernandez RP: Radinsky

QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 03:30 PM) Who said that? I didn't. I said in a Postseason matchup, I'd favor Q, all else being equal, mostly because Sale tends to break down at the end of the year. Over the course of a season or career, of course I'd take Sale, but not by much. Same thing still applies. In any single game, Sale has the potential to dominate compared to Q. I'll take Sale. And if you barely take Sale, you're nuts but to each his own.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 02:15 PM) I would say that it's very possible, but not probable, that Quintana is more valuable (disregarding contract) over the next 3 years. I think the main scenario that would make Q more valuable is an injury to Sale, something that feels more likely to happen to Sale but hasn't really ever materialized. An injury is always possible. However, as the GM making this trade are you going to bet your top minor league talent on it? I wouldn't.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) I'm beginning to think he's a member of the 2017 White Sox. If I'm starting to think it - maybe opposing GM's are as well... which could be just what hahn wants. In a rebuilding Hahn and Hostetler I trust. I agree. And I'm ok with it.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 01:24 PM) That is an intriguing package. Severino could make or break that package. Well if true, Cashman turned it down so it wouldn't be quite that package anyway.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 01:16 PM) First time I've seen names from the Yanks in talks for Q. https://elitesportsny.com/2016/12/30/despit...must-stick-plan That should give people a little perspective on what other GM's think he is worth.