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QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 10:05 PM) Lol - first off, I don't "hate" anyone, so be careful throwing around such careless accusations. Second, this is the second time YOU have mentioned in this thread that the owner sucks. I mean, talk about an automatic post! I never said any such thing in this thread. I merely responded to someone earlier who was commenting about the lack of posts tonight not being because the team was ahead at the time, as was asserted, but rather because the owner and his management team have failed once again to put a product on the field that would compel enough people to have enough interest to come here and post. Very fair observation, I'm sure you would agree upon thinking about it again. you sure post like you very strongly dislike the handling of this team. does that more fit how you post about the owner. You really enjoy playing the semantics game. I've never said in any post the owner sucks. I've been saying the opposite. He has done many good things for the organization and baseball itself for that matter. Yes, you always respond that the owner is the issue.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:59 PM) One trip to the World Series in 36 years as owner for a large market team is not an impressive record by any measure, no matter how well the team performed in that one year. It's a heck of a lot better than many other teams.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:56 PM) If the Cubs actually win the World Series, that 2005 card will get harder and harder to play. It's not like anyone is going to games anymore because of something that happened 11 years ago. Why, you can still say it took them well over 100 years to do it. Be creative. Cub fans are fun to pick in.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:53 PM) Well he does, doesn't he? Have you seen White Sox baseball this past decade? Come to a different conclusion on the guy and let us know how you got to it. Be very interesting to see what you have to say on his record. I've replied many times. He has done many good things for the organization. That being said, i wouldn't mind a change as they haven't produced lately. However, your constant posts which continue to say the same thing, are getting as bad as greg's royals love. We get it you hate the owner. You will post to tear him apart. That's why I suggest you just have the "JR sucks" automatic post so you don't give yourself carpal tunnel posting the same thing over and over. However, if you feel you need to, go ahead just be careful mechanics when typing.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 08:56 PM) "Business as usual" is because Sox management has failed once again to bring forth compelling, competitive baseball here in the middle of summer. Your beef about lack of posting is with Reinsdorf, Williams and Hahn, not the fans. As I said before. Just have a automatic post that says "JR sucks."

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 05:39 PM) Let's hope he is a better reliever than Poreda, Ring and Reed. At least Addison had "plus" value where he was selected. Some WAR magician will make him out to be a bargain if he's halfway decent, surely. Let's also hope he is more effective than Carson has been out of the pen or Hahn will look even more foolish since there's no compelling reason to push him at this point...that might have been the case were/with Robertson dealt at the deadline. It isn't necessarily the performance this year. Now that they are out of it, they can use the time to break in these players to the MLB. That way if they are in the race and need help you don't have a star struck kid that wets his pants for a few games and costs the team wins when they count. When you developing young players, it isn't always about the immediate performance. It's more about the long term progression of the player.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) For round number sakes, let's say she lives until she is 83. Without adjusting for COL increases, she will receive $2.4 million worth of pension payments (actually higher because of the COL adjustments). For that $2.4 million, because CPS had been picking up 7% of the 9% portion of her salary that goes toward a pension, she paid 2% of her salary each year toward that $2.4 million. This, in a nutshell, is why I have no sympathy for the CPS teachers threatening to strike. The only slight sympathy I have is that they want to make the teachers pay their portion of the pension (which they should) in too fast of a time period. Imagine your boss cutting your pay by 7%. It is not the teachers fault that the idiotic politicians decided to pay the teachers portion a long time ago. They should slow the process of cutting their pay.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 10:33 PM) 150 IP? I'm not sure what the sox have placed on him based on the number he pitched last year between college and the pros.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 09:26 PM) There isn't any need for a settlement. The contract is fully guaranteed. Even with a voluntary retirement?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 08:09 PM) 100% agree. And I'd like to see Fulmer in AAA working as a starter as well. Let relievers like Albers continue to blow games and worry about fixing the pen in the offseason. This season is already a lost cause. He will hit his innings limit too soon and he will need to be shut down well before the season ends if he is in the rotation.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 09:08 PM) I'm still confused why they are rushing him? Are there any positives for the long term with him coming up for a month? Yes, if his stuff is consistent and he can get out minor league hitters what is he going to learn pitching to them? He may learn more trying to get out MLB hitters, especially when the season doesn't matter.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 07:16 PM) I realize that Rick Hahn reached for Burdi to put in this year's pen, but even Rick Hahn has to admit that the season is over. He's a top 30 pick; you don't use that on relief pitchers, first try. Work him to start. I suppose Rick Hahn is getting him ready for next season's pen so he can howl at the moon and "go for it" again. A top 30 pick for the bullpen. That's really tough to do in the year they are drafted especially for a guy who was in the pen in college. He may follow the sale path where they think his stuff is good enough to get MLB hitters out now but he just needs to get stretched out in the off season over the next couple of years.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) He still has $96 million on the contract. I am assuming it isn't a straight out retirement don't bother paying me, like LaRoche. When he was a free agent, I was leery because his father fell apart around 31 or so. I thought genes might do him in, but this is obviously his neck. I imagine an insurance company is not very happy right now. It is interesting that Prince and Cecil each hit 319 career homers. I'm sure there will be some sort of injury settlement for the part that isn't covered by insurance.

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 08:35 PM) What an amazing Olympics for US so far Not for all. The mens volleyball losing in straight sets to Canada was embarrassing.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Aug 9, 2016 -> 07:27 AM) Why wouldn't they send him back to AAA and let him start there then bring him up in Sept and let him get a few starts. Shields and Gonzo could be tradeable pieces in the offseason so the Sox may be better leaving them iin the rotation and hope they look at least average over the next 4-6 weeks. Part of the reason he isn't starting is that they need to limit his innings this year. So will he learn more pitching in AAA or the MLB while pitching in relief? The answer is, that's why they get paid what they do. We'll see if they are right.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 11:01 PM) Not me. I'd almost sell my soul to have a run like they had from 51-67. Knowing they were going to win more then they lost at the end of the year, knowing they had a reasonable chance to make the expanded playoffs more then once every seven years and knowing that fans and the media actually cared. You can't win the World series if you don't get to the playoffs first. That's the initial step...after that it's a crapshoot, especially in a short series. Mark That's fine. I'm taking the one World Series win over the multiple good years with no World Series wins. I would rather see and experience that Win than watch the teams be good but never win it.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 10:53 PM) "Many successful seasons"? During the last 36 years? How "many"? By my count, only five, given the team has only made it to the postseason five times during that period. Making it to the playoffs is what defines "success" in baseball, and nothing less. At least that's my point of view, and one shared by no less than our ace starter and perennial All Star, Chris Sale. He's on record saying he hasn't played in a "meaningful game" in his entire career since the Sox haven't made it to the postseason since he joined the team way back in 2012. So you are, of course, entitled to call a season "special" under your own terms, but successful? That is making it to the postseason, and nothing else. OK. Going back to your definition of success, how many times did they make the post season in the 30 years prior to JR's group buying the team? 1 time in 60 years.Fewer than with JR. Under JR ownership group they made the playoffs 5 times ( would have been 6 in 1994) in 36 years. Obviously the difference in the rules changed this but they weren't successful by your definition. Regardless of the post season, you can have the multiple good but not great season and I'll take the only World Series championship.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 08:41 PM) As I said, draw your own conclusion. If you are content with something special coming by once every nearly 40 years, well, to each his own. Be satisfied with just that. I'll join the chorus of others who hope for and expect better production than that. You are entitled to that view. However, they've had many successful seasons unless the 1983 team winning 99 games and that really good run in the 90's doesn't count. i would consider those special seasons along with the World Series win.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 08:32 PM) A silly argument. Really Look back at how baseball was structured between 1951-1967, during the 16 yr streak of winning seasons by the Sox. No divisional playoffs, no wild card. You either had the best record in the AL or NL, or you went home. The other question would be, with this current stellar ownership, winners of 1 championship in 36 tries, how is it they for the life of them, can't figure out how to get to the playoffs but once, in 11 yrs.? This is a different discussion. They have had a bad enough run lately that they deserve whatever people want to throw at them. My comment was directed at the comment that they have done nothing in the entire ownership of JR.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 07:56 PM) 36 years now with Jerry Reinsdorf as owner of the Chicago White Sox. 18 of those 36 years, or exactly 50% of his time as owner, the Sox have finished at .500 or below. 9 of those 36 years, or 25% of his time as owner, the Sox have won 90 or more games. 5 of those 36 years, or 14% of his time as owner, the Sox have reached the postseason. 1 of those 36 years, the Sox made it to the World Series, and they won it. Avg. game attendance in 1980, the year before JR bought the team: 14,819* (* - actual fans in attendance vs. tickets sold) Avg. game attendance in 2015, last full year of JR's ownership of team: 21,677 There ya go! That is the record of Jerry Reinsdorf as head honcho of the Sox. Has he "done nothing for the team or franchise" over nearly four decades as the owner? No, you can't say that. There was 2005, and it was magnificent. Outside of that wondrous year, well, you look at his record and draw your own conclusion. I know what I think! Good for you. I know what you think too. I disagree. I'll take the World Series win over the years of good but never winning the world series teams.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 07:13 PM) Yep you are supposed to bow at the JR shrine , no matter how far his loyalty to ex players runs the team into the ground and like it. Hell with that, I was a Sox fan before he owned the team and will be long after he is gone. I don't think anyone has said that. That is taking the "I hate JR" to the extreme. I think it's more the posters that are trying to say that no one currently with this team has done anything to help this team. That is extremely short sighted and big on revisionist history. I just disagree with the comment that he has done nothing for this team or franchise.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 07:11 PM) Thank you. 0 World Series.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 06:48 PM) So does this excuse the state we're in? Just look at everything now. The entire organization top to bottom is viewed publically as dynsfunctional, decrepit, and unable or unwilling to change. I'll be willing to bet when the time comes and a new owner takes over, immediate changes will take place for the White Sox and within 5 years everyone will know (whether it was publically stated by then) that our current regime in 2016 severly impacted the future of the ballclub because JR just didn't want a rebuild This is currently true which is why changes need to be made now. This is not true for the entire reign of JR however.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 06:25 PM) Basically BS. Look up the Sox record from 1951-1981. 16 straight winning seasons from 1951-67. Winning seasons in 72 and 77. On the way to 4 straight losing seasons with 2016. 2 of those stretches during the JR regime. Prior to that 68-77, 4 straight losing. You have to go back then to the end of WW II to find another bad stretch You go by record. I go by championships. how much would this board complain about the team if the currently were on the winning season streak with no championships. there would be complaining about how they can't finish a season or how the manager burns out the players and they can't win the world Series. The point of the game is Winning the World series or not.

QUOTE (Flash Tizzle @ Aug 7, 2016 -> 06:42 PM) Poor drafting/development is #1 and Terrible FA signings are 1a. I agree it's not necessary to overspend on talent, but it's not just excusable anymore to chalk up our failures with FA signings as bad luck or being snake bitten. We're consistently selecting the wrong person year after year when comparable players for similar salaries are achieving success. This just compounds our failures with issue #1 It does but I don't think it's the primary reason. The primary failure is the drafting/developing of players. that leads to all of the others.