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QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:53 PM) Vicarious suffering in order to subconsciously acknowledge suppressed disassociated trauma.... That's my guess at least. I thought he just hated the White sox organization and wants sweeping changes.....Huh, who knew.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) I'm glad I don't work for a bunch of uptight assholes. And they are glad that you aren't there as well.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 01:18 PM) Abreu did not count towards the international signing limits due to service time already incurred in Cuba, that is correct. Alexei was signed before those were implemented, but the same thing probably would have happened to him. If Viciedo had been signed for that contract after the CBA that instituted the international limits, his contract would have blown past the limits and incurred a next year penalty. Thanks, I was just curious as to how the White Sox could spend that much money on the INTL market yet not be assessed the penalty.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:57 PM) Like I pointed out earlier, a lot of the anti-immigrant resentment in Britain is directed as Polish immigrants. I don't know if Britons have a different racial view of Polish people, though. edit: there's definitely plenty of over-the-top racism in Europe, though. e.g. black athletes getting pelted with bananas. Yes, racism does exist everywhere. However, over there I ran into much more "we hate you because you are from another country." One example is: I was walking to dinner with some friends in Germany. All of a sudden they pulled me to the side and told me we had to wait to go down the street. I didn't know why until I saw a group of workers going into a factory for a night shift and another group leaving the factory. They were on opposite sides of the street and all of a sudden ran at each other into a big fight. It lasted about 5 minutes and then they each went on their way. My comment was "What the f@&k was that. The reply was that the group leaving were Turks and the German workers do not get along with them because the take jobs from the Germans.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) All money decisions are ownership decisions. This premature "going for it" and bogus "3 year window" (when the core was signed for 5/6 years) was probably an ownership decision or a KW decision. it was totally unrealistic and had little chance of working (as we are seeing). But for as long as KW has worked with JR and for as long as Hahn has worked with KW, he's got to have developed some trust. And he should have told JR to wait a year or 2 until we rebuild this thing and THEN we'll go for it. In the meantime, spend some money on the organization. But KW was probably the "go for it" instigator. Unbelievable........

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:36 PM) There was a 57% spike in reported hate crimes across the UK after the vote, and that's just the reported ones not the 18 year olds on trains yelling "Go back to Africa". But then, if you roll your eyes hard enough, you either won't see that or you can convince yourself it's a good thing. Having spent a fair amount of time at athletic events in europe, I think much of it is based on nationality not race. Many of them think it's just "other" people taking jobs and being a drain financially on the country especially one with the NHS.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:21 PM) IIRC the last few years they've spent up to very close to their international limit without going over, which to me is actually a fairly sensible way to do it because the penalty the next year will hurt and piling up a large number of guys does seem to increas the chances of a success story. I agree.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) No chance. If they aren't going over, Jerry is the reason. Jerry doesn't believe in paying amateur lottery tickets that much money. It's why the drafting sucked forever. Reinsdorf would rather spend that $$ on the big league club instead of on amateurs. It's why he pushed for the new slotting system. KW liked toolsy athletes and JR liked saving money. That's how you settle for the Keenyn Walker's of the world. There is now way that Hahn can decide to spend $20 million on the INTL market and pay a 100% overage without getting it cleared first. How did guys like Abreu, Alexei and viciedo fit into this?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 12:06 PM) No chance. If they aren't going over, Jerry is the reason. Jerry doesn't believe in paying amateur lottery tickets that much money. It's why the drafting sucked forever. Reinsdorf would rather spend that $$ on the big league club instead of on amateurs. It's why he pushed for the new slotting system. KW liked toolsy athletes and JR liked saving money. That's how you settle for the Keenyn Walker's of the world. There is now way that Hahn can decide to spend $20 million on the INTL market and pay a 100% overage without getting it cleared first. KW didn't like toolsy players all the time. That was a shift from his previous philosophy of safe college players. So what you're saying is that KW/Han have the money to spend up to the INTL limit so not to pay a penalty? Honestly, with how much of a lottery ticket most of these INTL players are, I'm not sure going that far over and paying massive penalties is worth it.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 11:54 AM) You do realize that the INTL market and how much they spend is absolutely dependent on Reinsdorf right? You can criticize Hahn for trades and signings. Not going nuts on the international market is strictly an ownership decision though. Is this true? I'm not sure how the budget is run for the organization. However, could there be a scenario where JR says "here's the budget, spend how you see fit." From this KW/Hahn decides not to put as much in the INTL market and instead focuses elsewhere?

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 11:38 AM) You have to give JR credit, he's got the best stadium lease agreement in baseball: http://www.chicagobusiness.com/article/201...ough-the-summer Now as to why the Sox don't have a much higher payroll and a better talent level given the stadium circumstances, that's a question I can't answer. Mark The Sox are right in the middle of the league for payroll. Money isn't the issue, better talent is.

QUOTE (illinilaw08 @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 09:44 AM) I don't disagree with this, but expanding trade schools and making college more affordable aren't mutually exclusive. At this point, if you don't learn a trade, or go to college, the path to a decent wage is as difficult as it has been since before WW2. I don't see this as a viable option unless the federal government want to dump money into the public university system. The latest proposal from the state of illinois is to send 82% of the FY 2015 budget to the universities, this on top of not sending 70% of last years budget. With the states not sending state schools money, they are essentially driving up the cost of public education.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 05:24 AM) For the first time in 12 years, here's a hi8is started game thread. I can't sleep, clowns will eat me. In the White corner... Hailing from Newhall California, a battered and bruised ill advised trade acquisition seeking a redemptive start to begin undoing heaps of chunk filled vomit that has been flung all about the baseball world at historic levels. Supporting his quest, a putrid offensive attack who's main contribution as of late has come from a rookie with like 28 games of AAA experience. If this band of brothers hits 7 home runs in a single game - have no fear, they still may lose. In the Twinkie corner... Coming from Who the f*** Knows and Who the f*** Cares is Ricky "the b**** boy" Nolasco. Last minute scouting reports break astounding news that this right handed hack job hasn't been able to find his dental retainer for the past 4 days and is now PISSED OFF. His ERA+ and WHIP add up to the amount of women I've slept with if you move a decimal point over a couple spaces to the right. As such, logic blaintently tells us he is likely to throw a 2 hit complete game shutout against the Sox. Leading the little toothed fish stick attack is someone not named Joe. hi8is take away point: bet the house on a called strike in the 3rd inning on Shield's 97th pitch of the night. It will be a ball, low and away - however the umpire will be too busy smelling his hand after checking himself for skid marks and will as such - make a bad call. In all seriousness, I hope this is the start of a 11 game winning streak so I'll have 10 more chances to top this entirely retarded stroke of juxtaposited genius. Gold I tell you... Gold. I'm impressed. Your clowns must be really scary to come up with this.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jun 29, 2016 -> 09:29 AM) If Hahn had included Anderson in a trade for the 34 year old rapidly declining Shields, Hahn should have been put into an asylum. From what I've seen, Shields can't do much on the mound anymore... Hahn is apparently looking at what he once did in the past and wishcasting that Cooper "saw something he can fix". The free agent comp should be someone like Latos, not Kennedy or Zimmerman. Zimmerman is contract is for 110 million and Kennedy s is for 70. The 27 for Shields puts him in different risk-reward category.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 08:42 AM) I'm curious on your cost of school statistics. I graduated just over 10 years ago, and tuition at my school has doubled (so can't even fathom the 50% increase as what I'm talking about is largely relative to the entire cal state system...I didn't go to a private school). I'll just look at my alma mater over the past 10 years. Today's annual tuition is 5,472. The last year I went there (05/06), it was $2520 (and that was up a good chunk from when I started in 02). http://calstate.edu/budget/student-fees/fe...n-history.shtml Sorry, my bad on that one. I went back and looked and I read the charts wrong. Please ignore that whole scenario.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 10:27 PM) Once again, Southsider, you are wrong. Argumentative, as usual, but still wrong. You talk about Anderson, implying how astute Hahn was not to trade Tim Anderson? Give me a break. Preller's negotiating ploy was to drop Anderson's name, knowing it will be quickly refused. Then he goes down the food chain and comes up with Tatis, and Hahn started rubbing Preller's leg. Shields is not dirt cheap. Nice metaphor. No one else was trying to trade for the innings eater. At any price. And you think because Tatis was not in Sox Top 30 list, he is automatically expendable for Shields? Using your words, Let's be honest. He is 17, just signed 2-4 months ago, and never played stateside at time of this horrible trade. How could he possibly be in Top 30? Preller is chirping in San Diego Its amazing how much insider information you have on this deal. You say that no one else was trying to trade for him yet media reports have the red sox, orioles, tigers and dodgers all in talks with the padres. He is dirt cheap at 9 million not at 18 but the padres are paying roughly half to not pitch for them.

QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 03:42 PM) Trump. I don't think he has a realistic shot at winning. I'm hoping for something different yet has credible chance of winning.

QUOTE (Y2HH @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 11:03 AM) I'm convinced Clinton is a lock. Trump may get a short term bump at some point, but just let him talk...the more he talks, the more he buries his own chances. That said, fine, with the timelines I agree...but I'm also no fan of Trump. I'm still weary of another member of the US Monarchy, however...that being of the Bush/Clinton monarchy. I think she will govern close to how her husband did, to be honest. She's not the worst candidate I've seen -- despite what a lot of people want to claim -- but the idea of another member of the royal us family bothers me. What Clinton means to me is more of the same...nothing major will change, and if it does, it'll become some bastardized version of what they wanted ala the ACA. I agree with all of this. i'm not a fan of either Trump or clinton. My only hope for this entire election is that people will realize that more of the same just isn't working and hopefully in 2020 a good candidate will emerge.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 04:18 PM) Man, once the slotting system got implemented we've become way better at this whole drafting thing. Yes, once it stopped being "who ever spends the most money wins" the Sox have been more successful. The late 80s, early 90s run was pretty good as well

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 11, 2016 -> 04:10 PM) Exactly. Any business owner who employs college students or anybody for that matter and does not pay them a cent under the wink, wink guise of an internship should be thrown in jail. If I were an employer I would feel like the cheapest bastard alive. It in un-American. It is a fricking travesty. Our country should be ashamed of itself. Unpaid internships. I would LOVE to get one of the owners on the phone and give them a piece of my mind over this abhorrent practice!!! It is the American dream to work and be paid for the f***ing work not have the employer get free work out of somebody under the pretence of academia!!!! I still disagree. Why should the company lose money to take college students on internships? From our view, many of the hospitals couldn't afford to take them if they had to pay them as well.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Thinking Hub Arkush cries every time he says something positive about the Bears is fanboyism. Agreeing with radio hosts that the 85 Bears are old news and the excessive celebration of that team is a product of a terrible organization is just common sense. Dan Bernstein isn't particularly intelligent, but he's on the money on this. I would disagree. That team was something special, one of the most dominate team in any given season in any sport. It was enjoyable to watch them play at anytime. The didn't win, they dominated. Yes, it sucks the Bears haven't won since but that should be separate from continuing to enjoy that season.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 28, 2016 -> 10:56 AM) I'm actually surprised it's only 40% With big power comes big Ks

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 08:19 PM) Rondon or Alvarez would be nice bench guys, 2-3 years from now...just not sure if the Sox have the patience to wait on their bats to come around. With the offensive challenges this organization faces, though, not sure that we could afford to give up that much OPS for defense-first players. Then we have the "Carlos Sanchez/Saladino" problem...where a player gets stereotyped as a utility guy after a limited number of major league at-bats that aren't that success (500's OPS). The same thing more or less happened with Semien, and then Micah just didn't have the arm to play other positions other than second or he would have fallen into the same trap as well. Leury Garcia's another obvious name that comes to mind. And Eduardo Escobar. Guess it's not such a great thing to claim we specialize in developing "utility" infielders. They were earmarked for utility roles in the minors. This was based on scouting the tools and performances over the years, not based on the MLB play.

QUOTE (Dizzy Sox @ Jun 27, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) FWIW, look at Anderson's walks month-by-month in the minors over the last two years. In both instances he goes from none/very little walks to, well, not a lot but at least some: A M J J A 2016 0 8 2015 1 4 5 6 8 Hopefully we will see the same progression in the majors...otherwise he's going to be limiting himself to a bottom third of the order profile. He will get a few. However, he won't get to a point where posters won't comment or complain about it. He will never be in the "acceptable" range for walks. I think he will be a better than average hitter when people look at the body of work.

QUOTE (Tex @ Jun 24, 2016 -> 07:18 AM) I agree. It's just a little odd in college admissions. Having a diverse, world wide representation of students creates a rich and powerful learning environment. As you know most of what you learn in college is from your fellow students. Mixing prior knowledge from around the world, not just from Texas public schools, improves the university. It is also ironic that the woman who first brought the suit would not have been admitted if she were a minority. She didn't qualify academically. I have real mixed feelings on this. I agree that using race in most instances is wrong. About the only area I see a basis is education where it does improve the overall product. It's almost like hiring actors for a production. You know what you want the end product to look like and you hire the actors that make the production best. The bigger issue is more socioeconomic factors. Inner city public schools tend to have a more difficult time getting students ready for college. These schools also tend to have more minorities. So part of the reason for the "discrimination" is to diversify the education, to strengthen it but also to give those who had a disadvantage in high school more of a chance. It is really one with mixed feelings all around.