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QUOTE (Dunt @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 09:39 AM) At this stage, I think it's fair to say Chris Sale will probably be the best pitcher the White Sox ever have. Big Ed Walsh puts him to shame.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 10:59 PM) Yea but the stock right now is "buy". He's 22 and pitching in MLB, he was put in some really horse s*** spots early on. He's been lucky on HR rate no doubt but for the most part he's held his own and lately he's been turning it on. Also, the raw stuff is there. Those concerns about his fastball falling to 90-93 seem laughable at this point. I still can't believe in my lifetime the Sox drafted the #1 overall player in the draft by a huge margin and they somehow got him at #3. Thank god for the f***ing rules changes a couple years ago on bonuses. He wasn't put in bad spots. He was put in easyspots. His first first hitter was a lefty who can't hit lefties. Hejust pitched poorly early on and has made some adjustments and improved.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 06:21 PM) Price does the same type of thing, right? I really haven't watched Price in detail. It's more comparable to Peavy, although not that drastic.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 04:59 PM) I personally think his ceiling is higher than Chris Sale. He could be the best pitcher in the league someday. Until he gets those pitch counts down, this will not happen.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 05:32 PM) His motion is sexy. The way he drives through his massive trunks for legs...well, yea. He's built like a linebacker. Maybe his hips are tight and that's what leads to the poor motion at the end.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 03:30 PM) I just hope he actually CAN improve his command without substantial mechanical changes. Not sure if this is behind a paywall, but if it is, everyone should consider getting a BP subscription SOLELY to read Doug Thorburn pieces: www.baseballprospectus.com/article.php?articleid=26343 Throburn provides the most complete analysis of pitching mechanics I've seen anywhere, and it almost could not be more interesting, IMO. A couple excerpts from his conclusion section: Anyway, if Thorburn likes his mechanics, then I do too. He worked for some private company that did a ton of biomechanical research for teams. He is correct for the most part although his version of mechanics is in line with the Andrews/wilk group out of birmingham. The one aspect that still concerns me which he didn't address is the follow through. This will be the continuing problem of high pitch counts and walks. The author states that he get past some issues due to the arm strength and this may be an issue later on due to the poor deceleration phase.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 04:17 PM) At least we know he won't show too much emotion after her name is announced Did you see where some parents were fined 500.00 and charged with disorderly conduct for this? I thought it was hilarious.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 10, 2015 -> 12:48 PM) Lewis-Clark St Col (ID), seriously? MidAmerica Nazarene U (KS) Gannon University (PA) Almost took a job at Gannon. Good PT program and faculty.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:32 PM) Love Carson Fulmer. Not because he's Sonny Gray 2.0. He isn't. Delivery isn't nearly as bad as others think, though, and stuff is monstrous. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/608060863644332032 Delivery isn't really mechanically bad but it is pretty high effort.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 07:01 PM) Cubs going all the hitters, haha. Opposite of the White Sox, all the pitchers/all the lefties. That is always their prefernce. Hitters aremuch easierto projectin the analytics. So they draft the safer players and spend the big contracts on pitching.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 8, 2015 -> 01:08 PM) It's what you do with the warts drafts that make you a good organization. In other words, luck.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 10:21 PM) If the White Sox come off a season so disappointing they need to fire Ventura (or he steps down), it's likely Sox fans would expect an "immediate impact" manager like a Francona or Maddon in order for them to buy into the idea of competing right away in 2016. At this point, I'm not sure whether solid choices are good enough when they have to hit a home run. It would also seem they would have to go back in the direction of a more demanding/controlling coach who's closer to a micromanager (like a Showalter, Gibson or LaRussa) than someone very loose and relaxed with the players ala Robin. If the team hires the manger based on the type the fans want, they are already so far in trouble it doesn't matter what else they do. They will need to hire the best person for the job in the opinion of the FO.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 7, 2015 -> 05:49 PM) I don't think Charlotte has the greatest roster. When we discuss players to be called up to help the White Sox, the options seem limited. Yet Skinner has them playing well with one of the best records in the International League. Maybe there is an internal option should Hahn decide he needs to jumpstart this team. I'm not a fan of mid-season changes in baseball. However, if the Sox decide to change after the season, I agree he would be a good choice. Everyone in baseball likes him as a manager. He is a good communicator and handles players well.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 5, 2015 -> 10:59 AM) Quite a few front office people....hard to pinpoint just one. Brett Anderson is a name that nobody trusted this offseason but he would have been a better move since we would have controlled his rights multiple years, not given up any talent and corned the lefty pitching market. Rasmus would have been a better solution than Cabrera....younger, better defender, takes more walks and more pop. Not to mention Kendrys Morales going to the Royals and Victor Martinez staying might have decided the division. Free agency is always a crapshoot...especially for the White Sox. Martinez has player in only 60% of the Tigers games and has an OPS of .578. If you think he is the difference in the season, you must think Tyler flowers is the savior for the Sox season as he has a higher OPS than Martinez.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 09:15 PM) I think it's safe to say that Sale is the best athlete in the history of sports. He ain't no athlete, he's a baseball player.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 12:01 PM) Ah, makes sense. Thanks. Still though, I'm a little surprised they let him try to wobble off, and get carried like that, in his state. I can understand not putting him on a board, with what you described. I've never been to that stadium but many MiLB ballparks don't have carts so that really is the best way to get him off the field.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jun 3, 2015 -> 08:18 AM) Writing the recap now, but I don't want to write it there, so I'll put this here... Paging PTATC (bat signal, lol)... I am a former EMT. The first thought I have after watching that May/Anderson collision on video is... why in the hell was Jacob May allowed to stand up, and be carried off like that, when he so obviously had a head/neck injury? Our protocol on these things was simple. If we suspected a head or C-Spine injury, it was 1) loose traction, then 2) neck brace or board brace, then 3) back board or KED board, and onto a stretcher to go. None of that was done. Why? He was cleared by the physician on the field. In your case an EMT is not qualified to examine and clear for neuro or fracture type injuries. If the physician wasn't there to clear him they probably would have followed the protocol you described.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ May 22, 2015 -> 09:25 AM) Pass. Bad mechanics, hard used. I would disagree. Other than a low arm slot the mechanics are high effort but pretty good.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jun 1, 2015 -> 06:29 PM) No, it's Callo. With a C. Jerry? The NYC lawyer.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 29, 2015 -> 07:05 PM) Example #1A of what the slider does to your arm. Chris Cotillo ‏@ChrisCotillo 25m25 minutes ago Strasburg looked like he grimaced after last pitch (his 16th), but not apparent exactly where injury is. William Ladson ‏@washingnats 28m28 minutes ago Something is wrong with #Strasburg. He is now out of the game. Only when you throw it improperly. Pitchers just like to do that to increase the movement

QUOTE (LDF @ May 30, 2015 -> 06:43 PM) in the medical sense, ok. but i am talking about tweak knees, jammed shoulders, twisted ankles. rest it. take a day or 2 to see how it looks. i am not talking about ingrown nails in a finger or toes, a sore gluteal muscles for sliding the wrong way. sports players do not like to be substituted. Doesn't matter. This is where the Sox are better than other teams. The medical staff has been consistent for decades. They have earned the ability to tell the team when a player should or shouldn't go. I want all players to refuse to come out. That's the competitive nature. This is why you need a manager you will listen to the medical staff. Each of those issues you listed need to be treated differently and this group has the experience.

QUOTE (LDF @ May 30, 2015 -> 01:30 PM) aches and pains are 1 thing, but when somebody has problems walking for jogging, you, as the person in charge, should play it safe. esp early in the season. a day or 2 rest and see how it responds. again esp in the early part of the season. btw, no offense but who cares what anyone says in a game thread. i am talking about the sox, the team and the whole org. does this mean i want the manager to play it safe on all players with all kind of aches and pains. no but using common sense is called for. This is not necessarily the case. There are many injuries that truly are day to day. The tendonosis and other tendon irritations can't always be predicted. He injures it, there is no structural tears, so they give it a try. That is normal protocol. It didn't improve/got worse that is when you need to rest it for a bit.

QUOTE (fathom @ May 30, 2015 -> 12:05 AM) Dan Hayes ‏@CSNHayes 6m6 minutes ago Jose Abreu is headed to the hospital for x-rays. Said he initially hurt his finger two weeks ago in Chicago. #WhiteSox Hopefully he's ok, but has to be concerning it's still swollen after two weeks The swelling wouldn't be the uncommon for baseball players as it continually irritated by the vibrations and movement from the bat. The issues starts if the pain hasn't decreased in this period of time. Without knowing the mechanism of injury, it's impossible to soeculate on what it is or how ling it will be. He could have torn one of the cruciate or ring ligaments and need reconstruction syrgery or he could have brusied it and need a little rest.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:43 PM) Good post but how much of this "aggression" was KW and JR and how much of it was Hahn? It's too bad we have little clue of how the decisionmaking process works. From the JR statement on Thibs it seems he tries to some "decision by consensus" that rarely, if ever works. I would just broom the entire FO outside of Hahn, let him hire his own people, give him a 3 year window, and see what happens. I don't think it matters. I know most people want to blame a person. They feel better if they can point to a single person for their anger/frustration. It's human nature, especially in this generation, to want to point fingers at a person. I would say "front office" and hold the entire group responsible as it is most likely group decisions.

QUOTE (Jake @ May 29, 2015 -> 12:40 PM) If you want to point a finger at somebody for why we aren't having a good year, the finger should point at Rick Hahn. I wouldn't necessarily endorse firing Hahn, either, but the players just aren't very good. He was aggressive in the offseason but there was too far to go. The team has the talent to compete, but we were always going to have to get lucky. We haven't gotten lucky. Some of the players that are normally not that good are once again not that good. Big shock, Tyler Flowers, Geo Soto, Conor Gillaspie, Emilio Bonifacio, John Danks, Hector Noesi, etc. aren't kicking ass out there. I would re-phrase that to "some of them just aren't having good years." This would be Abreu, LaRoche, Cabrera, Sale, JS., Quentana. These are players with track records and aren't living up to it so far. The aren't very good ones are the ones you listed but if the previously mentioned ones were having "typical years" this team would be well above .500.