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QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:02 AM) Semien, Danish, and Bassitt?? That would make my heart hurt. Danish and bassitt could make this a bad deal for sox.

QUOTE (thxfrthmmrs @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 01:01 AM) Not really, Bassitt has more value than both Thompson and Beck Yes. He already has shown promise at the mlb level.

QUOTE (Bigsoxhurt35 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:57 AM) @susanslusser: Big-league source tells Chronicle: #Athletics to get RHP Chris Bassitt from #WhiteSox as well as infielder Marcus Semien (as expected). That deal makes more sense. Bassitt is aqulity mlb ready player. It hurts but still a good deal. I really like bassitt's potential.

QUOTE (Baron @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:46 AM) I guess they couldnt not talk about the Yankees for a few minutes Yeah. Heyman actually said this whole talk about the white sox well and good but let's not forget how it effects the yankees. Sorry it was joel sherman who said that not Heyman.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:19 AM) Regardless. This is the biggest news day for the White Sox fans since October 26th, 2005. True.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:16 AM) Jesus Christ. This is something else. I hope everyone is relishing this as much as I am. If its the reported deal.

Mlb network just said the deal is officially done. But no names yet.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:07 AM) LMAO ******** sportscenter, they did fall for a fake account. Wait FoxSports reported it as well..... Figures. I knew it looked like stealing.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:07 AM) I feel like this deal isn't true and espn messed up It does seem too good.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 9, 2014 -> 12:00 AM) SportsCenterVerified account ‏@SportsCenter BREAKING: A's trade Jeff Samardzija to White Sox for Marcus Semien, Trayce Thompson & Chris Beck. Holy crap. That is stealing from the A's.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 11:32 PM) I t hink he can multi-task and talk to a few gms at once. I told you he can work on more than one deal at a time.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 11:29 PM) I agree. I would think Hahn would want to get this done ASAP, so he could work on the next deal fresh tomorrow morning, and not think about it all night and then wake up tomorrow to "Well, Cherington sent me a text last night offering Jackie Bradley Jr. and Raunado, so I've got to go with his offer" or some s***. I mean, it's not even 10 pm there yet. I t hink he can multi-task and talk to a few gms at once.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 11:24 PM) Whoa.. mlb network has been talking about the white sox for over 3 minutes now. Not only that but gave them a compliment andsaid they would be contenders for the division.

Nightingale on mlb just said that the deal right now is semien and a minor league piece.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:54 PM) Yeah, we're comparing to the "average replacement" player, which means that lots of replacements will be better or worse than 0 WAR. I think the main thing about WAR that is counterintuitive is just that it's not going to give any one player a ton of credit for winning a game. You're not going to play so well in a single that game that you get anything close to 1 WAR. But, in our minds, we might be thinking, "this game was won by THIS guy." But WAR says no, all kinds of other guys had to not f*** up to make that possible so they get some measure of credit (even if credit = not being docked WAR). But it also seeks to remove context, so that if Clayton Kershaw played for teams that aren't nearly as good, we still can compare him to players that are on great teams. Pitching WAR is a little more debatable. Over small sample sizes, including at the level of a single season, FIP-based WAR is generally more accurate. Over longer stretches, though, RA/9-WAR is better...you can think of that as an ERA-based WAR. I usually look at both. Actually from my analysis of various stats I like SIERA for pitching. It relyydoes the best job of isolating the pitcher's responsibility for runs scored which really what is all about.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:39 PM) Lets look at this another way, Kershaw was 21-3 with a WAR of 7.5. Did the average starter who made as few starts as Kershaw, did the average replacement level starter win that many games? I know there are other aspects that contribute but then go as far as the average winning percentage, etc. I don't know the answer just posing the thought. However, I'd also point out that you can't just add WAR's and say that is how many more games you will actually win. I know you just can't add WAR. This is also part of the problem as its too abstract. You also cannot use the average players as it doesn't pertain to the average player When the cimment was used it was said that lester couldn't provide 15-20 more wns because kershaw only had a 7 WAR. So this would assume lester woud take the place of the cubs worst or 5 starter not even an average starter Anyway this is discussion for another day.

QUOTE (Jake @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:40 PM) I would venture to guess that WAR has more correlation to actual wins than any other statistic I really can't see that. Supposedly WAR looks at "just another guy" that can be acquired but not an average. Kershaw is only 7 wins better than him and that is the top in the game? Sorry to derail the discussion Ill stop but using WAR as the only justification to refute a comment whenit is so abstract always irks me.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:34 PM) 5-7 pitching wins? I have no idea, because pitching wins are largely random. Quintana had a 5.3 WAR last season and had 9 pitching wins. Eric Stultz had a -0.6 WAR last season and had 8 pitching wins. They don't have any impact or correlation to WAR. Exactly, so the WAR is abtract enough that how will you know if it actually is a good thing to help your team. So how does a GM build a team based on something that has no correlation to actual wins. Especially when the elusive replacement player doesn't exist either.

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:26 PM) If that #5 pitcher has a 0 WAR all season and is considered replacement value. And 0 WAR would be what? 5 wins 7 wins?

QUOTE (Chilihead90 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 10:15 PM) What Dempster just described is not an ace, it's whatever superlative is used to a player who has a season 2-3x that of what Clayton Kershaw and his measly 7 WAR produced last season. I realize he doesn't know he just suggested that, but saying a single player will add "xxx" amount of wins to your team is just asking for WAR to be used to evaluate your assertion. This is where WAR loses its value. Does it say that kershaw would only contribute 7 more wins than the #5 starter from the white sox? So when your average 5 starter only goes 5 7nnings and kershaw averages 7, he doesn't save the pen and more wins because better pitchers pitch more often.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 09:56 PM) Umm he is a lefty 2B I thought hewas abbreviating michalczewski as someone rumored him in the trade. I didn't see the rumor of johnson. Iwould MUCH rather keep johnson and trade semien.

QUOTE (TheFutureIsNear @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 09:53 PM) Micah is actually the one I think we could end up regretting trading, more so Semien. Agreed. Potential switch hitting 3B.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 08:44 PM) Plus if Hahn does get to trade Danks to say PIT, that saves money for a guy like Masterson or a bullpen piece. Sale Quintana Samardzija Masterson Bassitt/Noesi My previous scenario was based on Noesi going in the trade as someone speculated.

QUOTE (shipps @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 08:42 PM) Couldn't we still sign a guy like Masterson? Shark will not take up much of payroll unless we sign him long term. That works too. I was just stating it, if the sox put the rest of their resources into the pen or LF

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 8, 2014 -> 08:37 PM) Dealing Noesi doesn't do much for us. You do upgrade that spot in the rotation A LOT, but now the Sox would have a major hole at the #5 Sale Q JS Danks Bassitt/rodon I'm good with that.