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QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 08:06 PM) lol, Gillaspie is not a starting position player at the MLB level. Get his two month hot streak out of your head, jesus. No one knows how Davidson would have played had he started in Chicago, so your argument that he wouldn't have been ready is just as "illogical" as me thinking getting sent back to AAA didn't have something to do with him struggling, even if its not the only reason. I disagree. Gillaspie has shown he can play over a full season. All Star no. Solid regular, sp far. You can say you think Davidson would have done well. However, there are 2 things we know. 1.Davidson had a bad year. He could very well have had a bad years if they kept. 2. Gillaspie had a good year at the MLB level. Everything else is just guessing.

QUOTE (TRU @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 07:35 PM) Nope. This was a 99 loss team, there was no reason for a guy like Gillaspie to be starting at 3B for this team. Davidson was ready and played well in his call up with Arizona the season before. Just because it "worked out" doesn't make it the right move. Gillaspie is worthless to this team, and he will never be on a Sox playoff team. Davidson should have been up here from the get go. Instead, they shipped him to AAA when he shouldnt have been and that to me seems like the biggest reason for his struggles as most of his stats line up with what he did in the minors before. Yes ,there was. The Sox found out they have a real good hitter in Gillaspie. Davidson has proven nothing yet. If he is so weak mentality that this ruined his career, he wasn't going to have anyway. The plan was probably to let Davidson play a month or so to get him on a roll and then bring him up. However, he proved he wasn't ready.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 05:13 PM) Mike Caruso. Sammy Sosa. Mike Cameron. Kenny Williams. Caruse would be there but at least he had 1 really good season. Sosa was a good player. Cameron was just getting good before he was traded for a really good player. KW brought 2005. He had one shining moment.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 05:09 PM) Beckham's defense has been poor the last couple years. Borchard never did what Beckham did right after being called up. That's what I mean at least Beckham showed something for a little. Borchard never showed anything in the MLB with more money invested. Beckham's defense wasn't as good lately but earlier he played well.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 05:01 PM) Thus ends the most disappointing career of a white sox player I can remember. Borchard? I believe his bonus was a lot more and he did nothing, except hit the longest HR I've seen in a game at the Cell. Beckham at least brought defense.

QUOTE (Charlie Haeger's Knuckles @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 03:19 PM) Does anyone believe a system that places so much power to a "corporation" that works me 65 hours a week for a meager salary and shoddy "health insurance" while pocketing all the profits I produce for the "corporation" is fair? MLB and its owners are no different than any other Capitalism-empowered moneygrabbing machine. They put up the money and took the risk to start up/acquire the "corporation." You took no risk. With the risk comes the reward.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 04:55 PM) We should know shortly who's getting promoted, as Charlotte's game starts at 5:30. L. Garcia the new White Sox 2B.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 03:27 PM) How many survive prostate/breast cancer v ALS? Without getting into the one vs. the other, one of the true problems with ALS is that the medical community cannot figure it out. There have no significant advances since the time that Lou Gehrig died. Hopefully this new fund raiser gives the research a jump start and people with ALS hope.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 11:14 AM) He has had big problems getting the ball down for multiple starts now. The pitch with the greatest velocity is the 4 seamer up in the zone.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Aug 21, 2014 -> 11:09 AM) His average velocity has been at 90 or above in two of his last three starts. That's a 2-3 MPH improvement from where he's been most of the year. If he can be in the low 90s next year, I have no doubt he can be a valuable starter for us. I'm just not sure that's a reasonable expectation at this point. The problem is his command has been off as well. I wonder if he is trying to overthrow and it's causing the problems.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 08:04 PM) I'm shocked it was upheld. Logically it makes sense for it to do so, but by the letter of the rule, it doesn't make any sense, there's nothing in there that supports it. I have no idea how they got away with that. A tarp is not mechanical. One of the guys moving it had a prosthetic arm.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:38 PM) If Jake Peavy was the only ticking time bomb we acquired that blew up, then we'd be in good shape. We wound up with a lot that exploded simultaneously. Probably, but the trade really didn't cost much either. It was worth the price. The Sox did have a lot explode. however, it regards to the GM, they really any that you even have a hint of occurring, so during his evaluation I really wouldn't say they were bad moves.

QUOTE (fathom @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:26 PM) He missed a month in 2008 with a sore elbow Ok. That would be a caution. However, it doesn't seem to have caused any issues down the road as I don't think he has missed any other time because of his elbow.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 04:05 PM) You cannot possibly tell me that Jake Peavy had no injury history prior to the Sox acquiring him. I don't believe he had any shoulder or arm issues. I could be wrong but the only one I remember is when they acquired him and he had an ankle issue that was resolved in an appropriate time. One injury not to his arm, that was resolved in an appropriate time is not a history of injury.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:51 PM) The post I replied to did not assign fault, it simply noted that Dunn and Danks were the 2 biggest problems in the last 4 years. I felt Rios's failure and Peavy's injury have to be on that list as they sabotaged the "all-in" season as well. And of course, its worth noting that "deals which seem good at the time" isn't a standard by which a successful GM will be evaluated, but instead it's going to be whether in the long term those deals were correct. If your team spends $100 million per year and half that money is spent on people who get injured or massively underperform their expectation, then a reasonable conclusion is that your GM isn't doing a very good job of making player decisions even if they appear solid at the time. I agree that the GM should be evaluated based on the players under performance. However, I disagree that it's a reasonable conclusion that injuries should be held against them, if there is no injury history. That is an impossibility to predict. Especially, when the deals were team favorable at the time. the only deal that was really a calculated risk that failed was Rios. when doing evaluations you are really assigning praise for good things and fault for the bad things. If you say bad things happened but did not assign them the fault, then it isn't their fault and the evaluation of the GM would have to be positive.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:45 PM) Eduardo Escobar has turned himself into a solid defensive shortstop and has already put up 2 WAR on this season. He's effectively been a $10 million+ player this year. His OPS this year is also >700, which isn't bad from the shortstop spot. It's not bad. But he is still mostly a part time player. I don't think anyone still looks at him and says "I'd really like to have him." He was still worth the chance that Liriano could have helped. The Sox aren't really worse off without him.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:25 PM) Peavy's injury and 2011 Rios fit on that list also along with the other 2 deals blowing up. How can fault a GM for weird injuries in pitchers without a history of arm injuries? Neither deal was one of the crazy 7 year deals. They were considered good deals at the time.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:22 PM) I would say Gio Gonzalez, Chris Young, Dan Hudson, Eduardo Escobar, and Nick Masset all have amounted to something or another at one point in time. Gonzalez is really the only one maybe Young to a lesser extent. Masset was ok. Hudson only pitched 50 or so after the Sox and Escobar has played in only about 180 with an OPS of 668. That really isn't much compared to all the moves.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 03:11 PM) Dunn. Keppinger and Downs, to a lesser extent. Swisher. Javy. Edwin Jackson. Manny Ramirez. Liriano, Myers and Youkilis. Griffey, Jr. Dunn was not a marginal upgrade. At the time he was one of the most dependable LH HR bats in the league Downs was a very dependable LH reliever, especially LOOGy Keppinger was basucally Gillaspie. A 300 hitter with a fair glove. all the rest cost no money and didn't create any mess what so ever.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 11:13 AM) No one is against spending money in FA in general, but many are against spending it simply for the sake of spending it, because that's how you end up painted in a corner. Hahn's plan is much larger than Chris Sale and Jose Abreu and how both fit into a "contention window" -- it's about building a healthy organization that can enjoy sustained success. Panicking and buying marginal upgrades at market rate simply because they were the best available is precisely how we ended up in this "mess" to begin with. I think that, fortunately, KW's willingness to pay out the nose for upgrades without long-term commitments has afforded us the ability to crawl out of the "rock bottom" phase of the rebuild sooner, but that doesn't mean we should forget the big picture in year two and start acting like Jim Hendry all of a sudden. Who are these "marginal upgrade" players that caused the mess?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 01:32 PM) “No baseball player will have a normal MRI,” Dines said. “If someone has a congenitally small ulnar collateral ligament, even if they tear it and you reconstruct it, you can always make it bigger. And it’s almost a foregone conclusion these days that a young pitcher who throws in the upper 90s will at some point have a reconstruction anyway. “When I read the reports about Aiken, I thought that there might be some concern about the bony anatomy where the ligament attaches, perhaps the medial epicondyle. If that is damaged or abnormal, you’re left with less bone there to reconstruct the ligament, and that can mean that a reconstruction won’t always work. They must have thought, for some reason, that a future reconstruction would not take.” PTAC? from si.com story on Aiken The statement is accurate for the reconstruction. You need to drill a substantial size hole in the medial condyle (not really the epicondyle but that's semantics, it's the same area). the tendon that is used to replace the ligament is much larger than the original so there needs to be room with which to work. However, I have never been involved in a case where the condyle was too small. It's conceivable, I guess, but I've never seen nor heard of it. Maybe in a case where he had "little leaguer's elbow"as a kid where there is damage to the growth plate on the medial side of the elbow..

QUOTE (bmags @ Aug 20, 2014 -> 09:02 AM) Considering the amount of money that guy makes for being Ditka the personality and not Ditka the coach, I think criticizing the personality is beyond fair game. Fair game, yes. Entertaining sports radio that I want to listen to, no.

You'll enjoy the interview. He's a real good guy.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 03:08 PM) He'll strike out the first nine, then they all just give up. I saw Mark Prior do this in a spring game against the white sox. He struck out the first nine guys in a lineup including Durham, Thomas and Ventura. It was the single best pitching performance I have ever seen live.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Aug 19, 2014 -> 01:31 PM) This is my biggest concern with bringing De Aza back, but I also don't think he is a valueless player. That's the hardest part - at what point do you just say "we'll take the stuff you're offering" instead of getting absolutely nothing? I imagine these are the kinds of offers they have for Dunn and De Aza and it's just hard to accept those when your back isn't up against the wall. Come September 1st, I honestly do not expect either De Aza or Dunn to be on the White Sox roster. I agree that neither will be back. ADA is not a bad player but doesn't really fit. He would make too much money next year for a 4th OF. The Sox could let him go and re-sign him for less than the arb figure if no one else picks him up but I think someone will as he does have value.