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QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 12:13 PM) Poor guy is Ceranno. Can't hit the curve ball. Jobu needs more Rum.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 11:01 AM) So here is my rant. Do people not realize that in a free society bad things are going to happen? That the whole entire point of freedom is giving people the choice to make good or bad decisions. That is what being part of a free country is. So even if I think I am right, that I have the best answers, everyone else in America is free to disagree. I hate f***ing defeatists and their mindless followers. While I do think there are problems here, this is the best statement about the USA. With freedom comes problems. The more control anyone including the government has over your life, the less freedom you have. People have the freedom to be violent and morons. I don't like it, but they are free to choose.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 08:24 AM) Maybe you can track down Eddy Ramirez (the Olympic speed skater) and he could help with translation out in AZ...? And also a short story on why he chose the White Sox to show proper respect to him. It's a cool story. Austin would be REALLY cool because he could tell us lots of cool stories about Rodon to whet our appetite for the future...maybe some hints about when he might be signing, what team Austin will be starting off with (assuming it's one of the short season teams for a start or two but it could be Kanny since that's where Rodon would go sooner or later before Winston-Salem). Typically, players don't really enjoy being interviewed to talk about other players. He just signed his first pro contract, he is excited about what's gong on in his life. You don't want to put a potential interview for later by irritating him now. I really like the idea of Ramirez. I worked with him when he was in the juniors. He is a fun guy and would probably enjoy doing it, unless he is being overwhelmed from other sources.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jun 12, 2014 -> 09:20 AM) He'll cost about $6m (half of the entire value of the Keppinger contract) and another season of Semien/Sanchez/Johnson/Saladino being forced out of position or stuck in AAA. I'm not saying that logjam has been or will be a problem THIS year, but it probably will next year. And it'll be Gordon free agent year. It's time to s*** or get off the pot with him. I wouldn't trade someone just because you have suspects in the minors waiting. You trade someone because you can get something good for them and the suspects make it more palatable. The caveat being if his contract demands will cause budget problems. Beckham has not played well enough that his salary will be cost prohibitive.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 06:15 PM) I had thought this was one of those common myths. Usually there is that period before the surgery where the arm is getting weaker but it's not as noticeable, so after the surgery the pitcher is back to what he actually was, even if he seems stronger. I'm referring to the replaced ligament being stronger not the strength of the pitcher's muscles.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 08:51 PM) I would bet on pitching, since it's the White Sox and we've had some previous examples like Brian Anderson, Jason Dellaero, Sergio Santos, Brooks Kieschnick, etc. Those were position players who switched, but this kid has mostly been known for his work as an infielder, and "dabbled" with pitching, right? One of the things the Tigers' broadcasting crew said that Don Cooper keyed on with Noesi was his "fast arm action" and that he felt they could work with him, despite that disastrous appearance for the Rangers against the Sox (7 runs). So I'm just guessing...but there must be something about his arm action/mechanics/repeatability they really liked when they scouted him. We have more than enough infielders at the moment, anyway. Picked up by the Chicago White Sox a month later and signed to a minor league deal, Kieschnick then radically changed his career approach. Up to this point, Kieschnick had pitched in exactly two minor league games in his career—both token relief appearances in blowout games, one in 1999 and one in 2001. Nevertheless, in the 2002 season Kieschnick switched his primary focus to pitching, hoping to better his chances of making a major league roster as a pitcher who was also a versatile utility player. He ended up spending the entire 2002 season in the minor leagues with the triple-A Charlotte Knights, appearing in 25 games as a relief pitcher, 1 as an outfielder and over 40 as either a pinch-hitter or DH.[2][15] He finished the season batting .275 with 13 home huns in just 189 at bats; as a pitcher, he was 0-1 with a 2.59 ERA in just over 31 innings pitched. He was then signed by the Milwaukee Brewers before the 2003 season...and played the most versatile super utility role of all for 2 seasons, both pitching and hitting. I believe RH said he was a draft for his defensive abilities.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 06:01 PM) Why would you say that? De Oca had 2 TJ surgeries and he just got out of high school. Rodon is a college player who has never had the procedure. How are they even remotely close? Also Coop likes Rodon so I'm assuming there's not some serious or at least unfixable mechanical issues there. I only read about one surgery. Even so, once the ligament is replaced it is stronger than the original, so theoretically less likely to happen again. Of course, it could. Rodon has all the earmarks of possible arm trouble. Over use prior to the pros, high velocity thrower, reliance on breaking pitches. All of these may lead to injury. He may also be able to handle it. All in all, I would not say that either will have a greater chance for injury.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 05:50 PM) I have no problem with signing the guy, in fact I hope we do, and whatever bonus money we have left, we might as well use it all. However I think it's pretty short sighted at best to play hardball with Rodon over some 14th round kid that's probably going to shred his arm before he sees the Major Leagues. In a perfect world we get Rodon in here quickly, Danks and so on rub off on him, and he ditches Borass before the extension talks kick in. Show the kid his respect and get the deal done. The Astros set the bar with Aiken, nobody else is getting more than him, so give Rodon a tick above Aiken, tell him he's the best, then put a uniform on him and send him out there to earn it. And forget about De Oca, if there's money left and he'll take it, great, if not, oh well. Rodon is as likely to injure his arm as the other guy so you may as well attempt to get both. Whose to say Boras won't ask for more than Aiken as he accepted a deal for well under slot.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 02:15 PM) I'm not sure about that. You sure? MLB time goes by days on the active roster, I'm not sure there are any freebies. I think the rule there is playoff eligibility, i.e. you can't play in the playoffs unless you are on the roster by Aug 31. Someone on here probably knows the rules of service time better but I'm pretty sure Sept call ups do not get service time. Maybe it's they don't use an option against them.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 02:05 PM) I think it's $6.6 - 6.7M. Sox cap it around there & say "Okay we'll pay you as the best player in the draft, now sign & if you do well you'll see the bigs this year and start your clock." And that will be too good to pass up, because taking it all the way to the deadline makes it harder to get more than a couple MLB appearances before the end of the year. As it is, he signs quick, maybe he's here Sept. 1 after rosters expand. That's a whole month plus probably of MLB time & experience. It's possible it will be that high but I don't think it will be quite there. He would need to be called up before Sept 1. to get the arb clock moving. This would be what may entice Boras to sign at a lower number.

QUOTE (Stan Bahnsen @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 02:00 PM) No doubt, but I think we're more worried about Rodon's demands than we should be. Offer him the Sale fast track, remind him that he could wind up with a team that's in an extended rebuild or a small market that will play arb-clock games, delaying his richness by two years OR MORE, on top of the obvious injury risks. Then shut up, sit back, and dare Boras to give the dumbest advice any agent ever gave. We should get him at slot or very slightly above, if that's what it takes for them to feel like they "won" the negotiation. I don't think that will happen. I'm guessing close to the 6.5 million that Aiken got, Maybe 6.25-6.3

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jun 10, 2014 -> 07:25 AM) I wonder how many tens of millions more they needed to throw at Tanaka for this board to stop saying this bs I don't think it's BS. They were willing to spend that money on a potential #1 starter. I don't think they would have gone too far with a good first baseman who many people had many questions about. They aren't the same player or situations.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 04:56 PM) Dan Hayes ‏@DanHayesCSN 3m Matt Lindstrom's cast came off today, stitches out. He's here w/ team. Happy to rejoin them. Said team target is 9/1, his a little faster. 2 1/2 more months. That's about right on schedule.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 03:06 PM) I thought it was one year? Bryce Harper went to one for a year to get drafted earlier I think graduated from high school a year early though. So he was still on the correct timeline. Something like that happened to change the scenario.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) If it is me, I put two offers on the table. $5 million and a chance to move up to Chicago if everything goes well this fall, or $6 million and the full tour of the minors, starting in High A ball this year. Yes, there needs to be a little time to get pitching again. It's been a few weeks since he's pitched in a game.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) yea i know its the rules, but what specifically? the fact you committed to the school or that you turned down being drafted? It's once you get to July 18th ( i believe thats the date) and theoretical register to begin school in the Fall. Once you begin school, you need to wait 3 years.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 11:56 AM) I don't care who he brought in. The point is he should have just gotten Chris out. I would rather have the best pitcher on my staff face the best hitter on the other team. I'll take those chances. This one just didn't work.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 02:40 PM) Rodon is gonna sign at slot or above. No way he is signing for 750k under slot. I'm sure it will be at near maximum over slot value.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:57 PM) He is a high school kid who has had Tommy John surgery already. There is huge upside there but you don't forfeit a first round pick that could end up being a really high pick (we still don't know how this season is going to go) to sign him. I read this. What is the draft like next year. Is it deeper this year? I'm not saying they should just that it is a thought. You'll have a possibly elite talent already in the system for a year compared to a lesser talent pool, if the draft is weaker. Just something to consider if this draft was as good and deep as the "experts" said.

QUOTE (whitesoxfan99 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) No way do you forfeit your 2015 first round pick to sign this kid. Especially since there is a chance that pick winds up in the top 10 again. I don't know even about him to know if he is worth it or not. If he is currently ranked the #32 best pick, he is a first round talent.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:43 PM) Not a chance. Even when the slot money was suggestions, this team always followed it. True.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 11:34 AM) Maybe it just seems this way, but the trend seems to be more and more that the perpetrators of these crimes are taking their own lives as opposed to trying to get away with it, and that is very dangerous. If you are planning to kill people yet retain your freedom, there is more or less a limit on how many people you can kill. If you want and/or expect to die along with your victims, there is much less of a restriction on the damage you can inflict. This is the real worry. You really can't stop someone if they are planning on sacrificing their own life. Soon they will start using suicide bombs to create as much damage as possible.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 9, 2014 -> 01:36 PM) BR puts odds of signing De Oca at 50% http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2081202...14th-round-pick I wonder if the Sox would be willing to forfeit a draft pick next year if they think he is that good? If they think he is a first round talent, it may be worth it to sign Rodon, Adam and him.

Going to Colorado to work the World Lacrosse Championships this summer. We're going to take an extra week to vacation. We go out almost every winter for skiing but haven't spent much time there in the summer. Any specific ideas for fun. We have booked zip line tours, white water rafting, atv tours and a wolf park walk on a full moon.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jun 7, 2014 -> 06:14 PM) What, if anything, concerns you about Rodon's training, physique, or mechanics? Too me, his follow through stops too abruptly which would seem to put more stress on the arm. I know you've read this from me before but I'm not a fan of what he does with his trunk during the follow through. His arm motion is fine but he doesn't flex his trunk so he finishes standing almost straight up, very similar to Peavy. This to me puts additional stress on the shoulder than what's needed. Will this lead to an injury?, who knows. However it is something to watch.