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QUOTE (RockRaines @ May 30, 2014 -> 11:46 PM) Genetics suck I assume. Sometimes. Although the only reason he was as good as he was is due to his huge hands. That was why he could throw the split so well. His fingers literally wrapped around the ball.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ May 30, 2014 -> 11:13 PM) I thought Jack had elbow surgery and had a nerve injury. Am I wrong, I could be thinking of someone else? He may have. I know the beginning of the end for him was the hip.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 30, 2014 -> 05:49 PM) I would have to question the motivation of a man who makes his money performing surgeries, coming up with ways to prevent theses surgeries. Actually, he made his name with Wilk with the conservative care and rehab advances in medicine. The Jobe-Kerling group really pioneered the surgeries, although Andrews did come up with some improvements. I've known Kevin for a long time and have taken many of the Pitching courses by them at the ASMI in Birmingham. They do good work and are highly repected. Kevin is a good down to earth guy. Andrews is a typical orthopedic surgeon and McDowell is right about his ego. As one once told me "I may think I can correct God's work but that doesn't mean I think I'm God.....well maybe.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ May 30, 2014 -> 06:05 PM) I know that is what did in Britt Burns. I did not know that about Blackjack Same type of degenerative hip issue.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 30, 2014 -> 04:38 PM) Status Update By Jack McDowell I'm noticing that the one and only BS artist and blowhard Dr. James Andrews is jumping all over this "Tommy John" debate with advice and a new (money making) app regarding the same. Let's get a few things straight... Andrews has studied the biomechanics of throwing since the 80's and anyone who has actually read the "findings" will discover that nothing was really found, and the consequential pitch count beginnings and "perfect" mechanics are both lies and unscientific. Now, it's all about youth baseball because he failed at developing significant information to "prevent injury" for older athletes. It's all a scam. This guy is a scam and has offered NOTHING significantly constructive to the betterment of baseball pitching. Stop buying into this egomaniacs posing. He came up with ZERO after 30 years of analyzing. McDowell is right to a certain extent. There are studies done where we know when the UCL or the rotator cuff is under the most stress. There are very few "this" is what caused the injury. But there are those few things we know to avoid. Andrerws and a PT named Kevin Wilk who is from Joliet, have done a lot of research on the rehab of injuries that do work. If you've ever seen pitchers work with the therabands, this is the "throwers ten" program they've developed. Fleisig who does most of the research on the youth pitchers has some very compelling research with the number of pitches and rest for pitchers. This is what the app is based on. Overall, it has a very sound base but as with all research on humans there are very few absolutes. however, there are some knowns that should be followed.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ May 30, 2014 -> 05:16 PM) What eventually did McDowell in, shoulder? Hip issues were the biggest thing.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 30, 2014 -> 09:57 AM) I get scared on Kolek simply because he is, by definition, an outlier. Our standards of injury risk have never included someone THIS young throwing THIS hard. This, of course, doesn't mean he's absolutely at higher risk, but I've got to feel like it's more likely to make him higher risk than lower risk. It's more stress than ever on a younger ligament than ever. It all depends on the effort for how hard he throws. If he is throwing 100 with max effort, have him throw 95 with less than the max effort. He will throw harder than most without the stress.

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QUOTE (Lillian @ May 30, 2014 -> 08:35 AM) That's great, but I hope that he doesn't throw too many of those breaking balls. Those are the pitches that lead to elbow problems. The change up is a better off speed pitch than the curve ball, anyway and it doesn't stress the arm. The pitches are fine if you throw them correctly. Throwing breaking balls does not inherently lead to elbow problems. Even with the large number of injuries this year, it's still a fraction of the overall number of pitchers who throw breaking pitches, which is everyone. I still think it's the overall effort of the delivery that makes the biggest difference. How much effort does it take to throw the 94 mph fastball. Many can do it, but how hard do they need to work at it. That's why a guy like Kolek who can throw over 100 could back off and safely throw 95.

QUOTE (beautox @ May 29, 2014 -> 08:49 PM) Agreed, Rodon fits very nicely with our timeline and i think the sox can break him in, in a similar fashion to Sale. His velocity is real and his breaking ball is the best in the draft hands down; that slider is nasty. If we land him I'm very confident the sox will be able to develop his change-up well beyond a show me pitch and it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see him learn a cutter seeing how that seems to be this organizations pitch de jour. If Rodon isn't there I Like Aiken the Kolek as both of them dove tail nicely with our next crop of arms in Danish and Montas I'm still not a fan of the way he throws. I don't like the stand up follow through without the trunk flexion. He finishes like Peavy does. It wouldn't prevent me from drafting him but it would make me look at the others more closely.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ May 29, 2014 -> 06:54 PM) The point is that if you have one TJ, you've just moved up your timeline for a second. And almost (if not literally) no one has come back effective form the 2nd TJ. I don't think this is true, other than the fact that you can't have a second until you've had the first.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ May 29, 2014 -> 02:56 PM) PTATC should come in here and talk more about this. He is our Medical Steverson, or Health Steverson, etc. Arm Steverson. Edit: also I downloaded a penis enlargement program I'm at a solid 8 but was thinking about trying some techniques to get that sucker up to about 11" or so, was wondering if PTATC has any info on proper enlargement practices & so on. Thanks I'll hang up and listen. Mechanics is only one of the factors related to the injury. I wouldn't rule anyone out based on mechanics alone. Workload and economy of effort are important factors as well. As for the the second part, that isn't one of my areas of research as I don't have that problem.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 29, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) I have no issue with people who want to have guns. And maybe in the end having guns is more benefit to society than not having guns. I am not really sure to be honest. In your situation I would want to know if there is any other way to accomplish the same end, without the use of a gun. Or perhaps with a gun that is less lethal. I assume that you are mainly using a rifle against animals? (edit) And poor word choice on banning. They severely restricted the ability of people to buy guns, especially handguns. This would be appropriate. The restriction would be for the person to prove 1) they had a reason for owning the weapon; 2) had a secure place for them to be locked up and 3) had a reasonable area to use them.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 29, 2014 -> 01:19 PM) I have no issue with people who want to have guns. And maybe in the end having guns is more benefit to society than not having guns. I am not really sure to be honest. In your situation I would want to know if there is any other way to accomplish the same end, without the use of a gun. Or perhaps with a gun that is less lethal. I assume that you are mainly using a rifle against animals? I use mostly shotguns, the use of rifles except on target ranges is illegal in Illinois. Of course there are other means but they are far less effective (trapping) or costly (electric fencing). I edited the previous post to show how the gun laws are in England and the UK and I wouldn't have a problem with the way they do it where the burden is placed on the person not so much the government.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ May 29, 2014 -> 12:41 PM) Throughout history things change. Banning guns happened in England. It could happen here. But it requires people to have a conversation about the value of guns in society, as opposed to putting their fingers in their ears and saying "never." Im not a defeatist, I do believe things can change. I guess I'm on the other side. I use guns on a regular basis for hunting target shooting and for the protection of the farm against coyotes and other animals. I do not think banning guns is a good idea. Restrictions on people who have a history of mental illness is a must. In England civilians are not banned from owning guns. They just treat it differently than here. There you need to do alot of paperwork and prove you are mentally capable. You can get a shotgun license to hunt or target shoot. You can get a handgun license for pest control. It's just that the burden is placed on the person to prove they are capable as opposed to here where the government is burdened to prove you don't deserve them.

QUOTE (oneofthemikes @ May 29, 2014 -> 09:27 AM) I agree. I'm cooling on Kolek and the more I read, the more I think that both Aiken and Rodon will be gone by 3. Unfortunately, I think Kolek is TJ surgery waiting to happen. If Nola were available underslot, I would rather take him and still end up with a pitcher that has stellar command and 3 good offerings and then spend more on the next several picks. There is nothing in his history to suggest this.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ May 27, 2014 -> 08:40 PM) Interesting. Thanks for the reply on that. Seems like that could be something to consider right? Is that something am MRI would capture? An MRI wouldn't really do it. A nerve conduction velocity or doppler can. It's mostly diagnosed with physical tests.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 27, 2014 -> 07:28 PM) Jeff Passan ‏@JeffPassan 41m Ned Yost just said on Royals TV broadcast trainers said Yordano Ventura had "valgus stress overload." That does not bode well for future. This does not make sense with symptoms on the lateral side of the elbow. It would be varus stress overload unless the symptoms moved to the medial side of the elbow.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ May 27, 2014 -> 04:00 PM) LOL at "shoulder soreness", dude hit 98 in his last outing. The DL shenanigans continue. Just because he was throwing 98 doesn't mean there was no soreness or pain involved.

QUOTE (kevo880 @ May 27, 2014 -> 07:49 PM) I'm guessing Johnson's not in any pain otherwise I hope they would have run some tests. Are there many arm injuries where the person doesn't feel much, if any pain, but their performance is obviously affected? Actually, there are. Things like thoracic outlet syndrome where the nerve or arteries are compressed causing loss of feeling or strength. There is no pain involved in this syndrome.

QUOTE (Andy the Clown @ May 24, 2014 -> 07:38 PM) He should try to figure out how to break 90, and then pass the secret on to EJ. He probably never will gain much more. The shoulder capsule shouldn't stretch out any more so he won't gain velocity.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ May 21, 2014 -> 01:09 PM) And that is why he only threw 20 pitches during his side session. That worried me a little when they reported he only threw 20 pitches. I didn't want to start a panic but I had typed a post stating it was either really good news or really bad news then decided against hitting the "add reply" button.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ May 21, 2014 -> 11:41 AM) I don't really think that's true, especially for these two, who have completely been jerked around this year and ate doing amazing. It is true that pitchers like the routine. Now some of them can overcome that and pitch whenever. However, most like to know when theY will pitch and pitch more effectively that way, even though it's mostly psychological.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 21, 2014 -> 10:49 AM) With Putnam, his career record suggests you just have to ride him while he's hot in the 7th and 8th, mostly. There's always going to be that unique situation (Jason Grilli last year, Politte and Cotts in 2005, etc.) where someone just catches fire for almost the entire season, but it's pretty rare, indeed. Petricka's pitched all over the place, from the 5th-9th, same with Webb. But Ventura, after quickly losing faith in Cleto, definitely has been favoring Putnam and Belisario, and for good reason too, statistically. To call Petricka or Webb elite...well, let's just say we have no idea right now exactly what they are...although I'd love to see if they have the ability to close out an elite team on the road in front of 40,000+ screaming fans, we just don't know yet. There are always relievers who catch fire. However, these also occur with diefine roles like politte and cotts did in 2005. They were the set up guys in the 7th and 8th depnding on if lh or rh were comoing up. They knew what was coming. Ventura is settling in to defined roles as you said and it's changing only due to injury.