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QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 29, 2014 -> 08:39 AM) Even if we accept the claim that everyone gets paid in proportion to what they generate at face value (lol no), in "adulthood" the entire employment market isn't controlled by one cartel that completely forbids you from any form of outside compensation while turning around and profiting off of the very same celebrity. And you can unionize. These players can't shop their services around, they can't negotiate compensation packages, they can't sign endorsement deals on the side or often even take a regular part-time job without jumping through a bunch of hoops. The other side is that they are getting alot of compensation for playing a sport. Most will not go on to make a living at the sport. They may not have been accepted to the school without the the scholarship. Being allowed a free education as well as cost of living money is more than 90% of the athletes will get later on. This education sets them up for life if they take advantage of it. Although I agree the unionization is a good idea for protection from mostly medical issues as far as "working conditions" are concerned.

QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 01:58 PM) I don't know one way or the other, but it's not obvious to me why having it at a neutral site increases revenue. Because most of the tickets are sold to big corporate sponsors and such at inflated prices. If one of the teams got the home field many of the tickets would have to go to the fans. This way the NFL can get more money from the sponsors. I think it's 25-30% of the tickets actually go to the fans of the two teams.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 12:46 PM) Exactly, and it really isn't a neutral field if the weather conditions favor one team more than the other just because they limit the opponent. No one is going to change their mind, but the Super Bowl is probably the biggest spectacle in pro sports. Up until now it hasn't needed the gimmick of snow or blizzard or mud to keep people interested. It appears a bullet will be dodged and conditions Sunday won't play a big part in the outcome of the game. But there would definitely be a huge debate if the weather was awful and ultimately that decided who took home the trophy. It also is not a neutral field if one teams is used to playing in a dome and the other is used to playing outside. Noise factor can come into play here not just the weather. There is really no such thing as a neutral field. It's just neither team's home field.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 01:16 PM) good point. That scholarship would become pretty expensive if they had to pay taxes on it. Taxes are taken out of scholarships. The students don't "pay" them however the amount of the scholarship must be higher to cover it.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Jan 28, 2014 -> 09:19 AM) Control the weather there too, if you'd like. It'd make for better football. And your answer is, as if you couldn't figure this out, one team earned home field advantage there, and the Super Bowl is always a neutral site game. When you can control weather and field conditions and fan environment, you should, as it's better football. I know I'm in the minority here but I disagree. Any players can play well in a sterile controlled environment. I like to see the best players over come the adversity and prove they can adapt to win. While the quarterback is the most important player, can he lead the team to a win in adverse conditions. I like to see do things they aren't normally asked to do and see if they are great players or just someone who can operate when things are good. This is just my opinion and preference of what I like to see. I know most people disagree but it's just a preference.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:22 PM) Every single one that is worried about the money. Now tell me again why KW decided he didn't want to have a good farm system. Because he put all of the money that JR allowed in the budget to the MLB team and didn't allocate it to drafting and development. It's not the fans worry , it's whatever budget JR creates regardless of how much the Sox have.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 02:11 PM) Avasail Garcia was acquired for an over 30 pitcher with an injury history. A pitcher then when healthy was much better than any option out there. If Peavy signed for what he was worth it would have been near 20 mil. If you can get any of the FA pitchers out there to sign for significantly less than the worth say 8 mil than it would be worth it. Peavy was much more valuable than any of the current FAs. Not to mention Peavy was just 30 these guys will be 32-34.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 27, 2014 -> 01:50 PM) BP has a section call Prospects will break your heart. If the majority of the guys you mentioned ARE the core 2 or 3 years from now, Hahn should be considered among the best GMs in the game. The fact is, a couple of these guys will probably fail. A couple may get hurt. Things change. I was reading the re-signing of Peavy thread earlier. Greg posted, and he was correct, that the team would be doing handstands if another team were to take Adam Dunn's contract. He got slammed. Now, a year, later, Dunn doesn't go to seminars at Soxfest because people refuse to treat him like a human being, even though his 2013 wasn't that much worse than his 2012. What I am proposing is a way for the White Sox to keep acquiring the Eatons and the Davidsons instead of drafting the Trace Thompsons and Keenyn Walkers. And although far from sure things, they are safer bets. I agree with this in principle however there is a significant flaw in this argument. Eaton and Davidson were not acquired by over 30 pitchers on the backside of a 4 year deal at 12 mil per. They were acquired by young MLB proven talent. I'm always for trading prospects for proven MLB talent. However, signing near 30 year old pitchers is not the answer.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 05:35 PM) Thanks UC, I appreciate the kind words especially since we've had our differences in the past. You never have enough pitching and I don't understand the idea of when we need it, we'll spend the money then. It's like buying a furnace in the winter even though you have money for it in the summer. I agree you can never have too much pitching. However, I also trust the Sox to know if the prospects are ready for a chance at the MLB. If they are ready let them have the chance to grow.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 26, 2014 -> 07:43 AM) First time ever in the TV Thread. Just looking for new shows to check out, I'm stuck in the apartment for two weeks over Chinese New Year's before I can fly to Indonesia. Here's my current list. Elementary Sons of Anarchy Breaking Bad NCIS NCIS/LA CSI/Las Vegas Modern Family Big Bang Theory Scandal House of Cards Hostages Marvel's Agents of SHIELD Entourage Larry David/Curb Your Enthusiasm I've heard some recommendations for Homefront, Boss (Kelsey Grammar), The Newsroom, The Blacklist and Betrayal. Someone else mentioned The Good Wife but I'm not much of a Juliana Margulies fan. Person of Interest, too. Any other great shows out there that are reminiscent of the ones on my list? Orphan Black is one worth watching

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 06:36 PM) Someone's paycheck is totally relevant in this case because a good portion of the revenue the White Sox bring in to pay those salaries come from the wallets of those fans. And it's not like Dunn's dog is being kicked, they're just words and it comes with the territory. Also, I don't know where you come off trying to put words in my mouth. I already said s***ting on people in a situation like soxfest isn't my thing. But again, I'm not gonna act like I have any right to tell people how to act as you so apparently feel like you have the right to do. It does not come with the territory to treat people like that. You can say they played bad, I;m sure he knows that, but to constantly treat him like that is wrong. Maybe it's just the parent in me but when people behave that poorly, you do have the right to tell them they should treat others with respect. It's just being civilized.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jan 25, 2014 -> 05:54 PM) This is just silly. Lets act like casual fans won't speak their mind if given the chance. And lets act all high and mighty and talk down to those classless fans, we're white sox fans, we're better than those people who can't resist speaking their mind! Give me a break, there is no code for being a white sox fan, or a cubs fan, or a fan of anything. People are gonna always act like people have done for thousands of year. So while you might disagree with it, that's fine, but get off your pedastals of looking down at others like your so high and mighty and never disrespect or insult anyone. I can honestly say I have never treated anyone like that. I may have told them I disagree with them but not in that manner. You can speak your mind without treating other people like garbage.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 05:14 PM) You act like we don't hear a drunk Hawk everyday during the summer. Good point but in the pubs they tend to get even better.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:40 PM) SUCK ME COWLEY! A drunk Hawk could be fun to listen to. Bob Eucker was an absoluteblast to listen to after a few in a bar.

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 04:30 PM) This reminds me of that movie Joe Versus The Volcano. One of my favorites. A young Meg Ryan playing 3 different roles. Not quite Orphan Black but still characters.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:48 PM) He did have a minor shoulder injury late in the regular season, that I saw in person. He dove in short RF and fell hard on his throwing shoulder, same arm as the nerve thing. Any chance that could be what triggered the problem coming back and needing a second surgery? Very possible. The injury starts as an overuse injury and poor throwing mechanics. The ulnar collateral ligament (UCL) loosens and the inside of the elbow creates too much of an angle when throwing due to the forces. The ulnar nerve is then stretched as he throws causing the numbness or tingling. Now once it is already predisposed to being irritated, if you slam it on the ground and aggravate it (as well as possibly injuring the UCL again) it may cause enough problems that the surgeon just decide to move it to keep it from getting aggravated again. The surgery is really to prevent it from happening again not to help the current pain or numbness.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:47 PM) Seriously, great having that kind of poster here. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:18 PM) I love the fact that you post here. Thanks again. No problems. I like reading about various injuries and interventions. Occupational hazzard.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 03:24 PM) "Cuban Bomber" "Cuban Cannon" "Cuban Galactus, Destroyer of Worlds" "Cuban Mayan Calendar" "Cuban Cuban" "Cuban Hulk" "Cuban Konerko" "Island Strong" "Cuban Thome" "Cuban Frank" "Cuban Hurt" "Cuban Giant" "Asesino del Tocino" Grande Duele, The Spanish version of the Big Hurt.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 02:17 PM) I believe it is the same arm. Again, I get the impression that once it is moved, as long as it stays put, he's 100% fine and normal. It is only a question of, will it or could it move again? Because then he's out for a few months at a shot. It was apparently 5 years or so between instances in this case. OK. Makes sense now. It is a very common and low risk surgery. He will not have any problems later. The first surgery was probably to release it from an entrapment and the second is called an ulnar nerve transposition where they take the nerve out of it's tunnel under the arm and move it on top and secure it with fascial tissue. He probably has some damage to his ulnar collateral ligament and the joint is a little loose.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jan 23, 2014 -> 09:41 AM) And his terrific start was in a league he was too old for. At 22 he would have to be one of the oldest guys on Kanny's team who is/was still considered a prospect. I am definitely not as bullish on Johnson as everyone else around here. I like him a lot though funny kid with some nice tools. Should be interesting to see where he starts the season. I don't think he's earned a spot at Birmingham but considering the Sox track record he probably does start there. In the review, it said he was shut down to have a nerve removed in his arm. Does anyone have more information on that? It sound very peculiar.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 12:00 PM) I obviously don't know the ins and outs of Stanford as well as I do Notre Dame, but I'm going to go out on a limb and say that's not at all true. You probably don't have to meet the same standards as the other students applying for admission, but I have to believe there are plenty of DI-FBS players that Stanford would not touch. I'm not disagreeing. That is just where the discussion went and why some people assumed others were saying he lacked intelligence.

QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 12:04 PM) I mostly just think the manager isn't super-important so I guess I feel very 'meh' about it. The manager is very important in managing the clubhouse and players egos/personalities. On the field not so much.

QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 11:55 AM) FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: Friday, January 24, 2014 CHICAGO – The Chicago White Sox have agreed to terms on a multiyear contract extension with manager Robin Ventura. Terms of the contract were not released by the club. Ventura, 46, has gone 148-176 in two seasons with the White Sox after being hired as the 39th manager in franchise history on October 6, 2011. He was one of three finalists for American League Manager of the Year in 2012 after guiding the White Sox to an 85-77 record and second-place finish in the Central division. “Jerry, Kenny, Robin and I have had many conversations about our objectives in both the short and long term,” said Rick Hahn, White Sox senior vice president/general manager. “We are in complete agreement with the direction and vision for this organization in 2014 and beyond. I have great confidence that Robin’s leadership and direction will help us reach our goals, and there was never really any question in our minds as to who we wanted in the White Sox dugout now and into the future.” “We have been on the same page since day one, but I’m very happy to have this behind us so we can continue to keep our focus on the playing field,” said Ventura. “I’m excited about the direction of the club and the moves we have made this offseason, but there is still a lot of work to be done so I think we’re all ready to get to spring training and get started.” Ventura spent 16 major-league seasons with the White Sox (1989-98), New York Mets (1999-2001), New York Yankees (2002-03) and Los Angeles Dodgers (2003-2004), hitting .267 (1,885-7,064) with 294 home runs and 1,182 RBI in 2,079 games. He didn't push for a lifetime contract so I really don't think he is committed to being the manager.

QUOTE (Jenksismyb**** @ Jan 24, 2014 -> 11:32 AM) Smart, intelligent people say stupid s*** all the time. Poking fun at a guy for being dumb once doesn't mean you're saying he's an unintelligent person generally. I think it all stems for subsequent discussions. It was either me or someone else you said that he is not an idiot because he got into Stanford and got a GPA of 3.7. Which in turn lead to the discussion of grades meaning nothing and anyone can get into Stanford if they can play football.

QUOTE (dasox24 @ Jan 22, 2014 -> 10:58 PM) I'm quite curious what's going to happen to the Bears' defensive scheme. It would seem a 3-4 is becoming more likely, but both of these coaches have plenty of experience in 4-3 defense so I still wouldn't look too much into it. Regardless, Trestman/Emery aren't helping us figure it out. I'm sure we'll just be more multiple next year. That's basically how it is in the NFL anyway. It seems like "being multiple" has been the hot catch-phrase for coaches the last couple years, and I'm sure Trestman will say the same generic coach-speak when it comes to it. Emery said in an interview on the radio that he envisioned the Bears to have a "hybrid" defense similar to the Patriots where they could go from 2 to 5 players with their hands down with the same personnel. He compared McClelland to Ninkovich (LW Central grad) where he would be all over the place depending on the defense called. I think they are going to a match up type defense instead of the current defense where it is very basic and they just rely on the players to stay in their gap beat the other players.