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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 6, 2013 -> 03:51 PM) Man I knew I hated that guy for a reason http://www.businessweek.com/news/2013-08-0...or-in-venezuela The steroids must have melted his brain.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Aug 2, 2013 -> 02:31 PM) Joel (Washington, DC) An observation not a question: when you see a guy like Brandon Cumpton (9th round draft pick) come up from AAA and shut out the Cardinals in a critical, playoff like game it puts our collective prospect obessions in perspective. Elite talent is essential, but depth is important also. Klaw (1:31 PM) Depth is huge. It takes 8 or 9 starters to get through a season unless you're the 2005 White Sox. See Law doesn't in fact hate the Sox. Haha He is calling 2005 luck with that comment. He takes any chance to belittle the Sox.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 10:23 PM) Next year should absolutely be a throw away year, considering it's hard to imagine the Sox going on a FA spending spree like the Red Sox did. Then there needs to be another 1 or 2 starters ready for for 2015, more if one of the current ones doesn't pan out or gets injured. I don't necessarily disagree but I don't like giving away good, proven pitching, especially for nothing.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 10:16 PM) Im sure Axelrod will still be here and what about Snodgress? Or we can just sign a long reliever that can fill in If you expect to win with three rookies in the top 6 starters, it won't happen. If you are throwing away next year, let 'er rip.

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 09:44 PM) I know this, was just responding to his proposed line-up. When was the last time the White Sox signed to the top free agent? It's rarely worth it. How are the Angels doing with Pujols and Hamilton?

QUOTE (BigHurt3515 @ Jul 31, 2013 -> 09:42 PM) One of Rienzo or Johnson will get the chance with Peavy gone. But I would like the other to get a shot too. Think they could be better then Danks but if they don't get that chance we will never know. Sale Quintana Santiago Rienzo Johnson Could be a really young good starting staff for years Even if all of those work out you still need 6-7 starters for a good season. Without Danks the Sox do not have that depth next year or probably the year after.

QUOTE (Soxfest @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:34 PM) Be glad when this is over. Why this is the most fun we've had this season with the way it's played out.

QUOTE (EvilJester99 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 09:23 PM) Bloody hell I need to sleep and these bastards won't let me!! How can you sleep with the quality of avatars you have?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:41 PM) When Santiago's K/9 ratio puts him in the Top 10 of all MLB for starters? If the White Sox had five cloned Hector Santiagos in their rotation, putting up identical numbers, they wouldn't be in last place. One isolated stat does not make him a good pitcher.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:34 PM) Supposedly PV is now listed as tomorrows starter? According to MLbTR and Cleveland's twitter page. The D'Backs may kick the tires again on Peavy, hears Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. The White Sox are now listing Peavy for tomorrow's start against the Indians, for what it's worth. MLbTR link on the page Peavy is tomorrow's starter until he isn't.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:24 PM) I'd be happy to have him as a salary dump, but not as a value piece Exactly. If the sox get kubel it's in lieu of sending money to AZ.

QUOTE (Paulstar @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:14 PM) I don't know why people think finding good, cost controlled, middle of the order bats is easy. Look at the White Sox for example. Haven't been able to develop a middle of the order bat since Magglio and Lee, and have been paying a lot of money to Dunn and Rios over the past 2 and 3 years with mixed results. If Matt Adams is available in a trade, it is imperative the White Sox get him. He could wind up being a bust, but his body of work shows there is a good chance he can be at least a good number 3 hitter for several years. I don't think anyone said it was easy. Look at the Sox without PK. This is why it will take a player the quality of Peavy to get him.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 01:07 PM) Peavy and Alexei for Adams, Wong and a lower level guy. I like Piscotty. Maybe a one of the million pitchers the Cardinals have. There will be at least one pitcher coming to the Sox in any deal involving Peavy.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 11:14 AM) I think some are hoping for a trade because we assume (yes, assume) the Sox will have done their homework and made a trade they're happy with. I don't think that is correct. Too many times in the past people on this board and have said we received too llittle in trades. Just because a trade can be made doesn't mean it's a god one.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:38 AM) Fair points, I suppose. I suppose reasonable minds can disagree. Of course. I'm sure some GMs will look at it your way and some mine. That's most of the fun in negotiations. :cheers

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:33 AM) Yeah, I can understand that, but I think the stakes are high enough in mlb that reputation or not, people are going to deal with you if you have the asset they need. It's not like they can go to the Best Buy in the next town over because the one nearby is run by an asshole General Manager. It's all very interesting to watch, however. I agree. But then the only time a trade will occur is when the other GM needs something not when RH wants something. The good relationship will allow the other GM to work with RH when he really doesn't need to. This is better for the Sox in the long run and all it takes is sitting PV for a day.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:05 AM) Well, we'll agree to disagree. I know if I was a GM and I wanted Peavy, I'd take this as a sign that Peavy will indeed be moved for the highest bid, as opposed to there is a "reserve" that must be met, as you mentioned. I would hold my ground and refuse to increase my offer, except perhaps incrementally. I certainly wouldn't be making a big increase. Now if we had Jake start tonight, I'd be thinking "this mfer (Hahn) is crazy as s***, and he means what he says" and I'd have no freaking clue whether my previous offers were really near that reserve you spoke of or not. And if I felt my Club really needed another arm for the stretch run, I'd probably be second guessing myself whether I should be giving up that better prospect or not. I think there isa fine line between a tough negotiator and being unreasonable. Keeping PV out is a courtesy. If you get known as unreasonable, I think it hurts your abilityto trade in the future because others will stay away. This is his first year so he needs to be tough as he's shown but also willing to work things out.

QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Jul 30, 2013 -> 10:18 AM) I still do not know how this offense is so woefully bad. The defense as well. It's just one of those years where everyone is not playing well. The primary for the offense is PK missing time and being injured. If he has one of his normal years in the middle of the lineup, this offense is much better. They need to find a replacement but that is not easily found.

QUOTE (TheBigHurtIsBack @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 09:34 PM) Seriously I want to know why so many successful and/or adept players come here and suddenly take a huge nosedive. I'd like to blame it on something our staff or overall organization is doing but I can't assume that. But it bothers me quite a lot. I think players hear the reputation as a launching pad and see that the fences seem so close. They alter their approach and try for the power too much and it just ruins everything.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 09:45 PM) Oh yeah, forgot the day's shocking revelation that Andre Rienzo is untrustworthy and/or doesn't comprehend U.S. geography. Poor Jake may never recover. Just to clarify, you mean the person who posts on this board not the guy who has not been traded.

QUOTE (bbilek1 @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:28 PM) I never said it did. Why don't you look at his track record? I think Crain is the most valuable reliever that was sure to be moved. If he has to wait a week for him to recover and sends a lesser return over because of it I think it is a savvy move. Not to mention the Longoria contract, Shields for Myers trade, Zobrist find, team philosophy, Maddon hiring, pitching factory, etc. Sorry, my mistake. Since you made that statement in the middle of this thread during this discussion, I assumed (wrongly obviously) that it had something to do with this topic.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) My point is, there has to be value somewhere. So when Buster Olney says the Sox are building around Peavy, I have to call BS--or the Sox are idiots. I disagree. The goal is to make the sox a better team. Peavy is an above average starting pitcher. That is worth alot. If the players you are being offered don't make the team that much better, don't do it.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:30 PM) Still, it is fun watching everyone here melt down It's the best. It would be different if Hahn makes this statement Weds at 1. However with almost two days left, its more likely a negotiation ploy.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:27 PM) It's ridiculous to think the Sox haven't been offered at least one good prospect for Peavy. Make a freaking deal, idiots. Peavy is worth more than one good prospect

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 29, 2013 -> 04:17 PM) Hopefully this means he has a taker for Peavy lined up. Maybe it means that Hahn could not find a deal worthy of Peavy and Crain so he just dealt Crain.