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QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 26, 2013 -> 07:03 AM) Lol..Gammons on Mully & Hanley this morning still rocking the "White Sox want pitching" bulls***. This really wouldn't surprise me. You can never have enough pitching. A team needs to be 7 deep in quality starting pitching to win the WS. If the Six trade Peavy, do the have that? I don't think they trust Satiago's offspeed stuff yet. I'm not saying pitching is the primary piece of a trade, but they are probably insisting that pitching must be included.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 08:54 PM) Now I like to hear that. And Law hates the Sox lol. Make it happen Hahn, but only if the right deal is there. Don't you see this is another way for him to rip the Sox. He says they should get a great haul and then after the trade he can say they should have done much better. This is because he KNOWS they could have done better and reported it before the deal.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 10:12 AM) Ahh, you have to be honest about this stuff...you can't trade him and then have him show up to his new team and be like "i don't know if I can start with all this soreness I have been experiencing." Now we know why the trade hasn't happened yet.

QUOTE (Knuckles @ Jul 25, 2013 -> 05:53 AM) Soxtalk diagnosis for ptatc: hangover. Happy bday bud. How did you know? Thanks everyone, moving very slowly today.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 10:08 AM) He was referencing the Yanks shedding payroll trying to avoid the luxury tax, I assume. OOPS. My bad. I misunderstood it. Relaxing too much on vacation.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jul 23, 2013 -> 09:41 AM) It definitely flies in the face of everything else they've been doing the past couple years. You mean like spending more than almost anyone else in international signings. Theos way has always been to spend more money on prospects than anyone else. He used to over spend in the draft. Since the new rules won't allow it, he needs to outspend other teams elsewhere.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 09:30 PM) That's fine when you're talking about team performance. Wins are the only thing that matters. But when you're evaluating individual players, it's best to evaluate those players on things they can actually control. Whether or not Paul Konerko happened to get a base hit when De Aza or Pods was standing on 2b isn't an indication of how they performed. They already did their job by getting on base, whether or not they come around to score is largely dependent on the hitters behind them. This is true if you are concerned about the individual player. I'm not. The only thing that matters is winning the game. It's fun to discuss the individual player but not directly relevant to the team. The stats were invented for arbitration to get the players more money to say that they were good regardless of the team winning. P ersonally I enjoy watching the games and players. But in the end the only thing that matters for stats is wins and loses.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 08:57 PM) Though I don't agree at all with this statment, if you truly believe it, then De Aza should be your choice. He's on pace to finish the season with 97 runs, whereas Podsednik only scored 80 in 2005. http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/_/id/28728/alejandro-de-aza http://espn.go.com/mlb/player/stats/_/id/4...scott-podsednik This is true, if he makes it the full season. I do believe it because winning is the only thing that matters and to do that you need to score more runs than the other team. Everything else is fun discussion but irrelevant.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 08:35 PM) The primary job of a lead-off hitter, like all hitters, is to be productive. OBP is very important in a lead-off man, but slugging has to be part of the equation too. It's also worth mentioning the run environment in '05 was higher than it is now. Podsednik's OBP was 20 points above league average, whereas De Aza's is 13 points above league average this season. Though Podsednik certainly contributed more value on the bases, I don't think that's enough to make up for De Aza's 90 point advantage in slugging. It's all about run production. How many runs scored and RBIs are produced. It's tough to be good at both OBP and Slugging without the PEDs. Everything else is really just playing with numbers. I think that overall they are comparable but DeAza is not that much better if at all.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 20, 2013 -> 08:08 PM) De Aza has been a better "lead-off hitter" each of the past 2 years than Podsednik was in '05. I know we all love to glorify players from the '05 team, and Podsednik certainly had his role, but his offense isn't the reason that team won the World Series. Pods in '05: .290/.351/.349 88 wRC+ De Aza this year: .270/.328/.437 105 wRC+ I would disagree. The primary job of the leadoff hitter IMHO is getting on base and scoring runs. Podsednik has a 20 point lead in OBP and so far leads runs scored 80 -55. Not saying Pods was great but he did his job as well if not better than DeAza.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 04:38 PM) Trade Winds forum: pissing in the wind until bucket or a national sportswriter shares information That should be the title of the forum, pissing into the wind instead of trade winds

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 01:54 PM) Nolan Ryan wanted to go to a 4 man rotation when he took over in Texas, but because all your talent isn't homegrown, it's going to be hard for a team to have 4 major league quality guys physically trained for that unless a lot of other teams jump on board. Hawk had an idea where they should make the seams higher and larger so pitchers wouldn't have to put as much stress on their arms throwing breaking pitches. I hadn't heard this but it's a great idea. The pitchers will decrease the stress on the arm for the same break. The umps don't always call the break now so the pitchers won't increase the break except for a waste pitch.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 12:15 PM) Yes. We don't need him as an innings eater. We need him as an ace, front of the rotation starter. And our other young pitchers should be ridden less as well. This team doesn't exist so that Ventura and Cooper can scratch out 70 wins instead of 65 I disagree. As I said the wins don't matter. However, build ing arm and body endurance is important. For the Sox to be a successful team they need him to be pitching as much as possible as he is the best pitcher.

QUOTE (ron883 @ Jul 19, 2013 -> 10:29 AM) It is the all star break and sale has already thrown 120 pitches. Do you think they should keep his innings down in these throw away seasons? I don't get why we are riding him. He has a scary delivery, and it would just lessen the wear and tear on his arm in general. They need to be skipping starts every now and then for him. If you want him to be an innings eater pitcher in the future he needs to consistently do it. If he doesn't pitch now it will decrease his ability to work next year. A case could be made that this is a perfect year to build his innings and pitch count. He can do it when it doesn't matter and if he loses because of it, so what. It's about building for the future now not results. Of course repeated counts near 130 maybe over doing it but the 120 mark should be achieved regularly to build it up.

QUOTE (beck72 @ Jul 16, 2013 -> 08:19 AM) I'm on board for a Peavy trade, as teams should give a Garza like return if Jake shows he's healthy. but Danks is younger and can play a part of contending team come 2015. He should get a better return than Garza. Garza is only a 3 month rental. Peavy has a very team friendly contract.

QUOTE (lord chas @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 09:50 PM) Looks like a decent gamble Looks like Hahn is not happy with the progress of the power OFs in the Sox system.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 04:22 PM) Sounds like Matt Nachreiner, except he never had cartilage to begin with. /NAMEDROP He should be OK, but he had the same surgery Johan Santana did. Santana had about a 2-3 month stretch of good pitching, was horrid for 5 starts after that, and hasn't pitched since. That was about a year ago. So, if you're keeping track at home, it's been about 2 full years out of the last 2 and a half that he's missed. After this season, Danks still has 3 years left on his deal. Sanatana re-injured the shoulder. You shouldn't assume everyone will re-injure themselves. Can it happen sure. Could he be stronger and more effective, sure. With the way he is currently throwing, I'll lean towards the continue to improve side.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 12, 2013 -> 02:37 PM) One pitcher and some good defense can shut down the opposition. One hot hitter in your line up, and you still probably lose. The Sox have one or two guys hot at a time often this season. Defense (which pitching is a part ) has always trumped offense in sports. I do think that has changed in the NFL. The only reason it has changed in the NFL is the rule changes to specifically make the offense more important. In baseball the same thing happend when they lowered the mound. But pitching and defense is still the most important because you have one person who can control the game.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:42 AM) Unless they find buyers for Peavy AND John Danks, a left-hander who has been pitching much better recently and is an experienced veteran with Game 163/playoff baseball experience, as well as the 2010 season. THis is true. However with the contracts and injuries, the sox may get more for the young pitchers. It could go any of these ways just depending on what other GMs value the highest. My guess would be one of the young pitchers (my bet is Santiago) but you never know.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:23 AM) I can't figure out why he would. Are teams that obsessed with strikeouts and nothing else? I mean, he ought to bring back a fortune if he's traded, but I can't figure out why he'd be so much more valuable than Quintana for example. Santiago has better raw stuff and is young. Maybe some GMs will like to work with that. I would assume that the Sox will trade which ever one another team will offer the most for. One of the young pitchers is going whether it's Quintana or Santiago.1

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 11, 2013 -> 08:14 AM) It's the second time in a few days I've read about Santiago being a part of a trade. The Sox obviously don't hold Hector in as high of regard as many on this board. Maybe they don't think his style will translate into long lasting continued success. Maybe they think he is an injury risk. It obviously is something other than results. Could it be the opposite? The Sox like him but feel he will get the most back of any young starter not including sale?-

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 04:34 PM) It's been historically documented that Peavy's personality has led him to come back too early in the past, but without your credentials I guess we aren't allowed to talk about it. /thread The medical staff had nothing to say about it? It was all Peavy? It's not the credentials, I have no personal knowledge of each of the situations but have experience in many similar situations, it's the lack of belief that the medical staff and physicians allow Peavy do to whatever he wants with no medical clearance. It's all Peavy telling everyone what he os going to do regardless of medical advice. Stop listening to Bernstein and use logic, Peavy would not go out there without medical clearance. The Sox have too much money invested in him.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 10, 2013 -> 04:36 PM) Why would it signal a long term rebuild?? If they get back 2 sure fire MLB ready studs (and then some) they still have Peavy-Danks-Q-Santiago-Johnson/Axe lined up for next year along with 2+ more pieces to the offense. Because even sure fire MLB ready studs struggle and the odds of both being stars in the rookie year is remote. If you start more than 2 rookie hitters in your lineup you will most likely struggle.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jul 9, 2013 -> 07:02 PM) Take a step back Peavy. We have already had enough instances of you coming back too early. It's amazing the number of medical professionals that we have on this board that are privy to his medical condition.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 2, 2013 -> 08:34 PM) There's a lot of competition that has a two month head start, but obviously if he keeps it up... Gyorko and Everth Cabrera with SD, Ryu on his own team, AJ Pollock, Tony Cingrani...and then the two favorites in Evan Gattis and Shelby Miller. If the Dodgers come back to make the playoffs, anything's possible. I wasn't implying he would win the ROY or MVP. I was saying that the start of the seasons were similar with the fantastic stats. He needs to show it over a much longer period of time. How many teams has he even seen twice let alone three or four times.