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QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 01:22 PM) He fell and broke his fibula. It's not a major break he should be ready for ST. It probably priced him down a few million. With the year he had last year and the 3B market the way it is, he could have gotten 3 and $18 million. That's a nothing injury as long as the ankle wasn't dislocated, which it wasn't. You really don't even need the fibula. It's often used for bone grafts. There is no worry about this injury.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 12:18 PM) I would think, as long as there aren't any mechanical issues, there is a good chance that guys like Sale and Q will actually do better in 2012, rather than worse - now that they are stretched out innings-wise. Is that not typically the case? Not always. There is some anecdotal research out there that shows that an increase in the amount innings pitched above a certain levels decreases the pitcher's performance the following year.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 5, 2012 -> 11:55 AM) I'll be interested to see what return would be for Floyd. For me to say 'dont trade Gavin' seems to be becoming a more and more outsider opinion. I don't totally see why. Between Sale, Peavy and Danks..injury is (as is the case with everyone) a concern. And at the end of the rotation, there's suckage potential. Again though, want to see what the return will be. I suppose this will be reminiscent of how we traded Jon Garland for an infielder who played a key role for a bit. The reason is that if Danks comes back strong (there is no reason to expect otherwise) you have a surplus of starting pitchers with a weak offense. If you deal from strength he is the most likely trade candidate. The Sox just need to hope that Sale and Q have no adverse effects of the huge increase in workload last year.

QUOTE (Capn12 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 10:29 AM) Must be nice to actually be able to get NG stuff. Sucks for anyone outside of Wisconsin that actually wants to try it, though. Same deal with Hill Farmstead in Vermont. Plenty of stuff both make, that will never see the light of day outside of their states, and DEFINITELY not down in South Carolina. I pick it up at Mars Cheese Castle on my way up 94. I go back to Marquette occasionally and go golfing and to the Osh Kosh air show every year.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 07:48 PM) There is reason to believe several White Sox will be better. Maybe they won't . There usually are a couple of surprises both good and bad. I do agree, the roster still needs some work, and something will be done. They are serious about competing next year. I still think everyone is going to be surprised by Morel this year. He injured his back in SP and couldn't swing the bat with any authority. We still don't know if he can hit MLB pitching but it will be better than last year. We know he can play defense.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 01:46 PM) Bull! This game has been a huge part of my life enough trust my judgement on what I see, the unmeaserable chemistry factor and watching the game itself being played. I have expressed many opinions over the years on soxtalk and I stand by my record of my words over your stats. I grant that your advanced stats give you a little, very little, insight to player evaluation. For you to come on here and say I have no idea of what I'm talking about because I don't happen to agree with your microscopic standard of player management is ridiculously short-sighted, at best. And, I'm being very restrained in my response to your arrogance. I love the stats arguments. I was one of the biggest supporters of the advanced stats when they first started coming out in the late 80's early 90's (still am). However with the way some people think they are everything and go overboard on them, I find myself shying away from them. The stats are nothing more than someone's opinion of what is important in baseball and finding numbers for them. They offer insight but are still just a numeric version of someone's opinion.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 01:06 PM) I wonder if any of this caused is drop in performance in 2011. If the Sox get the 2008-2010 John Danks, it will be a tremendous addition. It possible. The injury he had is a "wear and tear" type of thing so who knows. Unless he was drunk with some buddies of his and fell on the arm, which from some stories about him may be possible.

QUOTE (Tex @ Dec 2, 2012 -> 06:45 PM) Could any of these be bought legally without a prescription? If the players thought it was ok, why didn't any player piublically say "I'm bigger because I'm taking X? They knew it was wrong. You cannot legally get them without a prescription.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 2, 2012 -> 05:30 PM) baseball has an anti-trust exemption, plus the "good of the game" powers for the commish. Sure he could but it would lead to a major union problem if you suspend a player for something that is not explicitly against the rules.

QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 01:03 PM) ptatc, maybe you can respond in whatever non-baseball thread we have here......but what things do you keep in mind when evaluating an ACL-tear player returning to NFL (Adrian Peterson) vs. returning to NBA (Derrick Rose) takes longer in basketball due to hardfloor vs. grass/turf? more jumping for longer continuous periods of time? The factors are sports and person specific. All ACL reconstructions (unless there are other structures involved such as MCL, PCL, and hyaline cartilage or if significant scar tissue shows up) are ready for full activity around 6-9 months. The person is the next factor. Someone who is small and relies much more on quickness and cutting (Rose) will be held out longer due to increasing the strength and proprioception abilities. He needs to know how to cut and turn on the knee again because there will be a lot of stress on it. The planting and turning on the hard surface with bodies pushing him will also prolong it a bit. They need to make sure he is really strong but also has the balance and coordination to do the activities without undue stress on the knee. Fatigue is the factor which cause the problem the first time and they want to avoid it again. On a side note. Someone like Urlacher who injured his PCL cannot play very long with it. The ligament is critical the stability in the knee and there is no good surgery like there is for the ACL. His day are number and as I said before I wouldn't be surprised if this is his last year when he realizes he cannot play up to his standards with it. The current hamstring injury is most likely due to the fact that you cannot work hamstrings with a PCL injury. It puts too much stress on the joint.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 12:03 PM) On MLB Network's Hot Stove, Harold Reynolds just predicted an ARod retirement due to this 2nd hip surgery. The injury really isn't that serious of a surgery. They just go in a remove the loose material. I'm not sure where they get this "major surgery" bit. If he retires it's because he doesn't want to do the rehab.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 12:06 PM) I heard it was the other hip, not a re-tear. I wonder if his "one year" of steroid use has anything to do with it. Not usually. PEDs usually effect muscles and tendons in the short term. It's usually not the static structures like cartilage. However, there is no telling what the abnormally increased strength does to the other structures indirectly. There is also anecdotal evidence that the brain is also effected. The growth factors are centered in the brain. I still think many of the post-concussion syndromes from former football player ie. Dave Duerson has a link to a combination with PEDs and not just the concussions.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 12:27 PM) They know they are playing on borrowed time with AJ. History suggests catchers fall fast, many at a younger age than AJ is right now. It is possible he will still be doing what he did in 2012 in 2013 and 2014. It is probably probable he won't at least one of those years. I just wonder what their ceiling is on a contract for him. I don't expect him back. Someone will pay up. The thing that he has going for him is that he is always working out and is one of the "hardest workers" in the game. It doesn't surprise me that he is lasting longer than most catchers. You're right though he is going to fall off at some point, probably during the next contract.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 11:30 AM) AJ has played 140 games or more exactly once in his career, and a several of those appearances were because he had to pinch hit or enter as a defensive replacement after a pinch hitter or runner for his back up. Don't make things up thinking you know exactly what AJ wants. And if he performs like he did last year, if he re-signed, why would his time be cut? It is all about how they think he will play the next couple of years and what it will cost, and what they really think about Flowers or someone else they could bring in. AJ has signed 3 or 4 White Sox contracts. If he was as hated or the distraction many make him out to be, he would have been gone long ago. His time may be up, and it might even be the correct move, but the 8 years he was here, the Sox got their money's worth. This is wrong. He is universally disliked. However, he is a good player and the other players deal with him. He hasn't been a distraction because he has gotten his way and played as much as he wanted. As you said this is mostly due to the quality of his backups. I wouldn't put it past KW to have planned it that way. However, if the Sox do decrease his workload below what he wants I have no doubt that you would begin to hear rumblings from the clubhouse. I don't know if it would be a significant enough for a distraction. I also have no doubt this will play a factor in his upcoming contract.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 09:04 AM) If AJ came back and went 0-60 in spring training and Flowers hit .800 with 10 homers, AJP would be starting. The quote was probably phrased a little awkwardly, but it really was harmless. I like that Flowers thinks he should be a regular catcher. If he gets the opportunity, he will have to show it on the field. Exactly. Flowers knows that if AJ is brought back it is to be the starter. He also knows from experience that if AJ is around he will want to be starting every game. AJ does not like to sit out. He catches as much if not more than almost any other catcher. Flowers knows that he will play less with AJ around than with almost any other starter.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 4, 2012 -> 07:58 AM) http://www.csnchicago.com/baseball-chicago...tm_medium=email There is really no reason he shouldn't be ready. The tissues involved are all static structures like ACL reconstruction or UCL replacement in the elbow. These are all very predictable in the recovery time. Moreso, than when you are dealing with active dynamic structures such as muscle or tendon repairs. The usual recovery time is 3-6 months depending on the extent of the repair. His wasn't too bad considering they have him throwing 3 months after the surgery.

QUOTE (farmteam @ Dec 3, 2012 -> 08:32 PM) Currently sipping on a Laughing Fox. So damn good. It's similar to a Fin du Monde or Hoegaarden. I've never tried it but I do enjoy Hoegaarden. I'll give it a shot.

QUOTE (SnB @ Oct 23, 2012 -> 10:50 AM) Definitely my favorite microbrew. Everything they create is so damn smooth. New Glarus makes a really good sour beer. They are fast becoming one of my favorite microbrews.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Dec 3, 2012 -> 10:44 AM) Brad Lidge is retiring. The White Sox should put a statue of him in the park.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Dec 2, 2012 -> 10:40 AM) I hear people say all the time that steroids were not banned, but that's just not true. A quick google search gave me this nugget. "On June 7, 1991, commissioner Fay Vincent sent a memo to each team and the players union that stated: "The possession, sale or use of any illegal drug or controlled substance by Major League players or personnel is strictly prohibited ... This prohibition applies to all illegal drugs ... including steroids." The seven-page document didn't cover random testing -- that had to be bargained with the union -- but it did outline treatment and penalties." Link http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/20...ids-in-bas.html I've seen that before and I agree. However, since it wasn't negotiated and no specifics were named the rule is very subjective. A memo does not constitute a rule. That is why I think some people could debate it. In my mind it is illegal and regardless of the rule in baseball, it's cheating and should be treated as such.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 28, 2012 -> 11:24 PM) As terrible as steroids were, this. Rose and Jackson not being in is incredibly stupid. And what I learned from this is that Buehrle had to be a roider. He was drafted in the 38th round after getting cut in High School. Where did the sudden talent come from? Had to be roids. Rose doesn't deserve to be in the HOF. The rules of baseball said that if you gamble on the game you are gone. It was proven he gambled on the game. There is no discussion. There is discussion about the PED users. I believe it is ethically wrong (and more important medically wrong) to use them. However, there was no rule at the time against them. I wouldn't vote them in but that's more a personal view than rules of the game.

QUOTE (Cali @ Nov 29, 2012 -> 10:10 PM) Getting rid of a loser like Floyd? Sign me up. He is 70-66 lifetime. By definition that makes him a winner. Sorry sarcasm meter is on after watching BBT

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Nov 24, 2012 -> 02:56 AM) Thought the same with Robin, so I can see it happening. Robin did stay around the game though. He did some broadcasting and was working with the front office when KW talked him into interviewing for manager. I see Mark disappearing onto his land and never being seen again (in baseball).

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Nov 18, 2012 -> 12:17 PM) I thin it is a safe bet not one of those guys will ever be as good as Jose Reyes. It is a good trade if you are rebuilding and have to free up,some money, but that is not what it was. It was a trade to free up some money for Loria to put in his own bank account. He probably has lost any chance for fans now. I would think with Reyes, Stanton, Bonafacio, maybe Logan Morrision comes back, Johaon, Buehrle, Nolasco, you had a team with a couple of pieces that could easily be considered a playoff contender. Pulling the plug shows they have no commitment. The park is built, lease is signed, Miami got played. I can understand how Selig cannot reject the trade, but for him not to put pressure on Loria to get out would be sad. I hope this is the end of public money going into ballparks. The guy has a $20 million payroll now. BTW, Escobar is a cancer. They couldn't wait to get rid of him in Atlanta, they couldn't wait to get rid of him in Toronto, and it will be the same any other place he goes. The guy owns the team and has every right to do what he wants with it. However, he has destroyed any confidence the players, fans or city has in him and I hope the other owners can push him out and let him leave with his profits. The trade may be good from a pure player stand point (with prospects you never know). I like public money being spent as long as the public can benefit such as owning the parking, a portion of the tickets etc. It is usually a good way to make money along with the people it brings to a given area.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Nov 15, 2012 -> 08:57 AM) Rodney certainly had an amazing season, but I'd say Eckersley's 1990 season was better. 48 saves, .60 ERA, .614 WHIP an insane 18.25 SO/BB ratio. Only walked 4 batters in 73 1/3 innings (one was intentional). I'm never a fan of voting for a reliever as Cy Young. As remarkable as Rodney's season was, he still "only" had a WAR of 3.7. Amazing for a reliever, but barely over half of what a typical Cy Young winner has. This is where I really disagree with the WAR calculation. It mostly uses innings pitched in the calculation. I would say a reliever could have an impact on more games than a starter.