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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 30, 2012 -> 11:43 AM) jaysonst Jayson Stark Boy, Victor Martinez is in for a long haul. Needed microfracture & meniscus surgery. Won't be ready to have his ACL repaired for 6-8 weeks. There is something weird here. You don't do a meniscus surgery prior to an ACL reconstruction. They are done concurrently because of the healing time. It is counter-productive to be immobilized prior to ACL replacement. The microfracture procedure is done to enhance the healing of the cartilage which covers the ends of the bones (hyaline cartilage not meniscal cartilage). With these procedures there must be some articular cartilage damage that is more serious than the ACL injury. It's good bet his catching days are over. So if he returns next year the 1B/DH positions will be crowded unless he makes the transition to OF ala Fisk

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 27, 2012 -> 10:25 PM) Kenny said there's no money left. The fans should say the same thing to him. MUST. RIP. KENNY. MUST. RIP. KENNY.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 28, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) Trib It will be interesting to watch how he goes through spring training. It will go a long way in telling us how the strength came back in the lat. It usually takes a full year to regain the strength after any significant shoulder surgery.

Since no one else has done it yet, I will say it..... Since Batman is not on the list it has to be ROBIN. (yes, i am a geek)

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 08:12 PM) I just don't get how someone can have this line of reasoning. Wins alone don't tell you if someone is a good manager. Don't you think the actual amount of talent on a roster is single biggest driver of wins? Sure, the manager can impact that production by motivating his players and having them prepared to play, but there's no easy way to measure exactly how much of a difference he made. The manager's in-game decision-making is the other major way he can improve his team's chances to win and that is also difficult to measure. Regardless, wins only tell you how all the individual pieces performed in aggregate, they do not tell you anything about manager's specific contributions. Unfortunately, evaluating a manager has to be subjective. Look at how his roster performed versus how much talent it posesses. Consider how well his team did in close games, where the manager can actually make a difference. The worst team in baseball record-wise could very well have the best manager, if he got more out of his talent and made better decisions than all other managers would have in his role. You use wins to defend Ozzie as a great manager, while I would say his teams did not live up to expections since 2005. He may have the best record in Sox history, but IMO it should have been better given the talent he had. On top of that, he became a terrible in-game manager in recent years, making decisions so confounding it almost seems like he made them simply to put his stamp on the games. Guillen did a good job in 2005, but has progressively gotten worse to the point where he is a bad manager. If people don't agree, they must have missed the past couple seasons, because he cost a lot of games during that time with his idiotic decisions. Your point is valid. I just look at it differently and disagree. You could look at the micromanagement point of view and examine all the little things like every in game decision, the talent of each player etc. You can say the teams underachieved since 2005. I think in 2004, 2005, 2006 and 2008 they over achieved. I prefer to look at the only thing that matters, winning. I never said he was a great manager I said very good and one of the best ever for the Sox. He was an awful in game manager, I think Cooper saved his rear many times with the pitching staff. I think however, that he was really good at getting the most out of his players, until the last 2 years. This is why he was a very good manager but he had lost the team and it was time to go. This seems to happen with fiery coaches/managers. They have a limited shelf life. Ozzie reminds me of Lovie Smith in a way. Both are awful in game mangers but get the most out of the players. This is where they make up for the games they lose with poor in game decisions. I think the hardest part of coaching is getting the pampered millionaires to play at the highest level, especially in baseball where there are so many games and the players can no longer use the amphetamines toward the end of the season. The difference is Smith is low key with it and I think he has a longer shelf life with a given group of players.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 08:46 PM) What? When has this board said anything bad about Brent Lillibridge??? When he was first acquired there were people going crazy about how useless of a prospect he was. Up until last year, he was shredded constantly.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 04:12 PM) KW, easily. Could Dunn or Rios get anymore hate this year than they did last year? Pretty much the same with Peavy. He's done nothing since he's been here. What's another year? Beckham? Expectations are so low for him right now that it's almost expected that he'll be bad. He'll just go down as another bust of a White Sox first round pick. Morel and De Aza? Nope. They're both making peanuts. So if they suck, they'll just be guys that you're not really paying much to suck. Nobody else even worth mentioning,. This is KW's baby. He's put this roster together. Ozzie and Walker are gone. They are of no consequence anymore. If they bomb again, he'll get it much worse than he ever has before. Since everyone knows this is a retooling/rebuilding year will the posters still go after him.... without a doubt. My vote is for all of the above. This board has enough posters to hate and destroy them all.

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 05:04 PM) Buehrle, Santos and Quentin were replaced by 3 top tier prospects. Sox fans have a lot to be angry about but the replacements for those 3 certainly isn't one of them. Wait a minute our awful farm system cannot possbily produce two MLB products to help this year. The sysem is the worst in baseball.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 05:01 PM) Thanks for coming into the thread to supply info. No prblem. I really couldn't help much as they aren't releasing excatly what the injury is and it's quiet even on the trainer's gravevine.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 02:15 PM) That Clown directed the White Sox to the only championship in your lifetime. He is no Bozo. He is the arguably greatest manager in White Sox history cause he led the team to a title. Not only that but he had one of the best records as well. Ozzie was a very good manager for the White Sox. He deserves the credit. That being said, I also think he wore out his welcome and it was time for him to go. It isn't black and white scenario. Thank him for the championship and the fun times but also don't let the door hit to in the arse on the way out.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 02:11 PM) Meh. I don't have a problem with Rose wanting to keep mental note of teams/players he felt "disrespected" him or his team if that helps to fire him up or whatever. Not sure what the Pacers really did. They got a big road win against a team with the best record in basketball. I would imagine one would be a little more hype after that than by beating anyone of the Wizards, Bobcats, Cavs, Pistons, Raptors or any other putrid eastern conference team. But there's a team come Sunday that Rose needs to worry about. A team that humbled him last year. The one, and only, team standing in the way of a finals appearance this year. Save your fury for them. I agree. That's is the attitude that the great competitors have. Whatever gets you focused and gets you ready to give it all to win.

QUOTE (kjshoe04 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 11:53 AM) I do too for the most part, but you shouldn't be spouting off about it all the time unless you have proven time and again that it means something. I wish Jake would just keep his mouth shut about it until he actually does something. That's a different discussion. I agree it doesn't need to talk about it. But many posters blast him for his attitude not talking about it. But that's part of the package with many of the real intense competitors. They try to get others around them to be more intense if they don't see it. He has been a winner and has won a Cy Young. Just because he hasn't done it with the Sox doesn't mean he can't try to instill that attitude in some of the younger players. There is an element in sports where the aging veteran can instill a work ethic or attitude in the young players. I would rather have him act like this than take the Rios approach of keeping to himself and be too mellow. It;'s a personal preference but I like that attitude in an athlete.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 11:26 AM) Rose has said things and backed them up. Peavy, not so much in a White Sox uniform. Rose has missed games. Peavy's problem has been injuries. So it's fine to be intense and try really hard, only if your good. If you don't perform we don't want the players to be intense. The ones who don't perform well we want to be laid back with no insensity? This doesn't make sense to me. I want ALL my players to be intense and have this attitude, not just the ones who play well.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 10:00 AM) No way. That intensity is what makes Rose special. Yet when Peavy says these real intense things he gets blasted for them. not by you but by a lot of posters.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 08:00 AM) Wow. Deng already? Hopefully this isn't something he can do more damage to. As I said earlier, if the Bulls are taking this approach it must be one of the non-crucial ligaments. They will treat it like a sprained ankle and his playing will be based on how it feels.

QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Jan 26, 2012 -> 09:15 AM) I hate slow loading animated gifs I agree. Senor Jalapeno............on a steeeck

QUOTE (kev211 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 10:10 PM) http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-w...ry_bulls_012512 "Deng said Tuesday in Chicago that he’s determined to play his part in chasing a championship with the Bulls. Also, the chance to represent Great Britain at the Summer Olympics in London is an important opportunity for him." That part is scary if you need surgery, but if the injury cant get worse then have it after the season and screw the olympics. Ligament injuries are all about stability of the two bones. Since it's non-dominant wrist he really only needs to worry about ball handling. After playing in a game he will know how the wrist feels. If it's not one of the ligaments that is crucial to wrist stability he'll may be able to manage it like a sprained ankle.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:37 PM) I don't believe his injury is any worse than Kobe's (and that's on his shooting hand). It's all about pain tolerance. In 2004-05, he had surgery bc the Bulls were going nowhere. But yeah, ptatc would be of great help here. The Bulls aren't saying exactly what the injury is so it's hard to predict exactly what is going on in Deng's wrist. There are only two structures in the wrist that are absolutely crucial to stability in the wrist. One is the scapho-lunate ligament. If this is the one he tore it will be really diffcult to flexion or extension in his wrist without pain. It will be a real struggle for him and surgery is usally indicated sooner rather than later. The other structure is the triangular fibrocartilage complex (TFCC). It is a stucture similar to the menicus in the knee. It spreads out the forces in the wrist and holds the radius and ulna together at the proximal part of the wrist. Again, surgery is usually indicated sooner rather than later to maintain stability for the wrist. Any other ligament really isn't crucial to the wrist stabilty. They are usually treated like a sprained ankle, rest and bracing until you can do the activity unless it feels to unstable to him. My guess is that he will try to play within the week and test it in game conditions and go from there but if it gets wrorse an extended period of time could be needed to let the pain and swelling go down.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 09:46 PM) Well, you can count on him having injuries, perhaps not that exact one. Prior to that one he wasn't really that much more of an injury risk than any other pitcher.

QUOTE (Real @ Jan 25, 2012 -> 03:39 PM) unfortunately for KW, he is really in a lose/lose situation when it comes to all future FA signings with the gaffes of Peavy and Rios (I'm not counting Dunn as a gaffe) If you don't count Dunn, why would you count Peavy? Could KW predict Peavy would have an injury that noone else in baseball has ever come back from?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 24, 2012 -> 05:34 PM) Yes, I think as for as RH hitters go you've got the clear #1 in Pujols, followed closely by Miggy and then I'd say Braun. Miguel has never had this type of protection behind him before. He could have his best year yet. I think I would agree especially in light of the PEDs. I don't think Cabrera is on anything except Tequila and cheeseburgers.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 24, 2012 -> 05:28 PM) And I agree completely. I said the Tigers had the division on lock. Not the AL. I still can't believe how little love the Rays STILL get. When you've got Price, Hellickson, Moore and Shields, yes, you've got a squad. As it currently stands they are the odds on favorite.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 24, 2012 -> 05:26 PM) OK, and when it happens, I'll say you guys were right. We've been hearing about Verlander and impending injuries for years. We've been hearing about how fat Prince Fielder is for years. Now it's Miggy. And all these guys do is perform. That's not true. It wasn't that long ago that I was Mr. Optimistic when it was warranted. You don't see me pimpin' the Cubs and Astros. Rays, Rangers, Phillies? You better believe I admire them. I don't think the Tigers are some premier organization. But the talent is undeniable. Is Fielder and Cabrera better than Fielder and Braun?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 24, 2012 -> 05:15 PM) So the case against Detroit at the moment is too wait for their fat guys, even though they've always been fat, to turn into Mo Vaughn, or for Miggy to drink himself out of baseball. Nice. If that happens, then fine. As of right now, it's curtains. They'll be plenty of drama in the other two divisions. I think the case really is that pitching and defense wins championships. The tigers still aren't real strong in either one. Their offense will carry the division, and that isn't saying much, but I don't think they'll go much further.

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jan 23, 2012 -> 11:37 AM) I need some great Sox news to keep my mind off the 49ers losing last night.. you'll get some toward the end of the week with Soxfest coming up.