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QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) But his shoulder has been sore since his first outing, and every outing since. Wouldn't that point to a bigger problem? not really. He hadn't thrown in games in quite a while so it's expected that he was more sore. I base this mostly on the fact that he was throwing with good control and velocity. It wasn't until the start where he was sick that everything really dropped. In hindsight it was too much but until that point there was nothing really to point to that said, they needed to back off because the shoulder strength couldn't handle it. They'll go back to a decreased number of pitches and slowly build it up again just like any pitcher with a rotator cuff tendonitis.

QUOTE (JPN366 @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 01:48 PM) There isn't an Android version. I have a real hard time finding 12 ounce glass bottle Coke. The small bottles are easy to find. Sam's Club has them. They are the Hecho in Mexico version with real sugar.

QUOTE (scenario @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) Is it possible that his aches on Sunday were more flu related than pitching related? Why are we evaluating a guy while he's sick? It wasn't so much that the muscles were aching from the flu. It was more that because of the flu he hadn't throw in a week and the muscles were weak and that not being able to hold down solid food for a few days his whole body was weak. Not a good recipe for a continued progressing rehab and strengthening program.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Mar 22, 2011 -> 01:13 PM) Ok, so that's just what his surgeon is guessing his body will be able to handle. That's a totally different thing from the team coming out and saying "60 pitch limit through May 1". This is the surgeon talking without seeing him or testing him either. This is also the same surgeon who said he would be out for a year after the surgery. He is an excellent surgeon but he also doesn't have the experience with the day to day rehab of the shoulder. Peavy will progress faster than that and he will be throwing more than 60 pitches in May. Peavy threw 60 pitches two weeks ago without much problem. If he stays at 60 for another month that means his strength hasn't improved in almost 6 weeks. This will show a significant problem.

QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 11:44 PM) Isolated Peavy's quotes. Sorry Peavy, but I'm calling bulls***. You didn't say anything until now. The only one that knows that you are hurting is you, plain and simple. Please stop trying to put the blame on Kenny/Ozzie/Coop. He's saying the right things about being smart, he's just not following his own words. There's a good possibility that he was lying on purpose. He really wants to return and patients will go into denial. He may be thinking "it's really not that bad" or " I just came off surgery so it's going to feel a little different." Either way you can't trust his subjective information regarding the pain but I wouldn't rush to judge him and necessarily say he was outright lying. The blame really is on his shoulder(s) as the Sox can only go by what they see, he was doing well, and what he reports.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 10:08 PM) Fair enough. I've re-read some of the articles that have come out over the last 24 hours and its clear Peavy was trying to be Wolverine and it's backfired once again. But from this point on the Sox better not listen to a thing Peavy says. It's safe to say he's more bark than bite and his net worth with us has been zero. This is the key to the whole thing. The medical staff can do all of the tests they want but it's really hard to judge if someone is being totally honest. The only way they caught it is when his velocity was down and he struggled when pitching. If they have to wait until he struggles that much until they know he is having problems it will be a long time before his shoulder strength returns. It's just like any other strengthening program. when you reach a certain level and plateau you can't push it too hard or you will injure yourself to some degree. He was obviously going to hard and needed to back off but the staff didn't know it until the results dropped.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) I won't believe a thing the White Sox say regarding Peavy until he's pitching in a game that means something.. And if it's not Humber it'll be some scrub from the system. Same thing. Why do you distrust anything the Sox have said. They have said anything that wasn't accurate. They let him progress as the medical staff advised. Peavy hid the fact that his shoulder was more sore than normal. The Sox were encouraged with the fact that he was increasing his pitch count and throwing in the low 90's. Nothing looked wrong until the last start when he was throwing 85-90 but he also had the flu. there is nothing in the scenario where the Sox misled anyone, and that shouldn't cause anyone to mistrust anything that has come out of this situation. You can doubt if he will be ready which is legitimate if his strength doesn't increase at a good rate, however I can't see where they misled anyone.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 21, 2011 -> 07:15 AM) Hopefully Peavy's rotator cuff tendonitis is all that his discomfort really is. I remember Rick Sutcliffe once saying when the medical staff is uncertain of exactly what is causing your pain, you have tendonitis. I just hope its nothing that could be far more serious. this is true. As stated earlier medicine has advanced but it is still educated and informed guesswork. There is no way to be certain what is causing the pain unless you do an arthroscope. The medical staff can only go by the palpation and special tests they perform on his shoulder and relate it to typical symptoms from his history. It's pretty rare that rotator cuff tendonitis is missed as something more serious due to strength testing. You can be strong with pain and it indicates tendonitis. If it's painful and weak there are a multitude of things that are in play. The primary problem here is they obviously cannot trust the subjective pain level from Peavy because he either has an extremely high pain tolerance (which is rare) or he is down playing the pain level because he wants to keep going. This makes the rehab from here on out a little more challenging and probably more conservative.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 08:41 PM) It wasn't directed at anyone. But C'mon. We used to clown the Cubs all the time whenever it appeared Wood and Prior were ready to go and they mysteriously had a 'setback.' I didn't buy the bright and shiny Peavy crap from the start. I kept quiet because I didn't want to pollute the board with negative vibes or whatever. But my fury will be unleashed now. The big difference is that the Cubs knew they weren't ready so they pitched only side sessions when the setbacks occurred. The Sox knew he was healthy and knew he was ready to go and that's why they pitched him in games. The problem here is that with the unknown rehab schedule due to the rarity of the surgery, the Sox trusted Peavy to tell them how he felt. The intensity of the throwing was more than the strength of the weakened shoulder could handle. You can be as pessimistic as you want but he is still far ahead of schedule for his return and that fact that he was able to get to 80 pitches during spring training is a very good sign.

QUOTE (since56 @ Mar 20, 2011 -> 07:00 PM) Mark Prior, oops! I mean Jake Peavy comes back when he can and goes into the bullpen until we can dump him on another desperate for pitching team. The big difference between Prior and Peavy is that Prior wouldn't pitch when everyone told him they couldn't find anything wrong. Peavy on the other hand pushes through problems and can make it worse. While I understand the perception of often injured pitchers, comparing the two is really an insult.

The tendonitits is most likely a result of everything being weak from the layoff after the surgery and the strength building. This is also the set back I'm sure the medical team said was coming because they have no idea how soon the strength would return. It's something that they were expecting in one from or another. It was probably made worse by pitching in such a weakened state the other day. Even if he misses a start or two it's the mid to late April return which is why everyone was predicting the later return.

QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 10:07 PM) It seems like healthcare provides a lot of jobs for nurses, techs, doctors, and everyone working at a hospital or clinic. Toss in designing and manufacturing medical equipment, supplies, etc and you have some nice jobs and money coming into the economy. But I see and agree with your point as well. There aren't enough doctors nurses and such now. All you will do is overwork the current ones unless you want to lower the standard and decrease the quality. It will increase the market for drugs however and it will help that industry alot.

QUOTE (Tex @ Mar 19, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) Another blank check. We can't afford health care for the people in America but we can burn a few more billion in military aid. Healthcare doesn't provide jobs or bring money into the economy. War does. We need to replace the Tomahawk missiles we fired and the government will pay American companies to build. I'm not saying it's right or wrong just that it will keep jobs and money rolling.

QUOTE (knightni @ Mar 16, 2011 -> 05:41 PM) A.J. is blindfolded and might end up in the water. He's about to walk off of that Pier, zynski can't see. LOL. And I thought me using a foreign language was bad.

To rid the town of vampires you must Chuck Knoblauch at them.

QUOTE (SpainSOXfan09 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) For a player of Viciedo´s speed and athletic ability which corner is harder to play and patrol? Left or Right? I mean he has come into ST in far better shape than previous years and has a supposed cannon for an arm. What thinks ye? With his arm I think right is the better fit, but i think he could play either.

QUOTE (SoxPride56 @ Mar 14, 2011 -> 12:48 AM) Dr. Anthony Romeo He's actually an orthopedic surgeon with a decent bedside manner as well.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 06:12 PM) Dead on right here. If we had a Martin Perez and Tanner Scheppers waiting in the wings, I'd feel just fine with Sale as our future closer. I honestly don't know. Could be. All I read was that they didn't want to take him out of his comfort zone. Something like that. Maybe that says something about Feliz that he'd rather pitch 70 innings than 200. or maybe he would rather pitch in 65 games than 34. this way he could have an effect on a greater number of games.

QUOTE (T R U @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) I feel so bad for those guys, splitting up 9 billion dollars must be such a f***ing headache that's an awful lot of pennies to count. No one wants to let go of one. No wonder it is taking so long!

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 05:14 PM) The Rays certainly didn't do that with Price. Though to be fair he had only spent a little over a month in the 'pen in '08. Either way, I don't expect Sale to be a starter. this is true, however not all players are created equal. Maybe the Rays were more confident in Price's secondary stuff and ability to stay healthy. All I'm saying is that there are many reasons that teams think that some pitchers are better suited for the bullpen. I'm not saying it necessarily applies to these two but I always give the benefit of the doubt to the people who know them and work with them on a daily basis.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) C'mon, Rowand. Are you trying to say that there's not at least a 50/50 chance that if Sale flourishes in relief that come spring 2012 we won't hear something like “Well you know, Chris did a really good job in his role last year. It might not be fair to him to move him to the rotation” or “It'd be kinda risky to increase his innings by such a substantial amount so soon.” That'd be right up Ozzie and Coop's alley. That would be right up many coaching staff's alley. If the players is outstanding in one role and just effective in another maybe he should stay in the former. Don't you think that all of these teams want to win. The coaches will get fired if they don't win. They will put the player where they think they have the best chance to win. Maybe Texas thinks that he will lose to much of his stuff as a starter and will not be as effective. The Sox may think that Sale is more effective throwing 99 out of the pen instead of 94 in the rotation. I don't know any of this for fact but there are two sides.

QUOTE (La Marr Hoyt HOF @ Mar 11, 2011 -> 01:53 PM) Now pitching SAAAALOOOMEEEEE BaROOOOOOOJAAAS!!!!!!!! I loved it when the PA guy did that.

I think the fact that Thornton is on the same schedule as our opening day starter gives a clue that Thornton will at least get the first shot at closer.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) Good to know. That puts him back into the lineup in a little more than a month and a half? I'd like some advice from you on how to heal this damn skiier's thumb injury I've had for years. Unfortunately a skier's thumb is not an injury you can do anything about. It's a torn ligament that needs to be repaired within about 3-4 days of the injury otherwise the ligament shrinks and cannot be repaired. I'ts the only ligament on the ulnar side of the thumb. Without it the thumb is unstable and things like writing and gripping can be difficult. There are no muscles or other structures that cross the joint in that area so nothing can really compensate for it. There are braces that you can buy that will help stabilize it. I had the same injury about 20 years ago and had surgery. It does well but I still use a brace when I do alot of things with patients that will stress it.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 10, 2011 -> 04:44 PM) f***!!! By far the most impressive player in camp. Thumbs are very tricky to heal correctly. As long as they don't need surgery to pin a displaced fracture it will heal fine. If they're saying 3-4 weeks I'm assuming that it isn't displaced. He'll be able to start swing a bat then but probably won't play in a game until around the 5th week. Bones take 6-8 weeks to fully heal but a callus forms around 3 so that's when the fracture will become stable enough to begin activities.