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QUOTE (Reddy @ Feb 20, 2011 -> 06:07 PM) i think it sounds horrible. watch EVERY SINGLE GAME? That would take all your time all day, every day. Then having to talk/write about them too? I would NOT want this job no matter how much they pay you. It's not horrible but it becomes a hassle. Being and every game and working with players before and after every game was fun for awhile but it gets to be like anyother job. It was more fun than the packing equipment, loading it and unloading it, getting to the ballpark early to unpack it in time for the first player or coach to enter. Then doing it again every third day or so. I can't imagine what it was like the year they had all of those two game series. It is a great experience but I wouldn't want to do it again.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Feb 20, 2011 -> 03:10 PM) Prior had pretty much impeccable mechanics. Also think Prior might have used PEDs; his calfs with inhumanely huge. The calfs were really long but that was genetics. He was one of the type of people who had long legs and a really short torso. He was all arms and legs. As far as PEDS go,, it didn't look like it to me but at that time in MLB nothing would surprise me.

QUOTE (knightni @ Feb 19, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) Prior's mechanics were horrible. Steve Stone offered to help adjust Prior's motion before he hurt himself, but got turned down flat. Prior's mechanics were as perfect as Strasburg's are now. It just depends on whose philosophy you follow. There were many people who stated that Prior had the best mechanics they had ever seen and could repeat it flawlessly.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 19, 2011 -> 11:15 AM) I'd be stunned if they sent Sale to the AFL or Winter ball this year. Whoever made that call would be crucified if he hurt his arm pitching in the offseason. If they put him in the bullpen this year but want to give him the innings to continue to build him into a starter they would.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 19, 2011 -> 02:26 AM) Soo..... 2008: 36 IP 2009: 89 IP 2010: 103 IP 2011: 65-70 IP? 2012: 170+ IP? Yeah, I can't see a reason to doubt that plan..... EDIT: And yes, I realize they won't allow Sale to go 170 IP if he is a reliever in 2011, and that is kind of my point. He will be behind where he could have been if he had continued to increase his innings every year by being a starter. If the only thing your worried about is innings pitched, they will make it up in the AFL or winter ball.

Doesn't matter what Buerhle did in the minors. It's learning how to get MLB hitters out. If it's arm strength your worried about, they can send him to the winter leagues to make up the innings.

QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Feb 18, 2011 -> 12:58 PM) And you have no idea that this won't delay his progress as a starting pitcher either. Seemed to work for Buerhle. Many pitchers start off in the pen and become starters later. One reason is to learn to pitch to MLB hitters in contolled, hand picked situations before they need to face everyone.

QUOTE (YASNY @ Feb 18, 2011 -> 08:07 AM) From what I understand, you can generally count on it being 18 to 24 months before a pitcher gets back his total effectiveness after TJ surgery. you can start throwing between 6-8 months and pitching around 9. However, as with most ligament repairs most athletes will say they don't "feel" normal until around 18 months regardless of everything else. As I said previously reparing or replacing passive tissue structures is alot different than active tissue. In Nathan's case they replced tissue. In Peavy's they just re-attached current tissue. There's a big difference in healing time. When you replace tissue it needs to "die " first since it was a tendon and was removed. During this phase they need to wear protective braces and they can't do too much activity. Once it dies it needs to get a new blood supply and regenerate. Once it begins to regenerate it comes back with more ligament properties than tendons. It amazing but no one really knows why this happens. There are throries but no true answers. This is why ligament replacement healing takes longer than just a re-attachment.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Feb 17, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) Wow. I didn't realize his injury was that bad. Everything that can go wrong for the Mets has gone wrong. It sounds like they are still in a deep financial mess with the whole Madoff situation as well. Anything that effects the passive stability of the shoulder takes a long time. First you need to get it healed, then stretch it out before you can begin much strengthening. Then you need to begin throwing. It is always a pain to get through that extra stretching phase because you need enough mobility to throw but you need to maintain enough tightness to create the stability needed. Threse types of surgeries more than any other can really change the way a pitcher throws.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 13, 2011 -> 02:16 PM) Come on man, you know better than this. It's not that they're going up, it's that they're going to go dramatically down this year, before going dramatically back up next year. That's a much different beast from the fact that his innings have been going up the last few years. You could always pitch him in Winter ball to add more innings and get him ready to be a starter next year.

QUOTE (Jake @ Feb 9, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) PT = Physical Therapist ATC = Certified Athletic Trainer I don't know exactly why the acronym doesn't match the description with ATC, they probably didn't want to be CATs. you are correct. the ATC comes from how the certification was attained . Back in the dark ages when I was getting my degrees there were not many degreed athetic trainer programs. you could get a degree in a related field (PT) and work under a current rainer for 2000 hours. There were also a group of 8 courses you needed to take. This group was known as athletic trainers, certified as opposed to athletic trainers who got a degre whowere AT.. Now you must go through a formal degree and those of us olld folks were grandfathered in and the compromise was everyone is known by the predominent category of ATC. Those two were my first degrees and certifications so I use the intialss alot.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 04:51 PM) encouraging news, but I really hope they don't rush him. I would rather have a month or so of a bad AAAA pitcher than Jake pushing it and being gone for the rest of the year. Especially since first month or so of the season they have some days off so it's easier to go with a 4 man. They really don't need to worry about rushing him. The injury is healed. The only part of the rehab left is to regain strength in the shoulder. As he continues to throw his velocity and endurance will tell them when he is rady. There is no "gutting it out" or "being tough." The injury is gone. It the layoff and subesequent weakness that needs to be dealt with now.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) What caused his injury is his natural mechanics. When Peavy throws, after the release of the pitch his arm swings back upward instead of allowing inertia to carry it across his chest beneath him. (see the Mitch Williams analysis on the Sox webpage...)This results in his lat muscle taking most of the deceleration impact which is very dangerous and asking for trouble. IMO, If Jake wants to recover and excel, he's gonna have to alter that follow-though and from what I know about Jake, he's not gonna want to do that. The best thing for Jake and the team is to work that into his mechanics NOW. That is the work Cooper was doing with him last year and he just didn't want to stay with it because he was ineffective out there. The problem isn't really with the follow through. The problem comes more from his arm slot. When he drops down to far he brings his arm more to the side and this is why he has the follow through you are describing. When he throws more over the top the follow throough is more what most people like to see. The Sox have tried to change his mechanics but he was uncomfortable with the change and he wasn't as effective. Since his fastball has always been just a little above average, he drops down further to get more movement. Same thing with the slider he gets more "slide" if he drops down. This is why I've said all along that from working with other athletes with this injury, I have no doubt he will come back 100% and probably close to the beginning of the season. Whether he will be effective with the changes I'm sure they are going to want is the big question.

QUOTE (bucket-of-suck @ Feb 8, 2011 -> 01:14 PM) The lat muscle is a deceleration muscle as it relates to pitching. Peavy's is now completely attached again. He'll be much stronger than before. Once it's properly conditioned, velocity will not be a problem. The lat muscle is really more of an acceleration muscle. It's primary function is internal rotation which is when the arm is coming forward. In EMG studies it is active during deceleration but it's primary function is acceleration.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Feb 5, 2011 -> 03:51 PM) And none of those guys were going to command 5-6 year, $100+ million dollar contract on the open market. This is really a first during the KW era. A young, premium talent in his prime that could very well hit FA. We haven't had to worry about this because we don't do young talent here. JR will not approve a contract for a pitcher that is more than 3-4 years. The Sox have been burned too many times. I think they would hesitate but go 4 but that is it. I think Danks is gone when he hits FA.

The two best sports ones are: Steve Kerr: I've torn my ACL and will miss the season Reporter: Doctors say that you only regain 80% of your speed after this surgery. Are you worried? Steve Kerr: 80% of slow is still slow. Walter Payton and Matt Suhey after a camping trip. Reporter: What would the two of you have done if attacked by a bear. Payton: Start running. Suhey: You can't out run a bear. Payton: I don't have to. I just have to out run you.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 02:44 PM) There is no chance Williams is going to trade a starter this late in the offseason, barring the "blown away" package. Teahen was always going to be a 4th outfielder and corner infielder for this team. And as much as I would have loved Jones back - I even said early in the offseason that it would have been one of the first moves I would have made - I can't disagree with it at this time. Adam Dunn still hits lefties fairly well, and though Quentin struggles against them, Ozzie would never take him out against a lefty. And hopefully Viciedo adapts to the outfield well enough so that he can be adequate come anytime from June till the end of the season in case they do need a lefty masher on the bench. Sale is probably going to be in the bullpen this year and moving to the rotation following that, Pena proved he is awful as a starting pitcher, and I don't know why you keep bringing up Humber's name. You're crazy. Maybe he has one lined up and is just waiting to see How Peavy will pitch in spring training before he pulls the trigger.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 27, 2011 -> 02:07 AM) This is a great thread. You never hear these kind of stories. I pity you guys cause there was a time baseball was very very cheap to go to. And it was still entertaining white sox baseball many of those years. There was no reason for this wild escalation of salaries and ticket prices and parking except for owners' greed. Unfortunately now it's way too expensive for many hard working southsiders to go to games. I wouldn't put it all on the owners. The players and the union had something to do with demands as well. Professional sports is really the only industry where the payroll takes up around 60% of the gross revenue. The owners are greedy but don't leave out the players.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 09:02 PM) I just can't understand why they wouldn't have had him in one on the sidelines just for precautionary measures. They wouldn't put him in one if he wasn't going back in. However, I'm surprised he wasn't wrapped in ice.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) I thought he had surgery for loose shoulder capsules, which basically any pitcher will get over time. Exactly right. However this is a big difference than a reconstruction where they need to rebuild and trnasplant tissue for usually the rotator cuff. Tightening the capsule is an easy procedure with minimal rehab. Mostly just stretching and joint mobilization.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) Would the training staff have had braces on hand to try and brace Cutler's knee so he could try and gain some stability with it? I know they would not have had a fitted brace necessarily, but is that the sort of thing the medical team would have on hand? Does it seem odd to you that they didn't have him in some kind of brace while he was on the sidelines? They would have the braces on the sideline. It is strange that they didn't have him in one. I was at the game and when they reported he had a knee injury, it was the first thing I looked for. It is possible they tried him with it in the locker room at half time and he was still unstable even with it. This whole injury deals more with instability not pain. If the brace didn't make it stable enough (if they tried one and I can't imagine they didn't) the coaches and medical staff wouldn't let him go back in.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 02:57 PM) And yet...a few years later, he finally went under Dr. James Andrews's knife, and basically wound up having a complete shoulder reconstruction. to be fair Prior did not have a shoulder reconstruction. He had a procedure to tighten it up and clean up a few things. However the point is valid.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 25, 2011 -> 10:38 AM) I want to add in a random fact. Type 1 diabetics are not allowed (only in a worse case situation would they) to take cortisone shots. A local radio show out here had a doctor on talking about it. Geeze, guy goes out and plays 3 series on a torn MCL (grade 2 sprain) without any pain killers. Thats a f***ing man! A cortisone shot would not help this injury. The injections are for joint inflammation. This ligament is extra-articluar. It would not be effected by an injection regardless of his diabetes, which is accurrate.