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QUOTE (IamtheHBOMB @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) You're talking in the same rotation, right? I've spent the last five minutes trying to find the biggest dbag to ever pitch behind Clemens and haven't come up with anything so far. Did Wells pitch with Clemens in Toronto? That would do it.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 10:08 AM) Sure it did, but the runner's speed on first has less of an effect on a double play than the runner running to first. Of course, it didn't help that Konerko hit behind Thome for the majority of Thome's time here. BTW, Dunn's K rate in RISP situations is 7% lower than his career K rate. His walk rate is also 7% higher than his career walk rate. this is what drives me crazy. He didn't drive the run in if he walks. As I've said before don't get me wrong I like him, I just know I'll be throwing things at the TV when he strikesout or walks with an important run in scoring position

QUOTE (YASNY @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 09:57 AM) It's hard to hit if you don't get a pitch to hit. It's also hard to hit when you're only intention during hitting is to hit an HR. There was a stat I read once and I wish I could find the source. It basically said that Thome is the all time leader in PAs when the ball was not in play. this took into account walks, strikeouts and HRs.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 09:56 AM) I don't think you can blame Thome for walking. You should probably blame whoever's hitting behind him. Since they're the ones hitting into DPs. All Thome can do is try to not make an out. http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/...r&t=b#bases Those are Dunn's numbers with different base/out states. Dunn's a career .231 hitter with RISP, but he also has a .420 OBP in those situations. Pitchers are probably more careful with guys like Dunn and Thome when they're up with RISP. They'd much rather pitch around them than attack them and get hurt by a three run home run. the speed of Thome did play a factor in it. I'm not saying I don't like him in the lineup I think he will help alot, especially compared to Kotsay. It's just that these types of players drive me crazy because there are borderline pitches they will walk on when a hit would be better. Also the strikeouts don't benefit anything and they will strikeout 3x as much as they hit a HR. Strikeouts and walks do not drive in the run and we know that Dunn will have 220-250 of those this year.

QUOTE (DOWNTOWN PANTHER @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 08:59 AM) It doesnt help. Also, unless the 3rd base coach has a miller lite and a box of white castles there dont expect him to hustle either. In his interviews, he said one of the reasons he likes Chicago is the Portillo's Italian beef sandwiches. So maybe that will get him moving!

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 08:45 AM) Paying $10 million for a set up man is irresponsible. It takes 2 really bad and 6 other bad appearances all year to take an ERA from 1.73 to 3.73, and the WHIP can be just as bad too. And, considering that Soriano has had arm problems in the past as well, it's just simply not wise to spend $10 million on him unless you plan on having him close. This is only true if you are paying based on peripheral numbers. The overall goal is to win games. If the rotation is suspect and they can't improve it, the only other option is to improve the bullpen to reduce the damage the starters can do. Where the money is poorly spent is his health issues. If it's a deal more than 2 of years, odds are he will miss a good potion of it.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jan 7, 2011 -> 08:00 AM) This post is almost not worth responding to, but I had to. I was going to lay down some sarcastic comment, but I decided to get some stats. Yes, Adam Dunn strikes out a lot. But he also walks a lot, hits a lot of homeruns, and drives in a lot of runs. In his 10 year career, he has hit 354 HRs, drove in 880 runs, walked 990 times, has an OBP of .381, a slugging % of .521, and an OPS of .902. Hardly the most overrated power hitter of this baseball generation. Does anyone have the stats of how he does in RBI situations? The thing that will drive me crazy during the season is the same thing that drove me crazy with Thome, when the Sox have a guy in scoring position Dunn will strikeout or walk which will not get the run in. The next guy up grounds into a double play or is out and the Sox don't score. I'm not saying getting him is a bad deal because I like his presence in the lineup. But guys like him and Thome who have a high strikeout and walk rates look good on OBP but they seems to do it at a time when a single would be much more effective.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 5, 2011 -> 09:37 AM) Yet he'd still be about 30 percent of the player Frank was in his heyday. Frank was by far the better overall hitter. PK is a better homerun hitter and much better at defense. Frank took alot of criticizism for letting borderline high pitches go when they were the perfect ones to drive. He began to argue with the umps more when they stopped giving him alot of those later in his career Frank was one of the few hitters that you had to stop whatever you were doing and watch his at bat.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 5, 2011 -> 11:00 PM) Well I no longer considered B-Mac a prospect at the point of that trade. But I can give you that. My point was Wite, for some reason unknown, thinks we'd have viable replacements if a player or two went down in-season. I challenged him to give some examples. Why not? He had a heck of a run in August and Sept. to help the sox make the playoffs. There were many people really angry, on this board and in the papers, that KW traded away a pitcher who has some success at the MLB level for a few guys who hadn't. How about Bobby Jenks and Gordon Beckham?

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 5, 2011 -> 07:35 PM) Has there ever been one legitimate link to Bagwell and PEDs? Other than the fact he was big and strong? I honestly don't remember. i think it's kind of like the Magglio PED connection. There is no sure link but everyone in baseball pretty much knows they did. There is enough talk and enough people talking about it to cast a large doubt in the minds of the voters. Plus there is the type of injuries in his injury plagued history that lends itself to PED use.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Jan 5, 2011 -> 06:34 PM) It's not the DH. It's the speculation that Bagwell used PED's. Frank was the best pure hitter of the 90's. And plus HOF voters like garbage terms like "feared" which Frank surely was. That being said I think Bagwell should be in the HOF. Personally I don't need the self righteousness of the voters concerning PED's. I might go with Bonds as the best. Prior to the steroid use he still could do everything with the bat. It would be a toss up between the two IMO.

QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Jan 5, 2011 -> 01:44 PM) I'm happy for Blylevin, but Morris was every bit his superior, IMO I disagree but that game 7 WS game against the Braves was one of the best ever seen.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jan 4, 2011 -> 07:54 PM) This is just a random guess...Andrus, Young, Kinsler, Hamilton, Beltre, Cruz, Moreland, Torrealba, Bourbon. That lineup is beyond sick. Not to mention the defensive excellence that will be on display. I don't think Young, Beltre, Andrus and Kinsler can co-exist in the same lineup. If Beltre does sign I'm not sure how they can manage unles they trade Young but that 16 mil price tag will make it tough.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Jan 4, 2011 -> 01:49 PM) like Balta and many said...you bet your butt he is. Whether that's good or bad remains to be seen...hopefully it doesn't make him go into psycho-mode because of it. Having said that...it seemed to work for Lovie Smith this year but Lovie and Ozzie about as far apart on the spectrum as you could possibly be. the part that scares me is that you know the Sox will hire a person who has not managed before or who has little MLB mangerial experience. That has always been the MO. I'm not sure who is out there that I would prefer over OZZie. Maybe this is what Joey is waiting for ala Rick Hahn and KW's jub.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2011 -> 08:45 AM) Its usually a year to heal, and then a year of getting back strength and accuracy it seems. the rehab is usually 8-9 months. But you're right, it takes many pitchers a while to regain the "feel" for pitches with the new tightened elbow. From my experience the more experienced pitchers take less time to regain this. I would guess that Nathan would get it back through spring training depending on how much they let him throw.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 2, 2011 -> 11:33 AM) I don't think anyone was really referring to the technical aspects of the accounting, other than ss2k, who is in agreement with you. The question seemed to be whether it was against any MLB rules to use profits from another corporation or organization to fund an MLB team. It's not. No it's not against the rules. You can invest whatever money you cn get your hands on. It's a business. The only difference is the anti-trsut exemption for business across state lines.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Jan 2, 2011 -> 11:43 AM) I did some more digging and pretty much came to this conclusion on my own. BTW, Reinsdorf owns 63% of the Bulls per wiki. i knew he owned more of the Bulls but I wasn't sure how much. I only spent a little time in the NBA and most of my freinds are in MLB and NFL.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Jan 1, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) More bad injury news for the Sox farm system. The word Friday at the University of Louisville basketball game was that Thomas Royse, the Sox third-round pick in the 2010 draft, will miss the 2011 season. Royse, the best pitcher in the Big East last season at Louisville, had Tommy John surgery on his right elbow several weeks ago. Pretty sure he was shut down last summer when he pitched at Great Falls. Mitchell, Phegley, Royse ... the hits just keep on coming. TJ surgery is usually 8-9 months of rehab. If he had the surgery 2 months ago say, October he should pitch again toward the end of this season to get his arm going again and get ready for 2012.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 2, 2011 -> 10:26 AM) The Bulls' financial success since the Jordan era might be a reason why we're getting so much money this off-season. After all, Jerry is the majority owner of both teams and he can do whatever he wants with the money he makes. JR is not the majority owner of the sox. He owns very little of the team, I believe it is still under 15%. However, he is voted as Chairman of the board so he runs the team for the investors. He onws more of the Bulls b ut I'm not sure of the percentage. Again, he is the Chairman of the board of the Bulls which is why he runs the team. Each investor can do what he wants with the money, if it's approved by the board. Each of cannot just say "here is extra money go ahead and use it." It would need to be approved. Some investors may not agree to it based on individual politics within the investor group. I doubt it would happen but all decision need to go through the Board just like any other company. The groups for the two teams are separate and they cannot just move money from one to the other. They are different companies and one comapny cannot give another company money without board approval.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Dec 31, 2010 -> 09:37 AM) So you blame Bobby for not performing last year? Ozzie, who knew all of Bobby's problems about drinking and marital issues, was the one that kept trotting him out to fail. Why would the locker room be mad at Bobby? Ozzie is the one that set him up for failure. The only way to help Bobby with personal problems was to try to make a positive work environment. Ozzie tried to do this. I don't fault Ozzie. I have a number of problems with things Ozzie does but trying to take care of his players isn't one of them. You can't help someone by making the life more miserable.

QUOTE (Paint it Black @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 09:57 PM) Maybe we should wait and see what actually occurs with the first 7 picks, (Tim Beckham, Pedro Alvarez, Eric Hosmer, Brian Matusz, Buster Posey, Kyle Skipworth, and Yonder Alonso) before we praise the White Sox for their ability to develop polished college players. Besides T. Beckham and Skipworth, you think the White Sox wouldn't like to have the other 5 players over Beckham? I'm not saying Beckham is a bad player or that I don't like his game going forward. The seven clubs before the White Sox mostly picked guys who had higher ceilings (albeit more risk and development time). The White Sox love drafting polished college players. Fine, whatever. My whole argument stemmed from this idea that farm system rankings should take into account the players who are on the big club now when really the best way to measure how well a team develops players is how many damn titles they win, and if Beckham and Sale are your crowing achievements as to why the farm system should get more credit, then we really need to rethink some things. And I thought I made it clear why Sale wasn't picked earlier, because teams didn't think he would eventually start. My whole point was that you want to praise a team for developing a pen arm. 29 other teams can do so as well. Just once I want to see this team draft a player on upside and actually develop said player. Jared Mitchell is my only hope currently... Would Morel qualify here? He was developed in the system and while I've always thought highly of him, many haven't.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 04:16 PM) I never said I wanted Ozzie gone. But we're approaching a point in which I could come to that conclusion. And as to your second point, they could come out and say they fired him because his son is a loud mouth and cannot keep White Sox business private. There really is nothing Ozzie could do about it. i agree with this. As I've said before, if this is what happened Ozzie, should be in some trouble, but not fired yet. The problem with firing him for this is proving the source was Ozzie. If what rock said is true (and I don't doubt him) that Oney and Jenks were friends and went out together alot, there is sufficient enough doubt that only source could have been Ozzie.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 04:10 PM) This is a non-issue. There are no legal ramifications. They can fire Ozzie for whatever the hell they want. All they have to do is pay out the term of his contract. Again, it's true as long as they don't come out and say that they a terminating his contract due to what something his son did.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 04:05 PM) Oh yes it is. Let's get something straight...companies build cases against employees they want fired all the time. Yes, they usually do not just fire an employee with a sterling record at the workplace, but they can certainly document every misstep that that employee makes until they have enough ammunition to fire the employee. In the case of Guillen, first of all, they don't have to build a case, because the White Sox are a private organization. Illinois is not a right to work state, and so the really don't even have to fire Ozzie for cause. They are not accountable to any stockholders and they really only need to worry about their reputation amongst the players, the fans, and major league baseball. Finally, there are already so many other reasons they can fire Ozzie, they really don't even need to use this particular one. They can fire Ozzie Guillen today and say there are philosophical differences. They were going to trade him to the f***ing Marlins, for Christ's sakes... This is true. They could fire Ozzie for phiolosophical differences or any number of things HE said or did. If the Sox came out and said the are firing him for things his son said, you can bet there would be legal and contractual issues. The critical point here is that you want Ozzie gone, the Sox don't.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 30, 2010 -> 04:04 PM) i think ozzie should denounce what Oney said, not Oney. Im not asking the guy to say Oney isnt his son anymore, I just would like Ozzie to do something to the effect of releasing a statement saying he doesnt agree with Oneys decision to attack Jenks in that manner. I fully agree with this. He could even come out and say that he didn't get the info from him. He could say that Oney got the info from hanging out with Jenks.