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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Dec 6, 2010 -> 04:51 PM) Why is everybody freaking out over the bullpen right now? lol. Putz obviously was looking to get paid and I'm glad the Sox passed. It's December 6th. We've got 3 legitimate relievers right now. I'm sure will pick somebody up. As sad as our system is, we do have some arms that at least deserve a shot. Bullpens can be piecemealed together rather easily, and more importantly, cheaply. A bad bullpen will ruin a good team. Especially with a manger like Ozzie who likes to use numerous bullpen pitchers.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 3, 2010 -> 08:51 AM) To me, this is my #1 standard for the HOF. I know people like to compare guys across different eras, but you can't do that effectively. If you were to take pitchers from this generation, and compare them to guys in the 60's no guy of the 90's/00's would make it. The opposite would be true of hitters. It is all about a players relative level of dominance during their playing time. RIP Ron, he was one of the more entertaining broadcasters and his passion for the game was undeniable. I don't agree that the #1 criteria should be that a player was dominate at a position. There isn't a wing in the HOF for the best 3B, 2B or SS. It should be for the most dominate players. I personally didn't see him play until the end of his career so I don't have an opinion either way. but he should be judged on if he was a dominate player in the league not just if he was the best 3B at the time.

If the Sox don't trade a pitcher, is Jackson the closer?

QUOTE (joeynach @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 05:32 PM) Performance has a way of allowing people to get away with abrasive and annoying personalities. At work if the top performer is an asshole or just plain mean, you put up with it. If hes not performing you fire him. Same with Swisher, if the abrasive ass in clubhouse is hitting .210 and striking out like crazy, you trade him, if hes a tremendous performer, making great plays, and the glue to your pitching staff (ala AJ) then you keep him around. Its that simple. Performance trumps personality/demeanor.........im not saying I agree I'm saying we know thats how it is. I agree. We aren't talking about Ryan Howard or Albert Pujols. These guys could get away with it. Hudson doesn't fall into this category.

QUOTE (joeynach @ Nov 30, 2010 -> 02:15 PM) And Jessica Simpson has an awful voice, but....... Orlando Hudson is going to give u .280/.350/.420 and is a plus defender, thats what matters, thats all that matters when it comes to evaluating him as a player, PERIOD! I disagree. A player's demeanor in a club house can make a big difference. They can cause a real division in the clubhouse and as long as you are winning it's fine. However, when the team hits that inevitably losing streak, problems can arise. These players are together all the time and it can wear on a player mentally and emotionally. Think about your workplace, if the person at the desk next to you is always complaining or is a real jerk, it has an impact on your performance. It doesn't always make a difference if the team is always playing well. But it can make a difference which is why guys like him and Bradley are shipped around even with the talent they have.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Nov 23, 2010 -> 11:30 AM) I'll say it again and again, when was the last time the Sox actually signed a top-tier free agent? They don't get involved in a bidding wars in free agency. I refuse to believe we will be a top contender for any of the big boys except Konerko since he is one of own. The Sox MO is try to find free agent bargains, re-sign their own guys and trade for proven talent. They just don't do the big-time free agency thing, which in some respects is good because then you don't become the Cubs and get stuck with horrendous contracts. Albert Belle was probably the last one and that was a while ago.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 12:35 PM) In general though, the "Inverted V" issue typically is expected to translate more to issues with the elbow, rather than issues with the shoulder. We hear about the inverted V issues for pitchers a lot, and usually it's in association with Tommy John surgery. A fair number of people, especially hard throwers coming up, have that same issue, and this injury for Peavy still remains quite unique. That's why I asked Pt exactly which part of his mechanics he was referring to. If it's the inverted V problem...why did his shoulder go out like this, rather than something more expected like elbow trouble? While the inverted V is usually talked about with elbow problems it can lead to shoulder problems as well. The quick and large range of motion for external rotation can lead to loosening the shoulder joint capsule and lead to increased wear and tear. However you're right about the elbow because most pitcher's compensate but not bending the elbow enough and bringing the arm through that way. It leads to stress on the elbow. I don't think any of this had to do with this unique injury. It's more Peavy's penchant for dropping both down to gain movement that worries me.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 10, 2010 -> 08:28 AM) Pt, I'm trying to understand exactly where you think the injury happened here. My impression was that Peavy's mechanics were never that great, but he had survived with them for several years. This year, Cooper had him trying to improve his mechanics in the spring, and he came out and struggled. Then, he tried going back to what he was doing before, but started complaining about shoulder tightness during the couple weeks before things finally snapped. Are you saying that his injury came about due to his mechanics during the couple weeks before the injury when he was complaining about tightness, or are you saying this injury is related to his longer-term mechanics issues? As many of the previous posts have said his mechanics aren't great to begin with but they aren't too bad. Most of the research on mechanics shows that the more you drop your shoulder and straighten your elbow the more likely you are to have injury issues. the biggest problem I have with Peavy is that he likes to drop down to give the hitter a different look. Cooper tried to limit this early in the season and Peavy was nit having a good season. He went back to his old style of pitching where he would frequently do this and that's when the shoulder "tightness" issues began to show up. On the pitch where he ruptured the lat tendon he really dropped down. His injury will heal and he'll be 100%. I'm just not sure if he can pitch effectively without "dropping down." Whether it's the movement on the ball or mental, he doesn't seem to be able to pitch effectively without it, at least not with the Sox. Does this clarify it?

QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Nov 9, 2010 -> 01:46 PM) I would honestly rather not see him pitch for us until mid-way through the season in '11. Let him take all the time in the world to REALLY get back to 100%. If he's throwing off a mound in January, let him keep working his endurance and velocity up until he's Jake Peavy again. Trying to rush back will obviously only hurt him. He will be ready in time. The length of time it takes to rehab a tendon injury is well within the timeframe the team has set. Starting his throwing and getting ready for the season isn't rushing him. He will be 100% healthy. The question remains if he can pitch effectively without dropping his arm angle down too low. His shoulder angle dropped down to sidearm while his torso remained upright during the pitch where he had the injury. I have not doubt that his tendency to drop down on pitches when he is trying to fool hitters was the cause of the shoulder soreness and eventual tendon rupture.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 8, 2010 -> 05:42 PM) Merkin has a long piece on Sale's role next year. Some money bits. I love how little research the writers do on injuries. They are all reporting that Peavy's injury is in the posterior aspect of his shoulder. While the muscles is on the back the tendon actually wraps around to the front and it's an anterior shoulder problem and all of the surgery and rehab focuses on the anterior shoulder not the posterior.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Aug 6, 2010 -> 09:19 AM) Some people only believe in a few days, not four months. These are the people who are legitimately baseball stupid. Or maybe the short sightedness is for the people that only look at the first 4 months of this season not his career. He has been a decent player his whole career. He is having a bad year so far, but what is to say he won't play closer to his career averages for the rest of the season? I'm not a big Kotsay fan in the full time DH role because he is a decent unspectacular player but the unrelentless bashing is getting old. Calling people baseball stupid because their opinion is different is going to the extreme.

QUOTE (knightni @ Aug 4, 2010 -> 09:10 PM) Delgado is Bo Jackson, 17 years later? I know this was in jest, however, he didn't have a hip replacemnt. The first surgery was fairly common where the labrum was repaired and a supr was removed. These are common etiologies for hip impingement. These are relatively common and really of no long term consequence. However, the second surgery included a microfracture prcedure. This is usually done to create bleeding and improve the healing process in damaged cartilage. This is done to prolong the time before a total hip replacement is needed. He would need to show me he can swing the bat on a regular basis before I signed him to a deal. The rotation in the hip during a baseball swing is a violent motion and could be impaired by this. It isn't a huge problem if they just sign him to finish the season but I would be very cautious in dealing with this one.

QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Aug 5, 2010 -> 08:24 PM) Anyone who bothered to look at those kinds of stats, coupled with Swish’s statistical trends could tell you that 2008 was a fluke. Trying to write him off because he K’d and popped out, is the same kind of shortsighted logic that says that Thome clogs the bases. The fact is that Swish walked and hit for power from both sides of the plate. Thus, striking out comes with the territory. It’s just a damn shame that Ozzie didn’t take to him, like he’s taken to Mark Kotsay. Ozzie was on Swishers side early in the season. Everyone soon learned that he was a complete jacka** and no one on the team could stand him. Regardless of the stats, although his bad year made it worse, he had to go.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Aug 3, 2010 -> 11:40 AM) Maybe Chris sale is the next Stephen Strausberg? After watching some video clips, sale does not hold his shoulder in internal rotation (W position) near as long as Strasberg. While the mechanics aren't ideal, Sale's tendency for injury is less than that of Strasberg.

QUOTE (maggsmaggs @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 09:47 PM) Call me skeptical. Every organization has a Carlos Torres, I seriously can't imagine he is being traded for anything of consequence. Maybe as a throw-in, but he would not be a centerpiece in any deal big or small. It could be that Hudson might be traded and they wanted Torres fresher for work this weekend.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 04:27 PM) We can dream right? Werth would be the perfect fit for this team. It'd mean a full time DH in Quentin with a plus outfielder in right with a great bat. Who also hits in the postseason. The sox will never DH Quentin full time. On paper it's the best however Ozzie and other players have talked about how crazy he is in the dugout between at bats when he DHs. Theoretically, it's great but it's not practical because you would see a drop in his numbers.

QUOTE (clown baby @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 04:09 PM) Does anybody else really like the idea of keeping Morel long term? He's been praised for his defense, and that would be great to have an elite infield of Morel, Alexei, and Beckham. That would be spectacular. I've been a fan since he was drafted. The good defense with solid bat also fits into Ozzie's mentality so I would prefer they keep him.

QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 03:52 PM) This injury is unprecedented in baseball so I'll take their expected timetable with a grain of salt. EDIT: And I wasn;t the one making the case to trade for Lilly for that particular rationale. Unprecedented in baseball but not for tendon reattachment surgeries. As I've said before he should be ready by spring training. If not something catastophic will have happened. It's always a possibility but highly doubtful.

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 03:34 PM) I just happened to be watching and picturing him in a Sox uni at the exact moment of contact, it was quite an experience. I think I need to go change my pants. Would love to add some of that sweet, sweet oppo power to a team that doesn't hit a lot of balls out the other way. Put down the remote. Back away carefully and go outside. That is the sun and there is a road. You need to get out more often.

QUOTE (docsox24 @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 02:49 PM) Is he a hitter anymore? Why can't they play Dayan against a RH? Makes no sense to turn a kid into a platoon player at 21. I don't think the Sox think he isready for full time duty, whether it be because of Ks or defense or whatever, so they limiting his exposure. He was really the only viable option when they lost Teahen.

QUOTE (chunk23 @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 01:59 PM) It's really been quite the opposite. Both Haren and Oswalt have been traded for pretty terrible packages. Part of this resean is that neither pitcher was pitching really well and the commitment for another year with big money. Haren was having a poor year for the D-backs in the NL and still had time on the contract. So he may not have helped down the stretch. Oswalt was having a pretty good year but I think more GMs a hesitant to have pitchers move from the NL to AL and contribute right away. He also has another year on his deal.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 10:57 AM) didn't he shoot JFK?

It was talked about on the radio and is on MLB Trade rumors

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jul 29, 2010 -> 10:20 AM) Abreu would come cheap since he does have the contract obligation. I think he makes around $10 million next year. I wouldn't mind if we got Abreu, he does make this team better. Hell, anyone makes this team better because of Kotsay. And I didn't realize that the Angels are now in third place and at .500... Talk about a big swing since the Haren deal. I agree, this would be good move.

QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Jul 28, 2010 -> 09:21 PM) You wouldnt even last that long. You know what? Im okay being a team struggling to get out of the AL Central, Im okay with not being able to trade for top players like Cabrera, Fielder, etc. Im okay that I cant question the methods of this franchise because, well, it just feels wrong to question someone who is better than the crap we used to have, even if they do have major flaws. Im okay with having big resources being wasted on crap players. Im okay giving this team a pass on its downfalls because they won a f***ing WS, and because they did I wont ever question their decisions again, even if I see them being able to easily improve an area that would help win another one. You can always question it, good fans always should. I just disagree with your premise that they are doing a good job. However, KW and Ozzie have gotten good results with the resources allotted to them over the past 10 years. We all know the KW spent most of the resources on pitching and the offense was going to suffer. You can micromanage every move or look at the big picture. You can prefer to focus on the minors or the major league team, KW doesn't have the resources to really improve both. No one has said you can't question it, I just disagree.