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QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Jun 22, 2010 -> 10:35 AM) What I didn't realize is that I didn't say the name of the restaurant in the North End, Neptune Oyster My bad ptatc Neptune Oyster is a good place. You can't go wrong there. Legal is a chain, but don't sell it short. It still has outstanding food.

QUOTE (Chi Town Sox @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 08:20 PM) If you like Lobster/Lobster Rolls, head over to the North End and get yourself a cold Lobster Roll and a side of Fries, AMAZING I actually Google Image it sometimes to bring back memories of how good it was The North End is mostly Italian eateries. The Atlantic Fish Company or Legal Seafood on Boylston has better Lobster rolls. The lobster rolls at Fenway are pretty good as well.

QUOTE (chw42 @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 06:03 PM) Wow, we really do suck against Lilly don't we? I think we take 2 of 3. The Sox can't beat "crafty" lefties. Never could.

QUOTE (The Beast @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 03:38 PM) In certain areas, jobs in specific fields aren't doing well, virtually are non-existent or can't be found as a result of "keen competition." Obviously, I have inquired many times about people and their jobs, as well as of what to go into. Though I would rather hear some thoughts on what fields or jobs are actually growing from people instead of just researching blogs and websites online that seem to be spouting off incredible and irrelevant information to the answer that I'm seeking. While I am interested in getting into the sports industry, it is competitive and I just didn't get an internship with the seven places that I applied to. I got one interview with the Academy in Lisle but I never heard back from them, so I'm considering different options as far as "careers" go. With that being said, in your professions, particularly in the healthcare, legal, PR or business fields, what do you see as some jobs that are growing in the DuPage and Chicago land areas? Or if you aren't in those fields, what do you believe is growing and dying? There is always a demand for physical therapists. However, it is 3 more years of schools once you get your Bachelor's degree. You come out with a DPT, Doctor of Physical Therapy degree and are guaranteed a job.

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 05:13 PM) I was listening to B&B the other day and they quickly exonerated all pitchers from being on steroids because "steroids only help you with trying to mash the ball." Not true at all. Those substances helped many pitchers in that era not only recover quickly from outings, but slow the breakdown of their shoulders over the tail end of their careers. Those guys were going out every 5th day feeling much fresher than a natural player would. The largest group of abusers were relief pitchers for this exact reason. They don't slow down the breakdown of tissue though. It will increase the ability to workout but will damage other tissue due to this abnormal increase in strength ratio. McGwires constant tendonitis and plantar fasciitis were prime examples. Don't listen to everything B&B say. They are entertaining but not usually factual. I've e-mailed Bernstein a few times and if you disagree with his point he'll send a snide remark and ignore you. He always sticks to his high horse performance to put people down. He is fairly knowledable but only listens when it's agrees with his views.

Taking the family to Alaska for two weeks.

QUOTE (He_Gawn @ Jun 21, 2010 -> 08:15 AM) Arguing over a pitchers arm motion is pointless because throwing a baseball is not a regular body motion. So really any pitcher could be gone in five years. An evolution biologist will argue your first statement. As bipedal beings we are designed to walk on two legs and use our arms for overhead activities. The bolded is true. However, there are certain biomechanical principles which will decrease the stress on the upper extremity that will decrease the possibility of this happening.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 11:19 PM) He also said Strasburgs was much, much worse. Like Jeff said, you really could say that to most prospects even with the "perfect mechanics" right Mark Prior? Mark Prior had a similar motion. His mechanics were perfect as are Sale's for the philosophy they were taught. This is why Prior's problems were so ambiguous. He didn't have a specific injury. His shoulder just got loose and was sore and painful all the time. I'm not saying Sale will definately get injured soon and he won't have a career. Some pitchers can pitch like this without significant problems. Nothing is sure about the picting motion, poroved by the vast number of theories and philiosophies out there. Sale's motion probably adds velocity and sipn to his pitches, so he may need it. I am saying the probability of injury with that motion is higher due to the stress at the shoulder. It may mainifest itself at the elbow but the shoulder is more likely.

QUOTE (knightni @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 10:46 PM) So, does this mean then, that they will want to work on his delivery? Many pitchers were taught this as kids. Especially on the West Coast where Tom House is based now. His philosophy has really permeated the baseball culture out there. This is an offshoot of his theories. This is a very difficulty thing to change in the biomechanics. It's not just a tweak it's a major overhaul. They would need to change the position of his forearm just before the cocking phase of his motion. This could change everything from breaking ball rotation, the velocity of his fastball, to the 3/4 delivery he has. My guess is they may try to change it a bit but they will mostly leave it alone because he learned it as a kid and he will be a totally different pitcher without it.

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jun 14, 2010 -> 11:15 PM) This thread reminds me of the M*A*S*H* episode when Hawkeye and Trapper invented a doctor, Captain Tuttle, just to mess with Frank and Hot Lips. What? Tuttle wasn't invented. He died in a mine field bring help to orphans!

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 8, 2010 -> 09:23 AM) Project Prospect has a ton of details on Sale, and concludes that they're more worried about his mechanics than impressed by his numbers. They think long term he winds up a closer. I'm extremely impressed with this analysis. The late forearm turn over as they call it, is the delayed external rotation in a biomechanical model. It put a great deal of stress on the shoulder as the excessive internal rotation forces the humeral head posterior in the shoulder and the subsequent external rotation needed for pitching forces the humeral head anterior. This extra bit of translation causes a gradual stretching of the shoulder joint and eventually loosens the shoulder. This in turn causes increased wear on the shoulder stabilizers such as the labrum, rotator cuff and ligaments. His is not a bad a Strasburg's whose external rotation is further delayed.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 20, 2010 -> 10:42 AM) Exactly. Enjoy the good times or you are missing the point of watching the games in the first place. Does anyone enjoy watching baseball for the sake of the game? I know I still really enjoy just watching a game because it's still the best sport out there. I guess the other question would be can you enjoy a game even if the Sox lose? If it's a well played game it still can be fun to watch.

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 11:28 PM) Remind me how much we're paying you to be here? I've got it from a very reliable source that the check is in the mail.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 18, 2010 -> 05:05 PM) If he's going to pitch, I assume that means this has more to do with general soreness and a little fluid associated with a non serious injury. Fluid just means inflammation. I'm sure they are treating it with NSAIDS and ultrasound and the extra day or so is to let the meds take effect. Meds like ibuprofen are only pain killers until they have been in your system on a consistent basis for 5 days or so. This is probably the reason for the extra time to allow the anti-inflammatory effect to kick in. Sorry for the quick and inconsistent post. I'm in Boston for a convention and can't get to a computer often. Just getting back from Fenway for the Red Sox-Dodgers game. I saw two young pitchers that got really hit around. The score was 10-6 and neither pitcher made it through the 6th.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 17, 2010 -> 11:09 AM) The problem is, the Rangers method is kind of stupid, since the development would have to start at a far younger age to ensure guys muscles are ready to handle it all. Might work a little easier with the high school guys, but college players have to go through quite the transformation and obviously at the very least it needs to be started from the low-minors onward. I think removing guys because of the sake of a pitch count is dumb, you have to watch for things like stress innings, mechanics, etc, but you also have to do what you can to ensure your guys aren't beat up. The reality is these guys make a lot more money than they did in the past so you are benefited by doing what you can to try to reduce the chances of an injury. In the old days, they didn't make tens of millions of dollars so if a guy got hurt, a team didn't have to worry about all of the money it had sank away and how it had ruined there budget. This is wrong due to the factors you mentioned earlier. The pitchers have always been conditioned to throw a certain number of pitches. Also, many of the pitchers cannot handle that type of workload and you will injure them. As I stated earlier they haven't been weeded out in the minors and with the money they make the teams don't want to take that chance and I don't blame them. It's just like running. Some people can log hundred of miles a week without injury and other will get injured with 20 miles per week.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 11:43 PM) How did the pitchers in the old days throw so many pitches and have long careers? Seems like the modern starting pitcher is very brittle. In the old days pitchers threw alot more pitches and innings in the minor leagues. There were also fewer MLB and many MiLB teams. If a pitcher was going to blow out his arm he did it in the minors and we never heard of them. The ones who couldn't handle the workload were weeded out before the majors.

QUOTE (SoxFan562004 @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 09:49 PM) very good to hear, maybe Ptac can add a little to what the MRI could show and what further tests might be done if it continues... to me the most ridiculous thing was having him warm up so quickly at home a few weeks back, Hawk and Stone said it was the quickest they saw a SP ever warm up, should have started Pena for an inning or two if necessary MRI basically stands for "more radiographic income" They really don't show much except significant muscle, cartilage or ligament tears. In the case of the shoulder it's the rotator cuff, labrum or capsule respectively. This works by contrasting fluid against tissue in the area. If it doesn't show anything, this there is no significant tear but it doesn't mean there is nothing wrong.

QUOTE (earthshiner @ Jun 16, 2010 -> 01:42 AM) I'd give it to Junior. No one was close to having all 5 tools like him. When he was with the mariners, no one the game could top his overall skill set I'll still give it to Bonds, Griffey couldn't run like him. With the injuries Griffey had Bonds is the clear winner for a career.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jun 14, 2010 -> 03:43 PM) Oh, I also love watching Juan Uribe bat. Every time I watch a game at San Fran, it amazes me how Bonds hit so many home runs there. That field is just mammoth. I don't care if he was on all the steroids in the world....lots of our players have been juiced up, and no one else could hit it out to right center there. Mostly, because he was the most gifted baseball player in the last few decades. There was no one better in the late 80's-90's. Great great ballplayer, piece of crap as a person. I don't think Ive met a worse one, although Gary Sheffield is right there with him.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 09:30 PM) Who? Yankee fans? I don't recall anything of any substance that's ever linked Pedro to steroids. There were rumors going around, nothing ever substantiated. Mostly, in house, similar to the Clemens ones at the time.

QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 07:55 PM) Pedro did his thing at the peak of the steroid era. Pedro's '98-2000 > Ubaldo's '10 Many people think he was benefitting from taking them as well. that is why he had the great years in the "steriod era."

QUOTE (Kalapse @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 04:46 PM) Even MORE odd: just looked up the numbers and Castro is 3 for 7 with a HR lifetime vs Duke (AJ's 1 for 3). Also: this year at Indy lefties hit .274 off Lincoln and righties hit .156. My guess: AJ's a little sore after being hit in back to back games and Ozzie's giving him an extra day to recoup. Maybe he's sore from actually throwing two runners out in the same game.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 03:03 PM) He has some of the best pure stuff ever. But right now Jimenez is putting up the single greatest season in baseball history (from a pitching perspective, imo). After watching the last game, I'm still not crazy about his mechanics. It will be interesting to see how his shoulder holds up over the next few years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 01:27 PM) Thanks very much for the explanation. That is very interesting and I respect your professional opinion that he could have done some things to maybe prevent the severity of it. I also like the fact you said he's far from alone in ignoring the problem cause at times the back feels better. It's a shame. Why do you think my friend at 30 needed simple back surgery and he wound up using a cane? Was the doc a butcher or do things happen? Sorry, just had a person with a seizure in the lobby. Some injuries do not respond to rehab well. Crede's case was one of slowly worsening due to cumulative variables. These usually respond very well with rehab. If it's a traumatic injury these don't always go as well. No back surgeries are simple. They need to cut through many layers of muscle, fascia and bone to get to the disc. The variables with the recovery mostly depnd on how long a nerve was compressed and the eventual damage to the nerve. Just because he is using a cane now doesn't mean he always will. Nerves heal for up to 18 months after the compression is released. So there is always hope if he continues to do the wrok necessary. This is where most people fail. There is always the possiblity that the surgeon messed up. It doesn't happen often but it does.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jun 15, 2010 -> 01:02 PM) OK, educate me some more on this. Are you saying Joe specifically contributed to his own injury? What am I missing here? I never read anything like Joe could have prevented his problems. I always thought as a baseball player who takes a zillion swings a day in the cages and bends over to field grounder after ground, s*** happens to the back. You said "it was his fault he had a back injury." I find that a little harsh. If you are a medical professioal you are blaming the patient for incurring an injury? WTF? And I didn't know fathom was kidding. It sounded like a backhanded rip of Joe and it wasn't in green. I see no problem defending these guys even on a meaningless in the big scheme of things message board. I have no problem with defending the players from 05. I for one didn't ever think I would see a World Series title from the Sox having been a fan since the 70's. I will cherish it always. Crede was and is one of my favorite players to watch due to his defense. That is one reason I was so disappointed in the way he handled his back problems. He began to have back problems and by poor advice from someone (runmor was his agent but that is not substantiated) went outside the organization and was treated by other health care professionals. The pain decreased but he did not take care of the cause of the problem. This is common in everyone's back problems. They hurt the pain decreases and they slack off in the rehab. The pain returns and the cycle is repeated until a major injury results. This is the most common scenario and these are the majority of patients I see. It keeps me in practice but it is a frustrating scenario to know that most of these problems could have been prevented. I don't expect the everyday person off the street to devote their lives to preventing the severe back injuries. However, as you stated, the baseball player is susceptible to these and as soon as his back started to bother him, he should have been devoted to preventing the problem from worsening. As a professional whose superb play is based on physical health I was hoping for more. All this being said, Crede is not the only ballplayer who falls in this scenario. Many others have. So I don't necessarily blame him for it but I am dissappointed in the way he handled it.