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QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Jul 9, 2008 -> 11:20 AM) I do not get some of you guys. If you really cannot understand how somebody could be upset when a person he worked with for 3 1/2 years and became close friends with is suddenly and somewhat surprisingly let go then you must have never established any close friendships in your lives. Jose is a professional and he will get over it, but to be upset over it is a natural initial reaction. I think sometimes people forget these players are humans and have actual feelings. I mean some people on here were seriously depressed when Rowand was traded and they never even met the guy. i couldn't agree more. Relationships on baseball teams go very deep. These guys travel together go out to dinner together almost every night on the road. The are together all of the time. While someone compared it to having a co-worker laid off, that is a fair example but it goes much deeper because of all of the time the spend together even after work. Baseball is a game of routines before during and after games. I'm not saying it should be an excuse for a season or multiple starts but I can see it for a day or that start. He needs to put it behind him now.

QUOTE (bighurt4life @ Jul 8, 2008 -> 08:09 PM) To get him PK or Thome would have to be part of the deal and there's no way the braves would take on either of those contracts PK's contract is very reasonable. He is signed for 12 mil per year. If he shows he is heathy he would be a good pickup depending on what else we offer Atlanta. Of course PK is a 10/5 guy so KW couldn't do it without permission.

QUOTE (juddling @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 01:34 PM) Michael Barret Maybe it's payback for the fight he started with AJ...maybe it's just one of those things. Looks like it caught him in the forehead not in the nose so he should be ok Had a soccer player one time collide heads with another player. It was his forehead and when I went to palpate it, it moved like when you push on a ballon. It was one of the more creepy injuries, I've felt. The guy ended up getting a metal screen implanted in his forehead because the bone shattered into too many pieces. He also walked a little crooked after the injury. (just kidding about the last part)

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 04:51 PM) I've feared all day of logging on and seeing title "Bobby Jenks out for season". When I saw the title of this thread, my heart dropped for a second. The reports I've heard say it's near his left scapula. This is a pretty odd injury, if they are truthful. The strain shouldn't take more than a few days to resolve itself.

QUOTE (kyyle23 @ Jul 3, 2008 -> 03:14 PM) Hawk was nothing but respectful of Steve Stone when they were paired together last year. He didnt disagree with him, they shared many stories(even stuff Hawk hadnt talked much about before), and he genuinely appreciated what Stone had to offer. Im not advocating that DJ should be let go or reassigned because I do like him, but I dont think that Hawk and Stone would present an ego war problem That was because it was temporary and on the air. Maybe Hawk has mellowed with age but the behind the scenes issues with Paciorek has always lead me to believe he could not have another strong personality in the booth with him for an extended period of time. And they were a very good pair together.

I'm not sure if there is enough room in a booth for both egos of Hawk and Stone. It should be interesting to see how long it lasts,if it happens. Singleton does a very good job in the studio. It's where he belongs with prepared material at his own pace. He was always a little off beat and slow when reacting to plays on the field. I enjoy Farmer's stories as well as the banter between him and Stone. I will miss the pair. It is much better than what Hawk and stone will be.

QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 04:35 PM) One. Last. Time. ALEXEI People just don't respect his Russian heritage.

QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 09:39 AM) Is Ozzie's plan of attack automatically to always sit back and hope for a home run, no matter who is up? This situation has come up so many times recently and it baffles me why we aren't doing some fundamental things. Last night, I think it was 6th inning - JD up with 1st and 2nd nobody out - and then GIDPs. There has to be a better plan of attack for this situation with our atrocious RISP batting average. I think Ozzie is the Venezuelan Earl Weaver. Hopefully we can win as much as they did in their prime.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 2, 2008 -> 02:33 PM) I'd rather C.C. stay on the Indians the rest of the year. It would be nice for him to be able to face the Tigers/Twins the rest of the way, and I also don't want to see him end up on the Cubs. Agreed. He helps us out much more by pitching in our division against Detroit and Min.

QUOTE (chimpy2121 @ Jun 24, 2008 -> 02:49 PM) I think the number is 11.7 now that the NCAA nixed baseball again. Before this last season they also put in a rule where they have to take classes in the spring now (hah) and transfers have to sit out a year now. Another way college baseball gets screwed is with the new NCAA graduation rate rules. If a program (any college program) does graduate the athletes at a certain rate they lose scholarships. With the number of baseball players leaving after their jumior year, the programs get penalized as these athletes have not graduated. This is another reason "partial" scholarships are the norm for college baseball.

QUOTE (TCQ @ Jun 25, 2008 -> 08:41 AM) That he pitched too much thing is BS, back in the good old days there were no relievers, a starting pitcher could easily throw three hundred innings a year. Pitchers today are babied too much, and im not buying that that is why he now is the highest paid batting practice pitcher. This is wrong. It's not that pitchers are babied, it's that most of these guys shouldn't be in the majors. Back in the good old days as you put it, the pitchers whose arms couldn't handle the workload were sed up in the minors and were out of baseball. With the increased number of teams there is a need for more pitchers so you have to take it easier on arms that really shouldn't be here. they should throw more and should throw more innings and many could handle it but many could not so with the money invested in these pitchers you have no choice but to be careful with pitchers who back in the good old days would have been out of the game before they saw the majors.

QUOTE (quickman @ Jun 19, 2008 -> 03:26 PM) I have a very good business friend of mine who is a partial owner of the seattle mariners. He recently retired from Microsoft and is now the president of the Gates foundation. That said, I have been informed on several occasions that ichiro is a lifer in seattle. He will not be traded nor does he want to be traded. He has roots and extended family in seattle. Now that said things may change, but from my information ichiro stays in seattle. friends of mine in the organization say the same thing. As long as he wants to be there he is the face of the organization.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 19, 2008 -> 10:52 AM) You're so going to disappear under an Obama presidency... And those that don't disappear will be taxed to death, then disappear

I thought I read somewhere is was Venezuela

QUOTE (Pants Rowland @ Jun 18, 2008 -> 12:28 PM) I would not mind having Alexei roam the field, virtually playing every day but in different spots. He seems really versatile and does not have the superstar mentality where he needs to play in one spot only. I would love to see him rotate between CF, 2B and SS the rest of the year. Meanwhile, Swisher, Dye, Konerko and Thome could rotate between RF, DH, and 1B. Versus lefties you have Konerko at 1B, Swish in RF, and Dye DH. Versus righties, you have Swish at 1B, Dye in RF, and Thome at DH. Your bench is much stronger with some combination of Alexei, Ozuna, Anderson, Durham and Konerko/Thome available and sets up tougher decisions for the opposing managers late in games. Your defense is probably better since with Durham added to the lineup you can play Anderson more in CF, especially versus lefties and not worry about the offensive dropoff too much. I know many will say you can't pay for all that power to sit on the bench, but with their age and injuries, it might be best for Konerko and Thome (and Dye for that matter) to stay fresh and be ready for more playing time come September/October. Most of this makes sense except that Konerko hits righties better than lefties, if I recall correctly. This would negate the advantage of having him in that platoon. That was part of the reason we struggled against lefties last year. Some of our RH hit RHP better.

This makes what he did pretty amazing. The ACL is primarily responsible for rotational stability in the knee. If he has a ruptured ACL it 's got to feel like slipping on ice during his follow through. It's amazing he can be consistent with that and that's not including the pain associated with the stress fracture.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox15 @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 09:48 PM) I am totally with you dude. I am hoping this is just a prelude to some of the havoc we wreak on the Northside of town this weekend. I like the Yamamoto quote in the sig.

QUOTE (29andPoplar @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 12:43 PM) Ptatc, a question for you. It says it's a Grade One sprain of the oblique. Can you explain what the grade comment means in this situation? Grades are defined by the amount of tissue injury and symptoms. Grade I minimal tissue tearing, no defect, inflammation, minimal edema, only minimal motion impairment. Grade II moderate (up to half of the fibers) tissue tearing, small palpable defect, edema, blood may be present, moderate motion limitation Grade III severe tissue tearing (up to complete rupture), significant palpable defect, severe edema, significant decrease in motion. If his is a grade one it should be 3 weeks at the most. The problem is that the left (internal or external) oblique is one of the major muscle which rotates your trunk to the left. This is significant for a right handed hitter. PS: It should be strain not sprain. Strains are muscles, sprains are ligaments, technically.

According to the article on www.chicagopsorts.com by gonzalez, the injury is an oblique strain not a rib strain. These are two vastly different injuries. The oblique injury will not take as long to heal as the rib injury.

QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Jun 17, 2008 -> 11:06 AM) I think he lost his super magical power when he left the Indians. "Remember what ol' Jack Burton always says at a time like that: "Have ya paid your dues, Jack?" "Yessir, the check is in the mail." spoken from the Pork Chop Express. I love that movie. On the DVD it has different endings. I like the one where he rams the camaro off the pier with the Pork Chop Express!!!!!

QUOTE (watchtower41 @ Jun 16, 2008 -> 01:42 PM) From some of the articles I am reading, this seems like its gonna be a lot longer than a simple 15 day stint for Paulie, but reading through this thread it seems like most people are taking it for granted that it will only be 15 days.... Any rhyme or reason to the projections? Usually, significant rib muscle strains keep hitters out for longer than 15 days. it just depends on the severity. It's impossible to swing a bat without pain with this injury. The muscles are very short, thick and multidirectional all factors contibuting to the length of time it takes for it to heal.

QUOTE (lostfan @ Jun 13, 2008 -> 08:56 AM) In this day and age, booing somebody for (gasp) wanting to take another 20 million dollars to play elsewhere is naive, and borderline stupid actually. I agree. They should be able to get whatever they can. I don't begrudge any player for this. I'm just saying from working at the different ballparks fans tend to feel betrayed by the perception of greed and boo these players. That's why Thome gets booed in cleveland. He comes off as a good guy (which he is) but then leaves Cleveland for more money.

QUOTE (BearSox @ Jun 12, 2008 -> 09:20 PM) wow, the whole organization had great pitching today... all of the minor league affiliates and the White Sox gave up a total of 9 runs. However, all of them combined only scored 8 runs. We need some hitters! That can't be right. Our minor league system sucks and we have zero talent in it.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jun 13, 2008 -> 01:53 AM) Actually, I'd say Cleveland is a weird bunch...they booed Jim f***ing Thome. The only reason I'd ever boo Thome is if it were late in a season, he were on the Indians/Tigers/Twins/any other team preventing the Sox from a playoff appearance, and he had a clutch hit. It's not as if he did an inhumane thing; he took a much, much more lucrative offer from the Philadelphia Phillies rather than resigning with an Indians club that was in the middle of a rebuilding period, and then accepted a trade to the White Sox. He didn't ask to go to the White Sox, he just said he'd be OK with it. When the Sox traded Garland to Los Angeles, I'm sure he got a standing ovation for his previous experience with the Sox. I'd say, in that regard, the Sox are like the norm. Boo current players who suck (or any other number of circumstances), but if they did something very good for the team at one point in time or another or just left the team on good terms, they'll cheer them when they come back. If Scott Podsednik put on a Sox jersey tomorrow, I'd boo him out of town, but with a Rockies jersey, I'd cheer my ass off. Jim left the team on his own for more money. That will get alot of players boooed. Most fans don't like players who seem greedy and leave. It's mostly just Sox fans who blame management when guys like Ordonez leave for more money. Most fans on other teams blame the player. Like someone said earlier Sox fans are a fickle bunch. I for one don't boo anyone who is working thier rear off. I my boo a bad play but not the player everytime.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jun 12, 2008 -> 01:46 PM) Well, let's think about the OF situation next year. Assume Ozuna and Uribe are gone, that creates a slot for Getz, and presumably we still need 1 more backup infielder. In the OF...well, the big elder 3 of Konerko, Thome, and Dye matter here. If one of them is moved, then presumably Anderson slides back in to the full time starting role, and then we're left with Owens and Cook as 2 obvious options for the backup OF role. If we were to only carry an 11 man pitching staff next year to start the season, that would create room for 2 backup IF's and 2 backup OF's. i wouldn't assume Ozuna is gone. I think both Ozzie and KW like what he brings to the team. However, I think you're right and Uribe is gone and Getz could take his place.