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QUOTE(Beltin @ Mar 18, 2007 -> 08:02 AM) Was the Bill Simas inning against Cleveland in 1996 (I think that was the season although it could have been 1997)? Sox again clinging to a 4-2 lead and were in the midst of winning like 22 out of 24 games or something to that effect? I seem to remember Simas coming up huge and striking out one or two of their most feared hitters. I could swear Mr. Thome was one of them as well. FWIW, I recall that as the greatest regular season Sox run I had witnessed since the second half of 1983. i remember that inning. It was when the Indians were playing well. It was in Cleveland I believe. The bases were loaded with no one out and he got out of it with no runs. That was amazing. Has to be up there with the best inning ever. Cleveland had a great offense at the time.

QUOTE(shoota @ Mar 16, 2007 -> 12:30 AM) It's acceptable for person X to error because persons Y and Z errored also? It's not an error because what the coach says goes. You from the outside looking in may disagree with him but a coach is in charge of the team, period. Players and fans do not run the team. If you don't do what the caoch expects you deserve to be in the doghouse.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Mar 15, 2007 -> 03:55 PM) David Riske would have been a class A free agent last year I'm told. All of those guys should be squarely in teh A category. Link. Thanks

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 15, 2007 -> 02:05 PM) I'm just going to throw this out to everyone -- what do you believe wouldl happen if our record this season is -- as BP predicted -- 72 - 90? It'd just be interesting to me because I don't believe there's any question our payroll would drop. I'm not talking a substantial decrease, either. Just maybe 10-15 million. Not enough to cry poor, but enough to completely alter our offseason. Is Iguchi resigned? Is Ichiro pursued? I know the posts I've made concerning a run at Ichiro have assumed the payroll remains over 100 million. What about Crede? Hell, he may be traded even with a World Series victory. Iguchi may be re-signed depending on what other teams offer. No way we sign Ichiro. I don't see KW tying up 1/5 of the payroll to one player. As to your points in the previous post. I read some info about how the compensation picks changed with the new CBA. How will that effect players such as MB and JD vs. Iguchi?

QUOTE(witesoxfan @ Mar 15, 2007 -> 01:17 AM) and Thomas actually had to go through like a crazy treatment where I think they just made like a million microfractures in his foot and it healed up. I'm hoping ptact can help me on this one, as I recall him talking about in not that long ago. Thomas actually wasn't healthy and won't be. If you look at his numbers he either hits an HR or a single because he can't run. His doubles and runs scored are a fraction of what they should be due to inability to run. He has just modified his game to be one dimensional. Earlier he wasn't willing to do this and it was understandable. Luckily for him that one dimension is outstanding and will keep him in the game. As for his treatment there was alot of different interventions done to the navicular bone in his foot and it seems to have calmed down the pain enough that he can hit. Although pain killing injections can do wonders.

QUOTE(Soxbadger @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 02:17 PM) How long on this board was "Trade Jon Garland" every other topic because he was not even a worthwhile starter. Last I checked Floyd hasnt pitched in 1 meaningful game for the White Sox, so who cares about ST stats? Maybe he will be great, maybe he wont be. But to throw in the towel at this point is crazy. But....But... he sucked in Philly in 100 innings, so can't be good.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 01:28 PM) Because some of our fans give up on players so damn early and it's just a reminder of that fact that some players do indeed take time to develop. Thank You

QUOTE(Heads22 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 01:24 PM) http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/news/press...sp&c_id=cws I was impressed with what I saw of Phillips. He will be in the majors. Maybe only as a 2nd lefty out of the pen but I think he will be better than that.

QUOTE(Rowand44 @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 12:31 PM) Let me clarify my point: If Ozzie doesn't like you, you basically don't have a fair shake, I hate to say it but it's the truth. A lot of these players that Ozzie seemingly doesn't like are young players as he obviously has 0 patience. Brian and Brandon rubbed Ozzie the wrong way and one is in Texas while the other has basically been given up on after what...400 ab's? Ridiculous. I agree but isn't this pretty much true for most manager's and coaches. If they don't like your work habits, attitude, tlaent or whatever you aren't going to play. This isn't only Ozzie. He seems to give most players a shot before he goes this route. It's up to the player to change what the manager perceives as " the problem." The problem I would have is if Ozzie doesn't communicate to the player what the problem is. But he seems to do that even if people don't always agree with the method. He is the manager, they are the players. Until he is no longer the manager they need to do what he thinks is best.

QUOTE(Controlled Chaos @ Mar 14, 2007 -> 10:57 AM) They weren't established veterans with years of service, but they were in fact the established starters at their respective positions. They didn't have to win the job. So because Ozzie didn't come to the Sox his first year as a manager, and dump the third basemen the team had been grooming and the shortstop they acquired, is your argument that he likes young players??? I'm not on either side in this "young player" arguement, but this is kind of a stretch. My only arugment is Brian should be the starting CF. I can give a s*** if he is young old or whatever. I don't know Ozzies reasons so I won't pretend to, but if BA is in the minors this season...our D is in trouble. Weren't alot of people trying to trade Crede because he just wouldn't hit enough? Alot of people were also skeptical that Uribe could be an everyday player because of his wold and inconsistent offense. Also with Garland while having logged MLB innings was trying to be pushed out because he could make it past the 5 or 6th inning under Manuel. Guillen stuck with these guy when alot of people wanted to run them out of town. We have short memories here if people don't remember this. These players were succeessful because Guillen stuck with them for whatever reason. These players were not rookies but were all young unproven players when Guillen took over.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 13, 2007 -> 03:57 PM) Ian, The only issue that I have with Mack in center today, is that you have 2 kids fighting for a job and you want to give them the best opportunity for success. Having someone play a position that they are not comfortable at with 2 contact pitchers on the mound is not the best for success. Its not a big deal in the long run, but you just want to evaluate it with the best light. Maybe Ozzie wants to see how mentally tough the pitchers are to pitch over mistakes made by fielders. Sometimes this can be a good mark for a pitchers. Do they hang their head? Do they glare at the feilder. Do they fall apart and give up a big inning>

QUOTE(Kid Gleason @ Mar 12, 2007 -> 09:48 AM) Well history does show us that comedians are rarely "funny" in real life, and are often the most tragic of people. Lou Costello and Bud Abbott had more than their fare share of demons (I believe it was Bud that was reknowned for his HUGE Porn collection), as have almost all of the big guys. Chris Farley was an absolutely funny guy in college. I used to go out drinking with him. He was a great guy. I heard the drugs and such changed him when he hit it big but I really enjoyed hanging arounmd with th guy.

QUOTE(whitesoxfan101 @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 10:40 AM) Well of course. People are still under the false premise that a .350 OBP guy who goes 50 for 65 in steals is better than a .370 OBP guy (which Erstad isn't obviously, but i'm making a seperate debate) who goes 18 for 20 in steals, when in reality guy #2 is much better. Many people still believe it because it has a valid point. Statistically in the Bill James element it doesn't. But what it does take into effect is the pitcher's mind set. Players with speed on first base bother pitchers. MB commented on this earlier in the spring. During one of his first outings there were people on base and he said it was distracting him and making him work harder. This is the advantage. It won't show in stats so you won't agree but if a pitcher needs to work harder it will effect them later in the game. The player who steals may not score more often but I believe it effects the pitcher and is an advantage over the game and over a season. QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 9, 2007 -> 10:58 AM) Personally, I believe dealing Logan is a mistake. He has shown immense talent in the minors and could be a fixture in our bullpen for many years. If Williams is intent on trading several AAA players (Rogowski/Tracey), why not search for a similar to situation to ours where a player (CF) is blocked? If it doesn't work out, who cares? I'd rather take this risk than preventing Anderson from playing another season because Rowand is back. And everyone here knows Rowand will be given ALL the time to hit out of slumps. I agree. Although, I've been impressed so far with Phillips. I think he may make a decent back of the rotation guy or a reliever. I think adds to the potential depth of the lefty pitcher pool for the bullpen if nothing else.

QUOTE(Palehosefan @ Mar 8, 2007 -> 12:46 PM) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/news/...12steroids.html I was really high on Valido when we drafted him, and thought for sure we had drafted our future SS. But the steroid case, and subsequent injury have turned me completely off of him. Would be great to see him come back with an assumed steroid free good year and retake his place as our best infield prospect. I guess I want to see him prove that he can play without help. He's still young enough to turn it around. I would not let the steriods issue cloud your view of him. It is very common to get positive tests from over the counter supplements. This is why you get second chances. The kids in the minors take something that their buddy said helped them to get an advantage with weight lifting or something. Even though you warn them not to take anything that isn't on the MLB cleared list, they do it anyway. If his performance does't improve, that's a different story. Give him another chance.

QUOTE(Hideaway Lights @ Mar 8, 2007 -> 01:00 PM) I like the idea of having three starting vets and a couple of kids that we develop, I just like Mark in there more than Vaz. Hopefully we'll find a way to get Mark done, but I don't think so. Your basic premise is correct. I would rather have MB than JV. But there is no way MB will sign for anything less than double the value of that deal. That would be about 5/14mil or so. He''ll get it but I would not lock a pitcher up for that long. It's a good deal for the flexibility in the pitching staff as others have stated. We keep him as a veteran innings eater if the kids have problems. If the kids do well, it's an easily tradable contract.

QUOTE(FlaCWS @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 07:58 PM) Maybe I'm totally blind but I haven't seen Owens' name in the box score the past couple of games. I ask because Anderson continues to hit like crap and, while I'll probably get slammed for this, I truly believe Owens is the better long-term solution in CF. I realize Anderson has only had one year and now a spring, and I'm not totally ready to give up on him, but I am just not that impressed. Yes he's a great glove but he's been a total liability at the plate. Owens looks like a guy who could hit for a good average by slapping the ball around and getting a bunch of hits on his speed alone. Besides that, he could be a leadoff hitter and basestealing threat a la Podsednick in '05 - and as a bonus could mean we don't have to rely on Scotty anymore (letting Erstad keep the seat warm for Sweeney in '08). Even if we want to put Erstad in CF and Jerry in LF, I'd love to see him win the roster spot over Brian. Thoughts? (ducks)... Nooooo. Not a guy with speed. Speed is useless. Ozzie will mismanage him. He'll only play because Ozzie loves speed!!!!!

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 06:51 PM) How exactly did Williams use all available information before trading for Floyd? Because, when I look at his minor league numbers, I don't see anything of value. I completely agree that using everything -- from statistics to scouting -- should be considered for player evaluation. However, when one of those options seem to portray Floyd as an enigma; now you're counting on your scouts to notice something that nearly everything quantifiable suggests doesn't exist. There should be some level of agreement between the two factions. Such as the scouts noticing Floyd has a great arm, and the numbers -- at some point in his past -- indicating as much. Sure, such a risk is acceptable when signing someone to one year deal; but it shouldn't be when attempting to collect the largest cache of talent for a departing starter. No doubt it was 'gutsy' acquiring Floyd when perhaps an additional arm, or another player more projectable, could have been included. I've said before, I believe if Fabio Castro were included in the deal Philadelphia would have approved it. His upside is, at the least, equal to Floyd. At worst, he replaces Logan in our bullpen. If Floyd is unable to win the 5th starters position this spring, that'll be enough evidence to prove acquiring him was a mistake. I'm almost certain that Williams' plan after the Garcia deal didn't revolve around Floyd pitching in AAA, perhaps replacing an injured/ineffecitve starter in 2007, only to ultimately be in the bullpen for his White Sox career. This is where I could see him heading if his spring training doesn't end well. I think the target of that deal was Gio. People still seem to think KW went after Floyd and Gio got thrown in. I think it was the other way around. So for the secondary pitcher in the deal it is worth the chance. Yes, Floyd is closer to contributing but is not the best pitcher in the deal. There is no way I take Fabio Castro. He will be nothing more than a decent middle reliever. He have plenty of options for relief in that role. He went for a starter with unrealized talent. Could be big could be a bust. This is type of player many people think we should draft. Big talent/big risk. He is 24,he was worth the risk. Even if he is in AAA for awhile, the payoff could be worth it.

QUOTE(Flash Tizzle @ Mar 7, 2007 -> 12:06 PM) This is my belief -- he's refering to the methods used to evaluate players. By suggesting he does things differently, he's refering to scouting more than statistical data. Why else would Floyd be on this ballclub, afterall? KW has stated this before. While he looks at the stats he believe more in what he and his MLB scouts see. He his evaluations aren't driven by pure statistical data. He brought this up in regards to Iguchi when they signed him. The comments were (paraphasing here) "We were worried about signing him because nobody saw him live. We thought we saw enough on video to think it is a good signing." This is one reason I like KW. Use all of the information available. Don't get caught up in only one aspect of evaluation. He isn't always right, nobody is. But he also make gutsy moves which you need to do to win. It's awfully difficult to win being conservative.

QUOTE(dasox24 @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 09:17 PM) Wow, you have no idea how happy you made me just now to see a thread entitled "Draft Plans/Needs." I absolutely love the MLB Draft. I guess it's probably b/c I'm such a "minor league" guy, and the draft is what restocks the system. As for this years draft, look for a change in philosophy regarding drafting pitchers. I think you'll see us take guys that have great stuff, but need some work. The past few years we've taken some solid pitchers like Broadway and McCulloch, but passed on the guys with the great arms. The positions mentioned above (C, middle IF) are extremely thin, but you won't see us draft for need. You draft best available player. Now, if the best available player at our spot is a Catcher or SS or 2B, then that would be fantastic. But, don't be surprised to see us take an OF or 3B, which while they aren't needs for the big league club, there are so many spots in the minors that you can find a great player playing time. Hell, whoever we draft will probably be used in a trade at some point anyway, lol... As for specific players, I have no idea about anyone that will be in this year's draft since it's only the start of baseball season. However, as June approaches, you'll be seeing plenty of stuff on BA.com and MLB.com I agree. I think the Sox got burned with guys like Jason Stumm. High schoolers with great arms but who wear out in pro ball. This made them gun shy. It will be interesting to see. They have upper level pitching depth with the newly acquired arms so I wouldn't be surprised to see them take some chances with High risk/high reward players.

QUOTE(southsideirish71 @ Mar 6, 2007 -> 05:11 PM) How does his love afair with Vaz cost us bmac. I understand the Young part, because he was traded for him. But bmac. As much as Javy frustrated me with his 6th inning crap last year, this is an awsome signing. The frustrating thing, is he would completely own a team, and then would unravel. The talent is obviously there, he just needs to either keep his mechanics in check past the 5th inning, or his mind in check as far as focus. If he can learn either of those two he can be a steal. This is the same concern many people had with Garland. People wanted him traded because he couldn't go deep in games. May be the Sox figure they can help JV with this also. For the price and length of contract, it is a great deal for the sox. I know most stat heads, believe wins are useless for pitcher's stats but I go back to my usual point. Until the league put the teams with the best stats in the playoffs wins are still the most important thing in baseball. Wins may not tell you how well the pitcher is pitching but it can tell you how valuable they are to the team.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Mar 5, 2007 -> 01:24 PM) I'm not sure who's supposed to pitch today but since they played a B game this morning and this game is on the road I'm sure it will be a good amount of youngsters. I'm pretty sick today which means I'm just kind of laying around feeling sorry for myself, I'll give some updates as the game goes on. Now that I think about it this is probably the Brewers broadcast so anyone in the Chicago Land area that can pick up 620 AM on their radio should be able to listen to the Sox today. It's always fun listening to Bob Uecker. I love listening to Uecker. When I was in college we would go to Brewer games and bring signs that said. "Ueckers pukers we're not leavin til we're heavin!!!" He would say on the radio that the pukers were in the stands today. Those were the days, I think!!!!

The same reasonRobin Ventura went from 21 to 23 after his rookie year......the rookie year sucked.

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:39 PM) So you pick out individual moments? Who are you kidding? That makes absolutely no sense. I could pick out a more "situations" from other players who "blew" more games than BMac. It had to do with why they were negative with McCarthy not coddling him and always being positive What does this have to do with blame? Ozzie is being a dumbass, AGAIN, and I'm calling him on it. That's your right but I don't blame Ozzie for replying to McCarthy bashing Ozzie's team. Ozzie shouldn't defend his team I guess. ----------------------- McCarthy handles his Score interview with 100% class. After starting the whole mess by bashing the Sox, clubhouse and players.[ I don't hold it against Ozzie for defending his players/b] B-Mac People would rip Ozzie and Kenny for choosing the high road, for choosing not to air "dirty" laundry (although in this case, it seems the dirty laundry is coming from the manager's mouth)? Those people are idiots.

QUOTE(Texsox @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:37 PM) You mean that greedy, selfish, worthless, washed up guy? Don't forget the ever popular "he always wanted to be a Cardinal anyway."

QUOTE(CWSGuy406 @ Mar 2, 2007 -> 05:25 PM) This organization is a JOKE when players leave. Best player to ever don a White Sox uniform? Trash that asshole. Ironically enough, Guillen actaully didn't say a word there. The best young pitching prospect this team has drafted and developed since Mark Buehrle. Trash him. Why do they CONTINUALLY air the dirty laundry? "Brandon was a big part of our 2005 WS run, but we like the talent we're getting in return." Done. End of story. Guys ask about it? NO f***ING COMMENT. Then everyone will rip Ozzie or KW for not telling the truth or hiding everything from everybody. We want everyone to just tell the truth except when we don't like it.