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QUOTE(JimH @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 11:42 AM) Well I guess part of it is, there are really only a handful of guys who follow the prospects closely and as such, no one sees all the ink or positive comments on Valido. On the steroids thing, I think he got caught with an energy drink type supplement, I don't think this guy was sticking a needle in his rear end. But who knows. The question on Valido was always his bat, and it's one reason why he lasted until the 4th round. He is beginning to answer those questions and has managed to hit at a very promising rate in High A at age 20. I saw him play in Tucson and he is remarkably smooth for a 19 year old (at the time), plus he appeared to have excellent instincts. I didn't see him running the bases much but when he did, he knew what he was doing. To be frank, this is one guy I hope they don't trade because the Sox have been so bad about developing SS and this guy looks like he could have a good chance to make it. He is big and getting stronger and should be durable, he has the defensive skills and is developing at the plate. All very good signs. I agree with everything you said. Word on the grapevine is that he was using a supplement which caused the positive test. Good shortstops who can field and hit are hard to find. He should be as untouchable as anyone in the minors.

QUOTE(kyyle23 @ Jul 14, 2005 -> 07:57 AM) A game in which Parque left too early, if I recall. Parque's shoulder was also hurting. He pitched through pain, had off season surgery and was never heard from again. The 2000 playoff problem (other than all of the hitters hitting pop ups) was no healthy pitchers.

QUOTE(Kalapse @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 01:16 PM) Maroth is working SLLOOOOOOOOOOOOWWWWW. Maroth as in sloth

QUOTE(winodj @ Jun 30, 2005 -> 11:11 AM) Not quite give. We have to provide three churros and a beer to be named later. It's Milwaukee, don't you mean three Brats and a Blatz.

QUOTE(Balta1701 @ Jun 29, 2005 -> 10:12 AM) I'm a bit confused...how exactly does a catcher end up needing Tommy John surgery? That surgery becomes needed when the ligament at the bottom of an elbow snaps...almost always due to some sort of repetitive motion, which is why you see it so commonly in pitchers. ANd it usually takes a lot of stress to make that thing snap. Has Davis been working on his fastball in his spare time? The injury is caused from throwing. Catchers are particularly suceptible because of the quick release, short arming the throw. Pitchers get it from repetitive thowing especially if they drop to a 3/4 arm angle or lower. Either way it's when the humerus gets ahead of the forearm and creates a high velocity torque to pull them apart. Through various studies it has been shown that almost all throws create enough torque to tear the ligament. It is only through proper mechanics and musculature that it doesn't tear. Catchers with the short time to get rid of the ball usually use poor mechanics and the ligament loosens then can tear. The stress from a throw goes to the ulnar nerve which is under the ligament if the ligament is loose. So, every throw can feel like "hitting your funny bone." This problem is probably almost as common in catchers as pitchers percentage wise, its just that there are many more pitchers out there.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:02 PM) Flubs fans already use it as one. It usually smells like one

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 11:01 PM) 10th in runs scored is actually good considering their low team AVG and OBP. true, but the goal of the offense is to score runs. It doesn't matter how. We need to find some way to increase it. Of course we outscored the Twins the last few years and lost the division, maybe the run differential could show something.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:57 PM) http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/stats/sortab...05&sortByStat=R The Sox are ranked 10th in the MLB in runs scored with 360. This is cause for some concern. I think to win it all, which is the goal, we do need to pick that up a bit.

QUOTE(WHarris1 @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:52 PM) What's more important, AVG or runs scored? good point, where are we in runs scored another one may be run differential

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:51 PM) Delete? Yes

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:31 PM) Jeez, aren't you the manly man Not me!!!! That's why I'm not in pro sports (besides the no talent thing of course). I've just spent enough time in pro sports locker rooms dealing with these knuckleheads. For better or worse some of them just drove me nuts.

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:23 PM) And the point is? We're talkin within the season..What is the use of a player getting hit by a 95 MPH pitch 2 times a week or fouling a pitch off you shin 3 times a week, running into wall at 20 MPH and so on in May or June.. I guess when a player fouls a pitch off the shin this month he could say, we..at least I have 4 months off at the end of the year.. Yes, he should. Unless the bone is fractured, he should take the pain xylocaine injection to kill the pain take maybe a day off and get back out there. Short of major injury, a major league player doesn't need much time off. By the way the 4-6 month crack was only half serious.

At least Davis won't have to spend the rest of the season in the minors and the White Sox don't have to pay the rest of his salary All kidding aside, I wish him the best in the long rehab process and he picked argueably the best surgeon for it.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 10:05 PM) I read on another message board that someone said they saw Cubs fans pulling the bat off. Wow that is pathetic. It's just a statue of a very good player and a great human being who the jerk who took it probably never heard of. As I said, it's a sad state for some people in the world if this is what they consider fun. It must have been real early when they let the people in the park Sunday.

QUOTE(GASHWOUND @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:49 PM) Good article by A's closer Huston Street. Fans seem to think the players are part machine out there and when they look lethargic or maybe don't look so good they can't seem to fathom on how that player is feeling and jump all over that player. Why the heck wasn't he running out that ball??? Why the f*** does Hermy looks so flat??? and on and on. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/columns/stor...ston&id=2096414 True, but most people don't get a 4-6 month vacation at the end of the work year.

QUOTE(sox-r-us @ Jun 28, 2005 -> 09:58 PM) http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sp...-home-headlines The White Sox confirmed that the bat from the statue of Sox great Minnie Minoso was broken over the weekend at U.S. Cellular Field. :fthecubs I noticed the bat was gone about 1 1/2 hours before the game on Sunday. I'm not sure when it happened but it's sad statement on the state of some people in this world.

QUOTE(Cerbaho-WG @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 02:57 PM) Wait, Lee says he doesn't want to be back on Chicago because he's overshadowed by Frank, Paulie, etc? But he enjoys Milwaukee because he's looked up to? EGO alert, WAKE THE f*** UP NED YOST! Enjoy trying to hit 10 run homers, El Caballo, we don't miss you. i agree. This article makes CLee sound very selfess. I wasn't the man, I didn't get the RBI opportunities.....Maybe he complained to Ozzie about this and that's why Ozzie said he should be the one to go in a trade.

QUOTE(Jabroni @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 01:18 PM) If he picks up another starter, I honestly don't think it's going to be a stud. It's going to be a 5th starter-type guy like Lilly. I agree. KW likes the team and the minor league talent. He would trade for a 5th starter type that wouldn't cost much in minor league talent. The top four in the rotation should carry us and in the playoffs we would only use 4 at the maximum anyway.

QUOTE(Jimenez4MVP @ Jun 23, 2005 -> 12:20 PM) Yes but you like others do NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT I WAS SAYING.. Um duh, I know money matters.. but what I was talking about was what we got inreturn for Lee.. I was looking at it that way, NOT talking about the money, I was talking bout what we got in return.. understand? I'm sure that if we offered to pay some of the salary of Lee's we could have gotten a better package of players. The reason we got the lesser package of players is that they had to take the salary and the fact that he could just be a one year player if they don't re-sign him to a biiger deal. The risk was on the Brewers side as far as being able to retain the player otherwise the Brewers will see nothing from the trade next year whereas we will have Spod and Viz for at least a few years.

I'm going Sunday and have not met anyone from the board. I'm game if others are willing

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 20, 2005 -> 10:46 PM) Bull Durham quote: We gotta play 'em one day at a time. I'm just happy to be here and hope I can help the ballclub. I just wanta give it my best shot and, Good Lord willing, things'll work out. Let's keep it real & not get ahead of ourselves. I love the clche's and they are so true!

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 21, 2005 -> 10:42 AM) I've said it before & I will say it again. We did not get enough for what Carlos Lee was worth at the time. Milw was not the only team calling Kenny. There will several suitors for Lee. I don't think you realize how much you overpaid. You traded a guy coming off a career year who was clearly the MVP of a team for the NL's SB leader who was coming off a bad year at the plate & a average at best relief pitcher. The PTBNL was a joke. The Brewers had to be laughing their arses off as soon as KW consented to the deal. That had speed on the team to compensate for the loss of Pods. To them it was no big deal. Getting Lee was huge. The fact he is leading the NL in RBI is something they themselves couldn't have dreamed up. If it had to be Lee (I'm still not convinced of that) then we had better be getting 2 solid RP with Pods. In all trade talk starting from last July it was believed that a team had to be willing to give up a #2/#3 starter for Lee. If you're going to shift that focus to a SB leader then you better damn well be getting top of the line help in relief. 29 yr old RH Mike Wise 04 2.93 NPERA, .659 OOP 26 yr old RH Mike Adams 04 2.95 NPERA .666 OOP Luis Vizc 04 3.34 NPERA .724 OOP Pods+Wise+Adams for Lee is reasonable. The Bullpen could have been: Hermy, Wise, Politte, Cotts, Marte, Shingo You have the option of bringing Adams up when Shingo struggled. How many losses do we at the hands of poor pitching by Luis? At least 6. http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/players/gamelog?statsId=6291 All 1 run games & all games where Luis gave up 1 or more R. Mike Wise leads the NL in NPERA for relievers this year. Cost? $350K I don't want to hear that KW couldn't get these guys. C Lee 04 RPG 6.70, 103R, 99RBI, 310TB S Pods 04 RPG 4.34 85R, 39RBI, 233TB When it comes to trades the NUMBERS mean a whole LOT more than potential. When you make a trade you can only get what other teams are willing to give. You can think Lee is worth more but if the other team doesn't agree it's not going to happen. KW's priority was getting a leadoff hitter and decreasing salary to sign pitching. I'm sure that if another team had a leadoff hitter he wanted with better package he would have done it. There are other complicating factors, mostly Lee's salary. I'm sure the 8.5 million on a short term contract scared many other teams away. Another factor may have been Lee's attitude. If you believe Ozzie's, KW's and Buerhle's comments after the trade (assuming they all weren't just doing spin control) they wanted to get rid of him. It had nothing to do with hitting, everyone agrees his hitting stats were and are superior. But if the attitude leaked out, this also decreased his trade value. Overall KW accomplished his goal, got a leadoff hitter and a percieved good bullpen arm and decreased salaryto sign needed players. He probably could have absorbed some of Lee's salary and gotten a better package as you stated but I think KW wanted the money to sign the proven major league players.

QUOTE(qwerty @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 04:23 PM) Who is a free agent at the end of the year... Cotts is under contract for a long while and politte has an option next year which we will be picking up. Third base is not as big of a need as a bullpen arm contrary to what many believe. I mean i really hate cruddy but he is the least of our problems at this point in my opinion. Exactly, a good bullpen can take a team a long way. Especially if our starters continue to have trouble. Keep the relievers and add to them. This is how we WILL win

QUOTE(SoxFan1 @ Jun 15, 2005 -> 03:51 PM) Exactly.........how long can you expect a side-armer to be useful/reliable? Name 1 who pitched well for a long-time? Dan Quisenberry, Kent Tekulve, the guy who had the record for most games pitched at one time

QUOTE(JUGGERNAUT @ Jun 13, 2005 -> 04:16 PM) The most pressing need for this team is a sure-fire reliever & not a starter. Our starter's era is a 0.25 better than the Twins. Our reliever's era is nearly a full run worse than the Twins. Our pen has 3 guys having career years in Politte, Cotts, & Hermy. Will that last all season? Who knows. Nathan, Romero, & Crain instill more confidence for the Twins. The next 3 are struggling: Marte, Viz, & Shingo. Will they turn it around? Probably not all 3 of them. So we have at best a pen that is better than most but a far cry from the Twins. Guardado would be a nice addition. But if we could land two fine arms that would be best. Exactly, bullpen is a constant need. You can never have toom any good arms there. Good bullpens can determine the outcomes of seasons. Just ask the Braves all those regular season wins and bullpen implosions during the playoffs.